08 Aug 2014 00:32:31
So Bernie Ecclestone bribes a banker 44m dollars to ensure he stays in control of F1. He is caught and charged with bribery and then the court says bribe us 100m dollars and we'll let you go. Am I missing something here?
Ryan.
Money breeds corruption.
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09 Aug 2014 13:04:51
What were you expecting? Prison? The rich always get away with it. And the court/ judge can make the argument that its better to fine him a hundred million than put an old man in prison. Of course that depends where the money goes. If it ends up used to benefit people then it has been used for good. If it just gets squandered away on some rubbish then how disappointing. I'm not saying that it should always happen, but its not like he's murdered business rivals. I think certain crimes should carry hefty fines with the money going to something to benefit the people rather than just shoving people in prisons alongside people who have committed more violent crimes. Is prison really the best solution? Its more about retribution than rehabilitation. Of course some crimes are more serious and warrant being dealt with more seriously. But then I wouldn't waste time putting them in prison either. Sorry to go off the point.
Kim Philby
What were you expecting? Prison? The rich always get away with it. And the court/ judge can make the argument that its better to fine him a hundred million than put an old man in prison. Of course that depends where the money goes. If it ends up used to benefit people then it has been used for good. If it just gets squandered away on some rubbish then how disappointing. I'm not saying that it should always happen, but its not like he's murdered business rivals. I think certain crimes should carry hefty fines with the money going to something to benefit the people rather than just shoving people in prisons alongside people who have committed more violent crimes. Is prison really the best solution? Its more about retribution than rehabilitation. Of course some crimes are more serious and warrant being dealt with more seriously. But then I wouldn't waste time putting them in prison either. Sorry to go off the point.
Kim Philby
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Retribution doesn't help society.
Retribution helps the person themselves, by equating damage dealt to damage received. It could be likened to an external evaluation of ones karmic balance.
Would plucking a few hair of a hairy bear teach it a lesson? Do we as a society want people conditioned so as to be unable to commit a crime? Would it not be preferable to have people who are conscious enough of their actions so as to consider the whole before committing them?
Society is helped when people are encouraged to learn from their mistakes. Serial criminals (I've offended too many people to use the phrase "repeat offenders") should be removed from their routine and installed in a natural environment until they ground themselves to internal clarity.
zari
Retribution helps the person themselves, by equating damage dealt to damage received. It could be likened to an external evaluation of ones karmic balance.
Would plucking a few hair of a hairy bear teach it a lesson? Do we as a society want people conditioned so as to be unable to commit a crime? Would it not be preferable to have people who are conscious enough of their actions so as to consider the whole before committing them?
Society is helped when people are encouraged to learn from their mistakes. Serial criminals (I've offended too many people to use the phrase "repeat offenders") should be removed from their routine and installed in a natural environment until they ground themselves to internal clarity.
zari
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10 Aug 2014 15:56:19
Which was my point. The current judicial/ penal system doesn't work. Career criminals just go in and out, there's no effective rehabilitation to turn them in to effective contributors to society.
I question the point of putting some people into prison. I'm not advocating in anyway being soft on crimes but there has to be a better approach in certain classes of crime.
Kim Philby
Which was my point. The current judicial/ penal system doesn't work. Career criminals just go in and out, there's no effective rehabilitation to turn them in to effective contributors to society.
I question the point of putting some people into prison. I'm not advocating in anyway being soft on crimes but there has to be a better approach in certain classes of crime.
Kim Philby
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Agreed Kim. I used to think forced labor should be reintroduced for financial and legal fraud criminals but not anymore.
Currently, I believe that if they were moved to a remote facility in a forest somewhere, with no amenities, it would be better for the whole.
Something the media would label a survival camp.
With mandatory psychology (psychoanalysis), gardening and yoga classes.
zari
Currently, I believe that if they were moved to a remote facility in a forest somewhere, with no amenities, it would be better for the whole.
Something the media would label a survival camp.
With mandatory psychology (psychoanalysis), gardening and yoga classes.
zari
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