Talk Sense discussion

Raz , do you not think that most people if tracing back a bit can find they are a secound or third cousin to lots of famous names , i dont go along with the bloodline thing , its more rich people and royalitly marry into each others circle , at least thats what i think , i think theres bigger things to look into........lfc

The Illuminati are an indie rock band out of seattle

If you trace back far enough ALL Europeans come from the bloodline of Charlmagne, so bloodlines have nothing to do with it.

All fair points... my aim was to spark conversation. I too considered the same thing, that surely if we all descend from Egyptians then we are all somehow related. I just thought it was interesting. Maybe, if I am to advocate this further, which is fun, I would question the degrees of separation as being a factor. I.e. Madonna, someone in the media with the closest blood link possible to the people of power, also Celine, also Hanks? Compared with, say, Paris Hilton who may be, as an example, the 100th cousin, 5 times removed....

Ultimately this stuff doesn't change my life but it is certainly entertaining to think about it.

Raz

Let me tell you about the Illuminati:

The illuminati were the bankers to royalty and the popes, Mainly along French blood lines

Around the 15th Century the Illumanati went underground and disappeared as if they didn't exist.

The illumanati are no fools that how they became rich like the A team who hide out in the LA underground the Illumanati jig out in high class society places where you and I would never be

So what you goona do brother when the Illumanati run wild over you?

The hidden hand

Raz , have you looked into the freeman of the land stuff , and common law , its very interesting , as most people have no idea of laws and their rights...........lfc {Ed033's Note - Certainly it is very beneficial for anyone to look into contract law.}

No I haven't, cheers mate I will have a gander later.
Raz

Whilst typing my own thoughts and questions to the ealier posts on the Illuminati subject, my connection was lost a split second after hitting the send button and my post has been lost....conspiracy or what? :)

Paragon

Is the Illuminati a seperate entity like the Freemasons, Bilderberg, Skull & bones, Knights Of Malta etc or are they the umbrella that sits atop? Either way it is all about great knowledge, not bloodlines as someone pointed out earlier bloodlines can be diluted so much that even my best mates left ear could be related to wealth or royalty. You only need to look at some of the massive building projects undertaken by the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Mayans and so on that these were not primitive civilisations but civilisations in possession of great knowledge. That knowledge has now spread the world but is only known to a few for if we were all enlightened then no one would be more knowledgeable or powerfull than another...there would be no fun in that! To the "enightened" ones it is imperative that the masses stay psychologically repressed, what is it that we must not find out but they will go to great lengths to protect? They have the ability to select Presidents/Prime ministers, Governments, control banking, fuels, telecoms, commit atrocities beyond belief blame others, have patsies at the ready and start wars etc....what is it WE MUST NOT KNOW?

Paragon

That the ancients great secret was that the perfect omelette is made with 2 eggs and not 3.....

I'd say more like the Umbrella mate. The Freemasons do the building work for the Illuminati, and within the building's design, architecture, structure, architectural ratios (Google, The Golden Ratio) there are obvious and encoded messages that survive for as long as the structure does.
Skull and Bones is an emblem of a faction or generation that stood for reps of the Illuminati, but in a public domain e.g. presidents. They would have the emblem on the table cloth of old conferences, that sort of thing, they made ...ahem...bones of that fact either. Sorry couldn't resist!
They are Illuminati because they are enlightened - i.e. they believe or know Lucifer exists and the ANtichrist is coming. What they know within that, and what they practice at their occult meetings and rituals, is way more secret but there are theories. That is a knowledge they will claim over us 'sheeple' as someone/you called us. That we are being mind-controlled could be another part of that knowledge.

So the Iluminati is not necessarly separate but it is deffo larger than the other things, although after dinner I am going to google Knights of Malta and Bilderberg mate.

Raz

Wrong: the perfect omelette is the Vomelette.

Raz i was looking at something on bilderberg the other day.

To be honest i do doubt a lot of it, if they were so secret then how come so much has been uncovered?

And a secret society of devil worshippers plotting for how many centuries?

There's a lot i can;t quite take seriously although granted a lot of it is starting to add up.

have you seen the one on the street map of washington dc and how most of it was laid out in freemason symbology?

The illumanati are in breds

They marry within themselves so as to not dilute their wealth

Their bloodlines are not diluted so your mates ear is not in any way connected to the illumanati.

They mix only in the highest high of the echelons of sociiety I doubt your mate would be welcome there


They control big banks, the drug industry, insurance companies, are senior bond holders to all the countries in the world, they make Abramovich seem like a poor lowly peasant.

They are not stupid people mad yes stupid no.

The hidden hand

In response to the second above this: the Illuminati do not wish to keep themselves secret. They may be underground but that is a very different thing. They have occult meetings and rituals yes, but they as an organisation have been systematically dripfeeding society with elements of rituals for centuries. Some people misconstrue being secretive with being a secret organisation, which isn't quite right. Think about it like this: in order to create NWO you have to control the people, let them know you are there, create Zion, CREATE an disaster/world crises like never felt before, unleash it, then come riding in and rid the world of it, and elect the new world leader who shall rule from zion claiming to be the messiah (this is the antichrist). So it isn't in their interest to stay secret.
Raz {Ed033's Note - David Icke said a long time ago that what is going on is so bizarre that nobody will believe it.}

With reference to the post above in which they say "Think about it like this: in order to create NWO you have to control the people, let them know you are there, create Zion, CREATE an disaster/world crises like never felt before, unleash it, then come riding in and rid the world of it, and elect the new world leader who shall rule from zion claiming to be the messiah" is a perfect description to what David Icke defined as the totalitarian tiptoe.

Paragon

Marry within themselves to protect wealth i agree with, but they cannot procreate amongst themselves endlessly without weakening the gene pool and we all know what happens when this occurrs. So, it is theoretically possible that my mate may be of good enough stock to facilitate their longevity.

Paragon {Ed033's Note - They have offspring with their servant maids. They obviously can't in-breed too much but it's about blood lines not DNA. If you're within 1% of the special bloodline, you are considered special and get treated accordingly.}

The reason they wish to control the world is because of the in breeding as they have all become mad.

What Ed said. You won't get mums and sons anymore like you used to, but 9th cousins, 6th cousins once removed, that sort of thing, still within the acceptable bloodline...