18 Aug 2012 19:21:22 question for matt_rfc, frankyscouse any other re… · #1364

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18 Aug 2012 19:21:22
question for matt_rfc, frankyscouse any other regulars and the editors. What would you replace the monarchy with? I'm not a monarchist but i'm yet to see any real alternative. We tried a republic once. It failed. Maybe it was too early but i see the same outcome again. People are too conditioned to accept the status quo. The familiar is comfortable. The major danger i see to the royalists is a federal europe but as the euro crisis shows europe doesn't work. I can't see many people wanting to be just a region in the united states of europe. Also how would a republican britain work? Personally i couldn't stomach the thought of president and first lady blair. Same as i couldn't stomach president cameron either. I think the political elite have proved their untrustworthiness. But what amateur would we thrust greatness upon? {Ed001's Note - that is a damn good question, so far humanity has failed to come up with a working solution to leadership.}

 

Do we really need an alternative?i would imagine no royal family would make no difference to me other than not having to watch them flaunt their huge wealth on tv every week.time for change.
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Dictator lol {Ed001's Note - to be fair, a benign dictatorship is a good way to get things done and it does work. The problem is that power corrupts and a benign dictatorship very rarely stays benign.}
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The problem is that in principle most forms of government are great but the major flaw with them is men. We are greedy, corruptible etc. Look at Communism and Fascism supposedly two polar opposite on the political spectrum, but in our world they turn out to be the same thing. The problem is that the few good men get weeded out, read Profiles In Courage by JFK it shows you what happens to good men in politics.
Andrew
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Im not delluded, there will never be a change, but I will give you the best option I can think of - It would be better if the PM actually had power, right now he doesnt he is at the mercy of the queen and the bank of england. I think we should have to vote, but you could pick anyone, and I mean anyone so the PM would have actual power and would be chosen by the people, and it goes without saying that in this ideal world the voting system would be pure and honest. The govenment would issue its own money backed by genuine assets instead of borrowing it off you know who at a large proffit (youknow, like JFK was going to do before the federal res erm sorry I mean, a crazed gunman shot him). Theres a famous saying by Napolean it goes something like "When a government relies on banks for money the govenment is not in control of the situation for it is the hand that gives which is above the hand that receives" this is so true! And before anyone says its ridiculous and we'd end up with Beckham or someone daft as PM I will say this, they cant do a much worse job than those persons are doing now. Also something would have to be done about the press/propaganda. I know they have started with the phone haking arrests etc but I/we know that theres something going on here and its not going to change anything at the top end, the press is very powerfull and the people at the elite end in the press world are very powerfull I feel, that would have to change. I could go on and on but thats the rough outline of it, let the slating of me commence lol :) p.s also on a sub not, what about a salary/earning/wealth cap no one should be able to buy a football club with their loose change

Matt_RFC
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I don't think we are quite ready yet for a drastic change to the hierachy of society. British monarchy shifted towards presidential monarchy in the US under the notion of 'democracy' but it has been manipulated to favour the ruling classes. Soviet and Chinese communism created the 'politburo' monarchy (ie Zil lanes for the chosen few).
Only a fundamental change in humanity's mindset, values and understanding is capable of creating the necessary change.
Darwinists out there will realise it takes millenia.
Religionists pray it will come sooner. Ufologists think it will arrive on a spaceship.
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Tough question, i am not a royal lover myself, better the devil u know? or jimmy boyle lol
frankyscouse
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