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There are many people in the illuminati it is not a bunch of 10 people, illuminati members have ben estimated to measure 20,000 strong!

There are different levels within the illuminati


If you do a little bit of research, you may be suprised to see well known illuminati members, these people are extremely rich and powerful

That should give you a clue and point you in the direction of more questions than answers?

The hidden hand

Well I already think it's pretty crystal clear that it was Illuminati-related, I just want to hear what other people's thoughts are.
Raz

Hidden Hand I love how patronising your comment was haha, if you'd read any of my posts in the last 3 days it is pretty clear I have done an awful lot of research.
Raz

The Illuminati believe in the Anunnaki, no doubt. And have set themselves up accordingly to that belief.
Personally I do think that the Anunnaki theory is plausible, check some of it out. RAZ, you'll love at mate!
Check out Ian R Cranes - hidden agenda! He explains a lot about the Illuminati and their Anunnaki beliefs!

Ps! When the USA went to Iraq ( ancient Sumeria ) they destroyed ancient library's, clay tablets ( which spoke of the Anunnaki ) and ancient tombs ( places of worship to the Anunnaki )
Why?

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

Cheers Jay I'll check it out. I actually STILL haven't looked into Annunaki, although I did see something that said people who believe in the Illuminati agendas need to move on from it as they do Reptilian people, as it isn't really Illuminati-related after all. I will check it out though.
Will let you know what I think.
Raz

Hi Raz,

I am not being Patronizing, sorry if you think that Mate.

If I were to post what I know it would not be printed so I tried to guide you with a post that would be printed.

The hidden hand

Sorry Raz, I did not mean to be patronizing.

Hidden Hand, share your knowledge, if what you say gets pulled its tough but at least you tried.

Paragon {Ed007's Note - Get it posted mate and let Ed033 decide, and at least I will get it!}

Specific items were stolen from the National Museum of Iraq, ancient Sumerian artifacts that depict the Annunaki/Nephilim. Who has them now, and specifically, why?

Paragon

Princess Diana was becoming more popular than the establishment she was part of.

The highest high of british society has long been linked with the hand that guides the world.

Join the dots people and make of it what you will, this is the least controversial info I have I would not post anything else on such a public forum.

US, British Intelligence Blocked Diana Plan to Vacation in America Before Death

London Evening Standard | June 25 2004

The security services forced Princess Diana to abandon plans for a holiday in America weeks before she died, it is revealed today.

The block on her travel plans meant that instead she took a summer break with Mohamed Fayed. This ultimately led to her going to Paris with his son Dodi, where they died.

British or US intelligence had forced Diana to change her plans to stay with American billionaire Teddy Forstmann in the summer of 1997, saying it was too dangerous to take her sons there, it is claimed.

The revelation that the princess would probably still be alive today if the security services had not intervened is bound to raise fresh questions about Conspiracy theories.

The claims are made by author Andrew Morton in his new book, Diana: In Pursuit Of Love. Mohamed Fayed has always insisted that Diana and Dodi were murdered in a plot involving MI6 agents and US intelligence.

Morton writes: "Diana was looking forward to a week's holiday with the two young men who had never let her down and whom she loved unconditionally, William and Harry."

Morton, with whom the princess cooperated on his bestseller Diana: Her True Story, says she had accepted an invitation from " one- time American boyfriend" Mr Forstmann to stay with him at his house in the Hamptons. But as she was travelling with the princes, "she needed security clearance".

He writes: "In what turned out to be a tragic twist of fate, the security services - Forstmann's friends are not sure

whether it was the American or the British side - vetoed Diana's holiday plans. They had doubts about the security surrounding the billionaire's hideaways or perhaps a possible threat from elsewhere.

"Ironically the decision by the security services, perhaps more than any of their perceived plotting in Paris, was what led to Diana being in Paris on 31 August." Scotland Yard detectives carrying out a ?3million inquiry into Diana's death are planning to interview Morton over the new claims.

Morton also claims that Princess Diana leaked the Duchess of York's divorce plans in an attempt to stop bad press about herself.

He says Diana betrayed Fergie in February 1992 because she was anxious that a book by Lady Colin Campbell hinted she was to blame for the collapse of her marriage to Charles.

Morton suggested that the only thing to keep the princess off the front pages would be an even bigger story - and she "instantly provided the blockbuster story we required".

He added: "She had recently learned that Fergie had visited the Queen to talk about a separation from Prince Andrew. After much discussion the Queen had agreed that a separation was the best option."

Conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, were fuelled yesterday after it emerged that the car in which she was meant to have travelled failed to start.

Diana, 36, and her 42-year-old lover Dodi Al Fayed, instead entered a nearby Mercedes driven by the chauffeur Henri Paul before all three were killed after crashing in a Paris underpass. The driver was later revealed to be three times over the legal alcohol limit.

The last-minute switch in cars came to light with the release of official documents by the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act, which included correspondence between officials in the aftermath of the event.

It was in a memo sent to the Prime Minister a few hours after the Princess was killed on 31 August 1997 that it was first suggested that the car in which she had been expected to travel had broken down.

The document, whose author was not revealed, read: "The Princess and Dodi al Fayed arrived at the Paris Ritz yesterday afternoon. When they left the hotel late last night they were surrounded by a number of journalists. They tried to leave quickly but the first hire car failed to start. The second car then left the hotel at speed."

A second document released yesterday corroborated the claim of a broken down car. Signed "Jay", it was sent from Paris on the same day to Robin Cook, the Foreign Secretary, who was in Singapore. The British ambassador to France at the time was Sir Michael Jay.

Describing the couple's departure from the Ritz, it read: "Their getaway car failed to start, they got into another nearby car driven by a Ritz driver."

However, conflicting accounts appeared in a third document also released yesterday, which claimed that the couple had entered the car in a bid to avoid paparazzi photographers.

It was in a document sent by Sir Michael to the Foreign Office on 23 September that it was claimed that the couple had switched cars as part of a "last-minute change of plan aimed at diverting the paparazzi".

In the same document, it describes how Mohamed Al Fayed, the owner of Harrods and the father of Dodi, instructed a UK-based pathologist to challenge the results of tests showing high levels of alcohol in blood samples from the driver Henri Paul. As a result, a third test confirmed the alcohol level as well as revealing that Paul had been taking anti-depressants.

Amid the flurry of correspondence between Paris and London in the aftermath of the accident, concerns about the impact on the diplomatic relationships between the country were also raised.

One concern focused on the appointment of a senior police officer to liaise between UK coroners and French investigators amid fears it would raise the "risk of media suggestions" that "the UK had concerns about the French enquiry".

Sir Michael said he had been informed the French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin wanted to return from La Rochelle to pay his last respects to the Princess. He wrote that "paying last respects was not a strong British or Anglican tradition".

In the event, Chevenement and Jospin, as well as a series of other dignitaries, visited the Pitie Salpetriere hospital where Diana died.

Lol no worries mate I found it slightly amusing, all banter :-)
Raz

Hidden Hand, I feel much of what you have put is a recount of the events and the public /media thought behind what happened. Is that what you actually think happened? I don't.
I think every single detail in that could just as much be smokescreen as truth. Even to do with alcohol and the driver.... none of us will ever know, and if you run the organisations that run the media and all that other crap, and you know there is going to be a fatality you want covered up, then it is standard practice you have a system in place that allows for a cover up- including 'coincidences' - the car change, blocking holiday plans etc; the smokecreen - naff story about divorce and bad press etc; and then the post-mortem that gives way to the possibility that it was all a bad accident - alcohol in driver's blood.

How do any of us know that is true? There has always been huge suspicion surrounding her death and oddly enough there are 2 main reasons why nothing has been done about looking into it from a public perspective, and those are probably 1) that we loved her and love her sons too much to prolong the hardship, i.e. we let her RIP, and 2) because it was a cover up job and we wouldn't have got anywhere. IMO at least.
Have you watched The Arrivals mate?
Raz

Raz

Of course there is more to this story than what I previously posted above about Diana.

The above are "facts?" on what happened to Princess Diana and i think it lends credibility to a conspiracy theory.

I am trying to stay away from too much controversy otherwise my posts won't be published and I may get banned.

May be One of the Ed's could tell us in more detail what is acceptable?

I have had some posts not put on the site and I have had some posts truncated, I think the Ed's don't want to cause offence to anyone however conspiracy very often can be offensive?

I don't think the Ed's want this a hardcore conspiracy theory site and that's fine its their site!

The hidden hand {Ed001's Note - no point having a conspiracy site if people are afraid to post their theories. I was awake and listening to the radio when Di was in the accident, according to the live reporter at the time, she was taken out of the car chatting to the ambulance staff. That was the on the spot eyewitness saying that. Story changed completely later on though, that alone is enough to make me think there is something dodgy going on.}