05 Oct 2012 11:53:17
i watch a lot of the reality programs like ice road truckers/coal/gold rush etc etc and the amount of times new federal laws coming in like health and safety/documents they need to do this and that is ridiculousness,they are getting fined left right and center ,telling a coal prospector who has been digging for gold for 70 years boy to man that he needs to do this and that is a scandal,what made me laugh you get some government feller who is about 30 telling a expert about what he cant do and what he can do and billing him for the pleasure of the so called advice and some paperwork he now needs is a joke,they are squeezing the life out of hard working men who do put there lives on the line to make a few bob.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I wouldn't take it that any of these 'reality' TV shows have any real basis in reality mate. The programme maker will want to show the subject of the show in a certain light, in the ones you are talking about, it is a case of showing them to be striving against legislation etc. The problem is that without the health and safety legislation, big businesses would just have continued to put their workers into danger with no cares about their welfare. Yes, there are times it goes too far, but don't believe the nonsense in the shows, it is just to get you to identify with the characters in them.}
I get were your coming from edd tv show would not want to be associated for instance with a coal boss and a terrible accident happened which is down to a lack of safety precautions but i beg to differ this is like another way to tax these people, a bit like a legal mafia boss going in to a bar looking around and saying the bar needs the pipes cleaning and glasses washed and floors moped and dried before anyone gets in or it will be closed until we will bring a expert in to show you how to mop the floor, this expert will cost you 1 thousand pounds and the new documented papers you will need now will cost you 5 thousand pound each year from now on .
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I have worked in loads of different places and known plenty of bosses in others, never heard of anyone having to bring in an 'expert'. That's just rubbish, sorry.}
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I have worked in loads of different places and known plenty of bosses in others, never heard of anyone having to bring in an 'expert'. That's just rubbish, sorry.}
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So because its never happened to you its rubbish?and the term expert means its anything but a expert , its just a piece of paper saying your ok to go ahead for a fee to prove it.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - no, because it doesn't happen except on 'reality' TV. Go ask in any restaurant what happens if they fail health and safety tests. They get a written report of things to fix and a date to get them done by. If they aren't done the place is closed down. No 'experts' sent in, just straight closure until the issues are fixed. Those programmes are as much a pack of lies as any propaganda show.}
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - no, because it doesn't happen except on 'reality' TV. Go ask in any restaurant what happens if they fail health and safety tests. They get a written report of things to fix and a date to get them done by. If they aren't done the place is closed down. No 'experts' sent in, just straight closure until the issues are fixed. Those programmes are as much a pack of lies as any propaganda show.}
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I am not on about a run of the mill pub or restaurant my point is natural resources like gold/oil/coal are getting harder to run by families that have been doing it for generations because of the red tape and and bureaucracy.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I would think it was more because now they have to pay fair wages and treat workers like human beings instead of slaves.}
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I would think it was more because now they have to pay fair wages and treat workers like human beings instead of slaves.}
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It may have been the case 50 years ago but you cant judge these new regulations on fair pay and treating them like slaves as they only get paid if they hit the oil or find the gold, to me its another way to tax them.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - they are big landowners with a long term history of exploiting workers and you want us to have sympathy with them?}
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - they are big landowners with a long term history of exploiting workers and you want us to have sympathy with them?}
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Well just to add to what franky is saying have any of use heard about the new law for lorrys over 7.5ton? you now need an extra license to drive one for a business and have enough funds in the bank to operate i think its 3grand you also have to have everthing inspected once a year so my question is what is the point? as a small business owner with small margin in profit this has the potential to be devastating and for what? you already spend thousands getting an hgv licence and psv
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I am not sticking up for big landowners,the new legal documents and permits will not effect them anyway, i am on about guys who run small operations to try to make a living which is not guaranteed anyway and the only reason they are prob letting the cameras on site is for a bit of extra revenue ,do you honestly think a big landowner would allow a camera and crew rolling around there operations?i dont think so.lets just say we agree to disagree.
frankyscouse
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Don't know much about it but was'nt that the reason the lorry driver's were striking a few month's ago. There won't be many dricer's with all licenses so they'll want paying extra for having them anyway. Also Ed is spot-on regarding health & hygeine, I have alot of dealing-s with them over the years and they are quite a lenient bunch, even the deadline they give you can be abused a bit....er...so I've been told.
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Franky ya spot on again fella. I'm a truck driver and, like bus drivers, I have to do a driver CPC (Certificate of Proffesional Competance). This has been rolled out all across the EU. I paid a good few quid to earn my class 1 licence and these goons are basically making myself and other truck/bus drivers learn how to suck an egg. This is the biggest money spinner since religion. It's not a one off course either. It has to be done every 5 years and can cost upwards of £400 a throw and if you dont do it your hard earned and expensive licence gets suspended. Most companies pay for this but some don't. I only spend one day a year in a classroom and yea it's an easy day, but I would rather spend that day earning my wage as opposed to sitting bored shi*tless in a classroom. The EU government seem to have forgotten, without trucks you get nothing.
Aaron
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I can't see how someone can disagree with my comment. Would whoever disagreed care to elaborate why?
Aaron
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Aaron you always get muppets who disagree with anything anyone says . they tend to not reply in case it shows there lack of intelligence.
frankyscouse
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True that Franky. It's a shame that some people don't have the brains or the bottle for debate
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Was doing CPC last month and instructor was saying strong rumours that CPC would be stopped as other euro countries employers can't afford costs to implement.....course is a total waste of time/money, unions etc should have stopped this before employers/drivers lost money they could ill afford
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It shouldn't of started anyway. Its a massive slap in the chops for truck/bus drivers. The CPC course might get scrapped in other countries, not here tho. While we're all stupid enough to do it the government will certainly hold out their cap for us to fill.
Aaron
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