14 Oct 2012 21:59:28 Ok, to take my mind off the welfare of my cat. I… · #1554

Ok ed, I know it's been discussed probably plenty of times but how do you think we the human race got here or how do you think we have evolved from something if we hadnt originally arrived from some other planet?
I consider you a clever chap who's seen a lot of clips and discussions as well as some other people on this page.

Supasub {Ed001's Note - that is the big question, it is impossible to say with any certainty, but I will certainly give my opinion. For one, I don't believe the story of Adam and Eve is meant to be taken literally, it is clearly just a moral tale similar to Aesop's Fables. I certainly think the human race has been on the earth a lot longer than conventional history would have us believe. By the same token, I am not convinced that the theory of evolution explains our existence here. I do believe that recent research showing homo sapiens and neanderthal man interbreeding is to an extent an explanation of how we reached the stage we are at now. The question is whether we reached that initial stage with a bit of help, or whether we got there purely through nature. I think modern science, and its interference with the natural process, guides us towards the truth. My belief is that we were guided by more technologically advanced peoples, which is where the original stories of gods came from, into the form homo sapiens. It seems homo sapiens was an aggressive race and was probably the result of the more intelligent, technologically advanced race (which could well have been neanderthal who had a much larger brain capacity than our own) looking to create soldiers to fight its battles. Then some kind of holocaust (possibly nuclear or maybe just natural disasters such as the great flood that all ancient civilizations referred to) destroyed the technological base, leaving people to revert to hunting and gathering and early forms of farming. Obviously I could easily be wrong, there is no way of proving or disproving intelligent design or nature as humankind's creator, but it seems to fit the evidence much better than any other story.}

A family of cats got abducted by aliens to start a new world ;)

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Thanks ed, where would you put the Sumerians, Mayans, Egyptian pyramids etc amongst it. I know you have opinions on it. I will then have a couple more glasses of vino tinto with my wife before bedtime as she's now giving me the look that tells me I've spent maybe too much time on this page this evening and not giving her enough of my attention!

Supasub {Ed001's Note - personally I would put the Sumerians as the first of the new civilizations following the downfall or whatever you want to call it. The Mayans were another one following it, one that tried to replicate forgotten technology, I think. The Egyptian pyramids and the Sphinx I think belonged to an earlier time, prior to that. Certainly there is evidence that they are much older than we are told. You will have to tell me your theories on it all tomorrow then!}

Ok will try and get back to you tomorrow on my theory, but one last question. Do you think our origins have hard evidence or has been logged somehow and are known by Governments or other people in charge and kept from us?

Supasub {Ed001's Note - yes. There are always things being kept from us, from the amount of data the govt keeps on you from your activity on social networks, to what they know about pre-history. I unequivocally believe that there are factions out there working to hide the truth about our origins from us. There is a huge industry of people profiting from us not knowing, they would be silly not to be working to block the release of any info. For instance, if we knew the truth about Stonehenge, for instance, the likelihood is that the tourism industry built up around it would dry up over night. A huge part of the allure is the mystery.}

It's one of nic cage's worst films..
it started off well but after 30 min it got real boring..

We evolved over a long time,the biblical flood was the end of the ice age,we started to write,so history of some sort was able to be explained,jesus was a real person,who knows how you define god?its up to you!but if any of you think you have the inteligence to know it all your mad!my veiw on it is,put a tenner in a dogs mouth and tell him to go to the shop and get you a loaf and a packet of fags,he wont understand!just not got our intelect,how arrogant are we to think we are the top of the tree! have faith! bri67 {Ed001's Note - the only problem is that the Ice Age is a myth, as evidenced by Siberia having been a tropical paradise at the time of the 'Ice Age'. Personally I think Charles Hapgood's theory of the earth's outer layer slipping round and so melting the ice caps, makes more sense as an explanation for the great flood. That would also explain why the UK was under the ice, Antarctica was not and Siberia was tropical.}

Sorry for the stupid question Ed.... very interesting discussion here, but what is the 'real' story with Stonhenge?? {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, it's a mystery, that's the point. I am pretty sure it will have an explanation that is no doubt extremely mundane, they always are simple and normally nothing like as interesting as people hope. What I was trying to say is that Stonehenge has a whole industry built around the mystery, if anyone did solve it, would you not want that kept quiet? The same with the Egyptian pyramids, that is why they fight tooth and nail to keep discoveries quiet until they have been checked out properly. No reason other than to make sure that nothing which would solve the mystery gets out into the public domain. It is the mystery that makes money.}

Ah, I get you Ed... So if it turns out Joe Bloggs dropped them there in his mini-digger then its bye-bye to the millions of tourist's pounds! Fair enough

It would be nice to think that there is some deeply significant, creation-solving reason why these structures are present! But as you said, more likely is that there is a simple explanation

Macko

Ed this is one we've discussed a few times.

I agree with Hapgood, Einstein signed off on it so if it was good enough for Albert. They have spent the last 50 odd years trying to discredit Hapgood as well so must have something on it.

The thing with Hapgood is that ice ages were localised events. Basically the poles don't remain in a constant place and the crust tens to slip around every few thousand years or so. So the poles tend be in different places, currently the North pole is in Greenland but its been in Canada leading to the American ice age which created the Great lakes, and its been more over our way leading to the last "ice age" when the North sea was created and we became an island.

Somesort of cataclysm happened the whole "Atlantis" legend which pops up in almost every culture on earth. And the survivors legged to high ground to restart civilsation: Sumer, the Mayans etc etc.

Just look at Mayan myths and the previous ages of man, or all the funky "flying carpets" and weapons with "the light of 10,000 suns" in the Veda's, or the pillar of fire at Sodom and Gomorrah. There is too much evidence in plain sight that is ignored, that things have been once.

The bible isn't meant to be taken literally, its allegorical in most parts, its an instruction book like all the other early "religious" texts. Most of it being translated wrong at least 3 times doesn't help things.

Mort {Ed001's Note - his theory is the only one that makes any sense, all the others I have seen still go with the Ice Age myth and fail to take into account Siberia's tropical status during an Ice Age. I may not be a qualified scientist, but my understanding is that if Siberia was where it is now, the UK was where it is now, then Siberia would be colder. So I don't understand why anyone would believe in the Ice Age, it just makes no sense at all.}

Thats the thing, during these ice ages it was further south, now its shifted northwards. The ice ages happened, just that the crust was in a different place and the poles were elsewhere compared to now.

They do it in the film 2012. Not a great film, but worth a watch as its about the first time i've seen Hapgood in the mainstream.

Although for anyone interested check out Rand flem-Ath, a Canadian chap who wioth his wife have done a lot of work on this and how it ties into the Atlantis myth, some of the stuff will blow your mind. Its best getting the book, but maybe start with the website, if its still up.

Mort {Ed001's Note - I have read a bit of his stuff. I am sorry but I am not convinced an Ice Age happened, it was just that we are looking at what was the poles and saying it must have been an Ice Age because it was under ice. When in fact it was just in a different place, where the ice is normally.}

Internet connection tripped out last night, weird.

I was going to say that what i meant was that as the poles moved about every 50000 years or whatever it is then different areas got the cold weather associated with being at the pole, so in that case its localised bad weather conditons that are in effect an ice age, but its a misleading term as its only affecting the area at the pole which is natural not freak weather conditions.

Ice age is a bad term as it suggest freak weather patterns away from the poles when in fact the poles shifted but they don't want to admit that.

I hope that makes sense.

Mort {Ed001's Note - yes, that makes a lot of sense.}

Always get there in the end Ed. Its getting the brain around the idea. {Ed001's Note - I struggle to explain things myself, I find it really difficult.}

It takes a lot of factors for an ice age to begin. The next is due in around 60 thousand years. With siberia they can tell by taking soil samples from the perma frost which go back thousands of years. So guys before you start talking BS learn the facts !! {Ed001's Note - I am learning the facts, the facts are that Siberia was covered in tropical plants during the so-called Ice Age, that is fact. Tropical plants that would not have survived, yet they were there and flourishing. You are the one talking BS.}