Talk Sense discussion

They have also been responsible for Murder
Torture
Asset stripping a country of its natural resources
Oppression of mankind in large areas of the world
Slavery

Does the "good" outweigh the "bad"

I was hoping a feelow Red would have more sesnse!

Yes mate you are right , but you cant just throw away the good things that came out of it , sure make sure the bad things never happen again but its just the truth , if you just learn ,forgive and move on , in life we all have to.........lfc

Mate you need to develop some deeper thinking its not as easy as saying, learn, move on, etc.

I am not british, I hold no grudge against britain, so your comment is not for me but I can see how for others what you say is not that easy

You have to look at both sides

All i did was give the good and the very bad , if you read on down the page you will see that , i understand forgivness is a peronsal thing , and everyone is entilted to their own view/.........lfc

No mate you did not just give the good and bad points

read your own original post again

You told people how thay should behave
irrespective of anything else and while I agree with what you have said you are making a complicated situation trivial

For the outcome you have suggested wounds need to be closed

Yes maybe your right mate , everyone needs to come to their own peace at their own time , i admit sometimes i try to give a answer too quickly , peace to everyone..........lfc

Dont forgat if it wasnt for the English the Irish Famine would'nt have happened !

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - I really feel they should rename it myself, after all there wasn't a famine as such, there was plenty for the Irish themselves, but it was taken off them.}

For a person who claims irish ancestory you sure know veery little there was a famine

The yield from the potato crop was way down due to potato blight and this was the main problem that sparked the famine
and wiped out half the population through death or emmigration {Ed001's Note - no, there was enough food for the population of Ireland, there just wasn't enough to export too. But the English took the crops to feed themselves anyway and left the Irish to starve. It is not me in need of checking my history.}

If the potato crop had not failed it would have been largely irrelevant what the british took as they took crops in previous years

Still think you are right? {Ed001's Note - There was no famine, there was enough potatoes grown to feed the people of Ireland. But the English took those potatoes to feed themselves. The people of Ireland were starving anyway, because the English took too much from them. A lower crop yield just meant that they were no long subsistence farming, they were dying of starvation while the English lived like kings.}

The bitish took from the fields each year what made 1847 or black 47 different was that potatos the staple of the irish diet was wiped out by potato disease

So a lower crop yield meant nothing then?

What planet are you from Mate are you an alien?

Ed.001 is spot on. A critical evaluation of the famine here in Ireland is often clouded by sentiment as opposed to reason. Much of Europe was ravaged by blight in 1840s. However, in Ireland the potato was a staple diet for up to a third of the population. Other crops were taken by landlords and english leaving the poor of Ireland to starve or leave.

Ed001 said there was no famine, you have said there was, so how is he spot on about the famine if one never existed?

Now go back and read your own post mate it makes no sense! the point you are trying to make is lost?

The fact that much of Europe was subject to potato blight in the 1840's means what exactly?

The worst year of the potato blight in ireland was in 1847

And practically the 8M or 9m that existed in ireland at that time were dependent on the potato to survive, most meals revolved around the potato.

Have a rethink Mate and get a primary school history book? {Ed001's Note - I never said any such thing, your lack of comprehension is astounding. I said that the Irish had enough to feed themselves, but the food was taken off them. Obviously you are so busy trying to be a smart alec that you are not engaging your brain before you type.}

Dont forgat if it wasnt for the English the Irish Famine would'nt have happened !
Taken from an above post

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - I really feel they should rename it myself, after all there wasn't a famine as such, there was plenty for the Irish themselves, but it was taken off them.}

there wasn't a famine as such - Ed001


Still think you said there was no famine Ed001? {Ed001's Note - trying so hard to be a smart alec you are still missing the point. Like I said, there was no famine as such, perhaps your lack of comprehension of the English language is so poor that you missed the 'as such' bit. There was enough food for the Irish but it was taken off them. Now please grow up, stop trying to act clever and pick holes in what is said. You have no reply to the point, just a pathetic little insistence in refusing to accept what anyone else has said.}

From a post above

Still think you are right? {Ed001's Note - There was no famine, there was enough potatoes grown to feed the people of Ireland. But the English took those potatoes to feed themselves. The people of Ireland were starving anyway, because the English took too much from them. A lower crop yield just meant that they were no long subsistence farming, they were dying of starvation while the English lived like kings.}

First you say Ed001 the irish were strarving anyway then you say they had enough to feed themselves which is it?

Read your own replies Man, your logic is all over the place, I am not one of the idiots, I fully understand what yu say and I am not trying to be a smart alec of any kind just pointing out your wrong Mate and as uaul you cannot see it? {Ed001's Note - you are really sad you know. You don't even have the intelligence to understand a basic sentence or to comprehend a meaning. There was enough food grown in Ireland to feed the Irish and more. The Irish were an enslaved race and their English masters took the bulk of the food off them, but most of the time that left enough for them to survive, just. During the so-called potato famine, crops all over Europe were hit hard so the English took extra from Ireland to make up for it, leading to mass starvation for the indigenous population that were denied access to the food they had grown. What is so difficult to understand? My 10 year old daughter understands it.}

What made it worse was the corn laws. what happened in Ireland was a major factor in getting the corn laws repealed. as usual in this country it takes a tragedy beofre common sense kicks.

Yes as an Empire we did many bad things. But we did end slavery. Look at what the Spanish did in the America's nobody ever slates them.

Irelands population grew from 4-8 million between 1780 & 1845, land plots were made smaller so the crop which could keep the people fed was potato, by 1840 one third of the population was reliant. 1845 the blight arrived by cargo boats, wiping out one third of the crop that year, followed by 2 years of losing three quaters of the crop. Starvation and an increased suceptibility to diseases such as cholera, dysentry & typhus wiped out more than a million people, with another million emigrating. As a foot note Irelands population was back down to 4 million by 1911