29 Oct 2011 06:35:19 I keep picking up hints here and there that we m… · #384

There do seem to be alot more calls for it to come back compared to 10-15-20 years or so ago.

But then i am in favour of the restoration of the detah penalty for murderer's and child molesters. {Ed001's Note - there are two problems I see with it. 1. what happens if you penalise an innocent person? You can't bring them back or let them go with an apology. 2. What makes you any better than a murderer if you have someone executed in cold blood? And make no mistake about it, that is exactly what you are doing when you have the death penalty.
It is a tough one. But considering there is no proof that the death penalty actually stops people from committing crimes, I don't see the point in it. I would prefer to see criminals suffering for the rest of a long and painful life, execution seems a quick and easy way out.}

I do see what you are saying ed, but look at the advances in forensic science just in the last 10 years never mind from the 60's.

I think if you take someone's life then you should expect to lose your own.

Is it really in cold blood? From the point of view of the victims families i wouldn't say it was cold blooded.

Its all very well saying they should suffer in prison but the reality is that they don't. To your career criminal its just an occupational hazard, a minor difficulty that they can survive till they get back out and just carry on on the rob. I'd rip out all the nice multi fitted gyms, tv's, etc etc. Have them all on bread and water 3 times a day and 23 hours locked up. We've tried to understand the criminal mind and rehabilitate them and its failed.

And i do still think that if you've got someone bang to rights 100% on murder then thats it. {Ed001's Note - it is still revenge not justice though. I do agree though, jails are far too comfy and cosy, they should be there to suffer.}

An eye for an eye.

Two points;
If there is a death penalty in place and somebody unintentionally kills someone, say during a burglary, there is a far greater likelihood that they will then kill again in their bid to avoid being caught!
Secondly, in US States that have the death penalty, the rate at which associated crimes are committed is no less than in neighbouring States that do not. There is no evidence therefore of any deterrent effect!

Reginald {Ed033's Note - The whole point of them being soft on criminals is for people to say that the government should be harder on criminals. When enough people are telling the government to be harder on criminals, the people in the "City Of London" can tell the government to start "zero tolerance" which will mean unless you do and think exactly what you are told by the European Union or the government, you are criminal. And if people complain, you will be told that you asked to be harder on criminals.

At the moment, if you don't pay certain debts, it is considered criminal and if you can't pay, you go to prison. And don't forget that this economic debt crisis is being deliberately created so the ruling class own everything and the people will be in so much debt to the ruling class that the people will have to do exactly what they are told, which is what the "New World Order" is allegedly all about.}

Couldn't agree with the ed more, it's similar to what the Americans did using 9/11 to pass a lot of 'anti-terrorism' laws that simply breach human rights. The problem is though to many people don't see what the effects will be if they get what they ask for.
Mind speaking of human right, i have noticed the politicians are growing increasingly worried about the protester, the snide remarks and belittling of those people taking a stand for what is essentially right shows how this country is in no way shape or form a democracy. What comes next though is the send people in undercover acting as protesters to whip up a frenzy turning a peaceful demonstration in to a riot, which then allows the police to use the force they signed up for.

always a red

It costs around £44000 a year of taxpayers money to keep a murderers and child abusers in prison, a lethal injection costs around £100....please do the maths, you could kill 440 people for this thus freeing prison space up for Rioters and petty criminals whose sentences should be fitting of their crime {Ed001's Note - personally I would suggest making prisoners earn their keep, so they get hard labour and it costs us less.}

The reason you've heard more calls for the death penalty is simple. we have a tory government .
JR