18 Nov 2011 11:06:06
Why are we all surprised when our elected leaders turn out to be self serving, liein' two faced back stabbing Bas****ds? Surly to be capable of climbing the greasy pole that is politics in today's world they are exactly the skills you would need to rise to the top.
Call me naive but I was told in school that democracy was about being able to vote in a member of Parliament who would represent the collective views of his supporters. Now it seems that the orders come from the top down and not the bottom up, so to speak. As to who give our leaders their instructions is open to debate, as these pages are a testament. "The meek ain't gunna inherit she@" as a wise man once said.
I.V Lennin
I actually thought that when we voiced our opinion about the political frailities in our country that the politicians were having a vote on a new system. Suilly me. It was turned around by the politians to a vote a system on how we voted instead of an abolition of the party political clap trap that we all have to endure and all the party political nonsense that drags our country down. I'm not usually so dim but heyho, we all have bad days. Chugs
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
But how can you get rid of political parties? Sorry if i have misread that butt hats the impression i got when you meant the party political claptrap.
Also i assume that you mean the recent vote on that AV system. Well i for one voted against and am glad that it lost. It was desogned only to benefit the Lib Dems who knew they would pick up millions of 2nd votes and would have meant that they would have always had the power over whoever formed a govt. We would have had this coalition mess after every election. We would have ended up in as a bad a mess as Italy. 40 changes since 1946. Coalitions always provide weak govt. {Ed001's Note - parties do need to be abolished. Our MP is meant to represent the people of his/her constituency, but they are not doing that but instead representing their party. If ever they do decide to do the job they were elected to, whips come out and put a stop to it.}
Also i assume that you mean the recent vote on that AV system. Well i for one voted against and am glad that it lost. It was desogned only to benefit the Lib Dems who knew they would pick up millions of 2nd votes and would have meant that they would have always had the power over whoever formed a govt. We would have had this coalition mess after every election. We would have ended up in as a bad a mess as Italy. 40 changes since 1946. Coalitions always provide weak govt. {Ed001's Note - parties do need to be abolished. Our MP is meant to represent the people of his/her constituency, but they are not doing that but instead representing their party. If ever they do decide to do the job they were elected to, whips come out and put a stop to it.}
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
But then ed surely thats more the system that needs changing and not the parties. Abolish whips, install an electronic voting system that just counts the votes and not who voted so they have a degree of anonymity and can vote with their conscience or in line with what their constituents have said.
If you abolish the parties then you lose the choice of candidate. How would you choose candidates with no party system? How could you even form a govt with out parties? You;d just have 600 odd independents trying to form a govt, who would be in charge?
Or do you favour Parliament becoming just a legislative body more liek the American House of Representitives? But then you'd need a body similar to the Senate, and you'd have the same problems of electing it. Would you have power in the hands of an executive like the President, but how do you choose him? Just have anyone who cna afford it throw their name in at an elcetion time and have them battle it out on the issues, no party lines? Would you like to see someone like Blair in a fight against a Murdoch backed figure?
Sorry if i've waffled on but their are a lot of permutations. {Ed001's Note - I didn't say I had all the answers, but the current system is certainly not a good one and it needs to be upgraded and improved.}
If you abolish the parties then you lose the choice of candidate. How would you choose candidates with no party system? How could you even form a govt with out parties? You;d just have 600 odd independents trying to form a govt, who would be in charge?
Or do you favour Parliament becoming just a legislative body more liek the American House of Representitives? But then you'd need a body similar to the Senate, and you'd have the same problems of electing it. Would you have power in the hands of an executive like the President, but how do you choose him? Just have anyone who cna afford it throw their name in at an elcetion time and have them battle it out on the issues, no party lines? Would you like to see someone like Blair in a fight against a Murdoch backed figure?
Sorry if i've waffled on but their are a lot of permutations. {Ed001's Note - I didn't say I had all the answers, but the current system is certainly not a good one and it needs to be upgraded and improved.}
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
No Ed its not perfect but before changing it, change needs to be carefully considered lest we make things worse.
I'm not sure i could stomach President Blair and First Lady Cherie. God i've got chills thinking about it.
I think it needs to be in small steps. Getting rid of the whips and a more free voting system in Parliament would be a good first step.
{Ed033's Note - A good first step is to start moving towards mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - www.perfecteconomy.com/wp/
I'm not sure i could stomach President Blair and First Lady Cherie. God i've got chills thinking about it.
I think it needs to be in small steps. Getting rid of the whips and a more free voting system in Parliament would be a good first step.
{Ed033's Note - A good first step is to start moving towards mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - www.perfecteconomy.com/wp/
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
Yes Ed that would be a good step, but i wouldn't trust the current politicians or the current system to implement it. i think that the politics needs to be changed first in order to drive the economic and societal changes needed.
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
My point re an end to party politics was really a cry, maybe, for GB to become GBPLC with the best people in the highest positions competing for our country against the rest of the world instead of the in fighting we have against each other in the name of party politics. Just a thought, nothing more.
{Ed033's Note - Very valiant of you but the United Kingdom is probably still trading as a corporation but under a different name - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/formation_and_disbandment_of_the
{Ed033's Note - Very valiant of you but the United Kingdom is probably still trading as a corporation but under a different name - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/formation_and_disbandment_of_the
Agree · 0 · Disagree · 0
Once upon a time in a land far away we had political parties that were actually different from one an other. That represented widespread views. Then came the rush for the centre ground,they were all a little right or left of center and now it's hard to tell the difference. So why is it that the younger generation are so disconected and is it a suprise that they don't bother to vote. No so hard to figure out is it? Bring the EU into the picture and now you have what they call the "Political Class" I find that scary. It's not democracy when you don't have a choice. Time to take it back is what I say or as Ghandi said get them with the numbers!
I.V Lenin
I.V Lenin
Agree · 3 · Disagree · 0