09 Dec 2015 01:41:18 {Ed033's Note - David Icke - You Are Watching A… · #5167

09 Dec 2015 23:11:20
Absolutely brilliant vid. Thanks so much Ed033. I hope all the regulars on this site watch it. And thank you David Icke.

10 Dec 2015 03:46:44
The damage has already been done, the nutter tag will stick as long as MSM want it to remain. Corbyn is now going through a full blown campaign by MSM owners to discredit him.

10 Dec 2015 16:32:48
Thats a powerful video Ed, thanks for that. Unfortunately I think TTTS is right, mud sticks.

10 Dec 2015 21:27:54
i disagree guys, if mud sticks they would have him on MSM a lot more often, the last time he was on a major network, itv they tried to to discredit him about what ever money he earns but he cooly suggested he would swap bank accounts with the presenter (phillip schofield) the fact is they are scared to have him on as they know he has a huge following now and he can back up any ridicule with his books.

10 Dec 2015 22:52:04
in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen a big surge and I think it will keep growing. the fact they are trying to censor free speech/information on social network sites shows they are trying to nip this in the bud. my belief is the next generation will be more enlightened than any generation we have ever had.

11 Dec 2015 01:20:13
I think Icke is a lot more fact based and calculated in what he says now so the MSM will not give him any air time, they will always use the old Lizards stuff. Which BTW might not be as outlandish as some think. just the human race in general is not ready to accept the presence of another non human intelligent species amongst us yet.

11 Dec 2015 11:12:34
Icke is very smart but unfortunately made some remarks at a time when people were not ready to hear them so that tends to be the thing everyone remembers.

Corbyn has some good ideas. Unfortunately he has failed to adapt over time and his views are somewhat stuck in the early 80s. Its very easy for these to be used as a stick to beat him with. Aldo there are other things as well but I won't do the medias job for them.

I dispute he has a large following. He has a large following amongst labour activists but not in the labour party or the country as whole and the forthcoming civil war in the party will be very damaging.

Personally I give him small odds of fighting the general election.

11 Dec 2015 14:17:52
neither has the tory have a large following, around 23% of the nation were only 40% actually voted in the last election, he's policies will only make him more popular with the general public which I have mentioned many times before, and once the death images of soldiers/cilivians are broadcasted (notice the media have gone very quiet since we have started bombing? )

anyone who voted yes to this war will have this hung around their neck forever, I am more confident than ever he will be around for the general election, unless he has a accident?

11 Dec 2015 15:01:28
Franky those that voted for him in the labour leadership election equates to 1% of the population.

I think voter apathy will continue. Voter apathy tends to affect the left more than the right and a hard left leader won't appeal to the majority of the population. Milliband was left of centre and got nowhere. A hard left leader will have even less appeal.

Look at some of the quotes from ordinary people in the recent Oldham by election. They voted labour despite corbyn mainly because they always vote labour and the alternative was ukip.

Every poll conducted has corbyn doing badly. Apart from internal labour ones which have only been sent to certain members. I. e. The core corbyn activists.

He's unpopular with parliamentary party. Which no matter what anyone says are the labour representatives to the people. Not the yobbos who go around abusing people like they did with Stella creasey.

Franky I do like you but on this issue you are letting your emotions rule your head. Trust me, I spent most of my career doing political analysis of Britain for amongst others the soviet government and others. Corbyn has limited appeal to most of the electorate. He has 4 and a half years to get the message across. But if the polls slump his enemies will make a move. His intransigent attitudes though will make things difficult.

11 Dec 2015 16:07:53
the only thing I agree with you is the PLP are against or should I say the blairites are against him, the othe other stuff are media spin, hardcore yobbos included in a peaceful protest outside Creasey office, was he lying?

kim is this was a moderate tory group I would say it was unlikely but this present mob are not, even they had to do a uturn on working people who voted for them on the tax credits, trust things are going to get a hell of a lot worse with this mob and to boot george osbourne as the next leader? even the uk people are not that thick.

11 Dec 2015 16:34:00
sorry I meant to type that part of that mob outside creasy office was a hardcore vicar who was against the war, he wrote that he was shocked to find out that the media portrayed it as a mob, he said it was totally peaceful, who do I believe? erm what do you think?

11 Dec 2015 17:08:02
Id go on speaking to a member of creasys team who said some of the stuff that was going on was vile.

If corbyb has an issue with any of his mps then he can deselect them and put up his own people as candidates.

As he himself has said labour is a broad church. But many on the left of the party do not share that view and I think some of the stuff thrown at the Blairites just for being blairites is embarrassing. And the public perception is far worse. And public perception is what matters. Will most of the British people vote for corbyn?

In my experience, and that includes 35 years professional experience of British political analysis, I do not think so.

There are many reasons people come to Britain. Not just benefits or the free health service. But because there is a standard of living that is very good. Around the world the British people ate regarded as fair minded and liberal. But liberal doesn't equate to hard left. Given a choice between a hard left labour party or a tory party masquerading as a centre right party most British people will vote for the tories. We saw this in the 80s. We saw this only 7 months when milliband as a centre left leader lost.

The British people have never had an appetite for the hard left or the hard right.

11 Dec 2015 17:45:29
with all due respect Kim is part
of Creasy team go against her boss?
and while I am at it, this media spin goes both ways,
we have had the tory MP Lucy Allen who faked her own abuse email by adding words at the end of it, nothing in the MSM media about it, nothing, so what does that tell you about the media?
I totally agree he should deselect certain MPs who let's just say have more tory dna than most. but lab is a mixture (broadchurch ) and has to be.

as for the general voter we could go back and forth about the next few years, I don't doubt what you are saying about the past but I can see a type of awakening hence the all out attack by everyone who are afraid .

11 Dec 2015 21:06:16
Plenty of male labour mps reported no harassment only female labour mps.

Harassment and attempted intimidation of an elected official is not what you would expert in Britain.

I didn't say he should deselect mps. I said its an option. But pushing the party further to the left would be a mistake.

11 Dec 2015 22:01:10
hes not asking everyone to agree with everything he stands for, but when you get certain MPs from his own party who snipe at him to right wing media outlets then something has to be done, same analogy could be made to a footballer who questions the managers decisions at every opportunity to the press, the only thing you can do is sub him and tell him to get his head down or get rid.

12 Dec 2015 17:49:52
Corbyn voted against his leaders 500 times from the back benches and leaked stories to the left wing press. He can't complain when others do the same.

13 Dec 2015 00:00:18
left wing press? erm tell me what left wing press?
if you think we have a truly left wing media then I must have missed it.

14 Dec 2015 11:19:30
When he was leaking things to mirror group years ago. They are the only pro labour media group still around.