22 Feb 2020 13:32:04
Rockets cannot work in the vacuum of Outer Space because there is nothing there to push against:
22 Feb 2020 17:45:10
According to this experiment, they do. Rockets in a Vacuum Chamber - Newton\'s third law of motion Visualized
According to this experiment, they do. Rockets in a Vacuum Chamber - Newton\'s third law of motion Visualized
{Ed033\'s Note - Hi Southern Monkey, when he says vacuum, he doesn\'t mean Outer Space vacuum, which is allegedly something like 1x10 to minus 13 Torr. On the Moon the alleged vacuum is 1x10 to minus 11 Torr.
On Earth there are a couple of medium vacuum chambers at 1 x 10 to minus 6 Torr and there is only 1 vacuum chamber that is at 1 x 10 to minus 8 Torr and that is as far as they can go with current technology.
Earth\'s atmosphere is around 740 Torr apparently from memory.
This guy is removing a few particles with his vacuum pump, so there is still loads of particles in there to push off.
But remember there may not be an actual outer space if the Firmament is real and is the reason for them not being able to go beyond \'low Earth orbit\'.
On Earth there are a couple of medium vacuum chambers at 1 x 10 to minus 6 Torr and there is only 1 vacuum chamber that is at 1 x 10 to minus 8 Torr and that is as far as they can go with current technology.
Earth\'s atmosphere is around 740 Torr apparently from memory.
This guy is removing a few particles with his vacuum pump, so there is still loads of particles in there to push off.
But remember there may not be an actual outer space if the Firmament is real and is the reason for them not being able to go beyond \'low Earth orbit\'.
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22 Feb 2020 20:21:42
Can you imagine sending astronauts to the Moon with an alleged 1x10 to minus 11 Torr and not even being able to test whether they can handle being in a 1x10 to minus 11 Torr vacuum?
Apparently only 1 guy in a space suit has ever been in a 1x10 to minus 6 Torr vacuum chamber and he was in there for 2 seconds before passing out and they had to get him out. He said that just before passing out, he could feel the moisture on his tongue boiling.
Can you imagine sending astronauts to the Moon with an alleged 1x10 to minus 11 Torr and not even being able to test whether they can handle being in a 1x10 to minus 11 Torr vacuum?
Apparently only 1 guy in a space suit has ever been in a 1x10 to minus 6 Torr vacuum chamber and he was in there for 2 seconds before passing out and they had to get him out. He said that just before passing out, he could feel the moisture on his tongue boiling.
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22 Feb 2020 21:01:32
If space is a near perfect vacuum like they tell us.
Rockets would have nothing to thrust against.
That\'s if were understanding a vacuum correct.
But for these test to be correct the vacuum has to be same as space.
The area and vehicle would have to be sized to that of the real environment and thrust.
Or your actually testing something other than operating a rocket in space.
If space is a near perfect vacuum like they tell us.
Rockets would have nothing to thrust against.
That\'s if were understanding a vacuum correct.
But for these test to be correct the vacuum has to be same as space.
The area and vehicle would have to be sized to that of the real environment and thrust.
Or your actually testing something other than operating a rocket in space.
{Ed033\'s Note - Yes, this is not how a rocket would operate in the alleged vacuum of alleged outer space. In addition he\'s not opearating this rocket at the alleged extreme temperatures of alleged outer space.
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22 Feb 2020 21:14:18
Jim Le Blanc was the astronaut in the vacuum chamber, but it was apparently an airline that had come loose on his suit which caused him to depressurise. That\'s what we are told anyway.
I don\'t know about the rockets not working in a vacuum. The way I am visualising it, is the force of the rocket has to push out of the rocket to escape, therefore there is no external pushing forces needed. the escaping rocket flame is just the burning fuel escaping after it has \'pushed\' itself out of the rocket.
I maybe totally wrong. But if say it was an motorised fan which was used as the propeller, and does need an external pushing force, then I would agree it would not work in space.
Jim Le Blanc was the astronaut in the vacuum chamber, but it was apparently an airline that had come loose on his suit which caused him to depressurise. That\'s what we are told anyway.
I don\'t know about the rockets not working in a vacuum. The way I am visualising it, is the force of the rocket has to push out of the rocket to escape, therefore there is no external pushing forces needed. the escaping rocket flame is just the burning fuel escaping after it has \'pushed\' itself out of the rocket.
I maybe totally wrong. But if say it was an motorised fan which was used as the propeller, and does need an external pushing force, then I would agree it would not work in space.
{Ed033\'s Note - But if something was loose on his suit, why not try with another suit?
To me, they know that the space suits can\'t handle even a medium vacuum, that\'s why no one else has ever gone into a medium vacuum chamber.
Remember the LEM allegedly leaving the Moon, it just floated upwards.
To me, they know that the space suits can\'t handle even a medium vacuum, that\'s why no one else has ever gone into a medium vacuum chamber.
Remember the LEM allegedly leaving the Moon, it just floated upwards.
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22 Feb 2020 21:57:43
They have allegedly tested the Apollo in a vacuum chamber. I believe the same chamber Le Blanc was in.
I am not saying there isn\'t fakery, Ed. You know I don\'t believe we have been to the Moon.
They have allegedly tested the Apollo in a vacuum chamber. I believe the same chamber Le Blanc was in.
I am not saying there isn\'t fakery, Ed. You know I don\'t believe we have been to the Moon.
{Ed033\'s Note - ok thanks.
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22 Feb 2020 22:02:28
You are probably right in saying space suits can not handle being in a vacuum.
The BBC faked a vacuum experiment with James May, I don\'t know if you have seen this.
This is a clip from the BBC. There are 2 people inside the vacuum chamber with James May and they only have overalls and oxygen masks on. Everything else is exposed to the vacuum.
What was it that happens to exposed parts of the body in a vacuum?
Pure fakery, mate.
You are probably right in saying space suits can not handle being in a vacuum.
The BBC faked a vacuum experiment with James May, I don\'t know if you have seen this.
This is a clip from the BBC. There are 2 people inside the vacuum chamber with James May and they only have overalls and oxygen masks on. Everything else is exposed to the vacuum.
What was it that happens to exposed parts of the body in a vacuum?
Pure fakery, mate.
{Ed033\'s Note - No haven\'t seen it thanks.
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22 Feb 2020 22:25:03
Hi Ed just used the link from the Everton banter page didn’t know any of this stuff was here. To the point in hand, firstly I know nothing about space or vacuums or what Torr is yet there a few things that immediately spring to mind .
A. If there is nothing for rockets to push against to move through space how and why do planets orbit the the stars/ suns surely in a such a vacuum nothing would move yet orbits occur and and as a result of said movement there must be a disturbance of the vacuum thus causing a path within the vacuum. The word vacuum itself implies an absence of anything, yet within space there is stuff such as meteors, comets, Satelite’s, space junk etc,
B, each body within the galaxy has a magnetic/ gravitational pull / field and while not visible with the eye are proven to exist therefore with space flight the lunar missions use the gravitational pull of earth and the Moon and their orbits of the earth and moon to achieve breakaway and landing thus providing a force to push against which in turn cause movement as in Newton’s law equal and opposite motion .
And C if a vacuum exists how does the sun warm or illuminate our planet as surely the heat would remain around the sun as the heat of the tea doesn’t heat the outside of your flask.
And D, How does Riquelme get spotted in so many different locations at the same time on transfer deadline day without the ability to move at the speed of light which we know is proven yet couldn’t in a vacuum of nothingness,
it is my conclusion that it’s all a load of bollocks that no one is even close to understanding and it is easier to find reasons why the lunar landings were allegedly faked than except that it just does exist like my unicorn and ability to do magic
I must sign off as I’m due in the electro therapy room
Big C.
Hi Ed just used the link from the Everton banter page didn’t know any of this stuff was here. To the point in hand, firstly I know nothing about space or vacuums or what Torr is yet there a few things that immediately spring to mind .
A. If there is nothing for rockets to push against to move through space how and why do planets orbit the the stars/ suns surely in a such a vacuum nothing would move yet orbits occur and and as a result of said movement there must be a disturbance of the vacuum thus causing a path within the vacuum. The word vacuum itself implies an absence of anything, yet within space there is stuff such as meteors, comets, Satelite’s, space junk etc,
B, each body within the galaxy has a magnetic/ gravitational pull / field and while not visible with the eye are proven to exist therefore with space flight the lunar missions use the gravitational pull of earth and the Moon and their orbits of the earth and moon to achieve breakaway and landing thus providing a force to push against which in turn cause movement as in Newton’s law equal and opposite motion .
And C if a vacuum exists how does the sun warm or illuminate our planet as surely the heat would remain around the sun as the heat of the tea doesn’t heat the outside of your flask.
And D, How does Riquelme get spotted in so many different locations at the same time on transfer deadline day without the ability to move at the speed of light which we know is proven yet couldn’t in a vacuum of nothingness,
it is my conclusion that it’s all a load of bollocks that no one is even close to understanding and it is easier to find reasons why the lunar landings were allegedly faked than except that it just does exist like my unicorn and ability to do magic
I must sign off as I’m due in the electro therapy room
Big C.
{Ed033\'s Note - A. planets don\'t orbit the the stars. Planets are wandering luminaries in the Firmament.
B. There is no \'galaxy\'. There are luminaries in the Firmament. No rocket or space shuttle can \'orbit\' the Earth because the Earth is not a sphere or \'orbit\' the Moon because the Moon we see in our reality is possibly a projection.
C. Outer Space doesn\'t exist and therefore the Outer space vacuum doesn\'t exist. The Sun in our reality is also possibly a projection.
The Sun and Moon are physical either in or above the Firmament.
Yes, your conclusion of mainstream space science being bull is correct.
B. There is no \'galaxy\'. There are luminaries in the Firmament. No rocket or space shuttle can \'orbit\' the Earth because the Earth is not a sphere or \'orbit\' the Moon because the Moon we see in our reality is possibly a projection.
C. Outer Space doesn\'t exist and therefore the Outer space vacuum doesn\'t exist. The Sun in our reality is also possibly a projection.
The Sun and Moon are physical either in or above the Firmament.
Yes, your conclusion of mainstream space science being bull is correct.
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22 Feb 2020 22:39:43
And it is probably a case of \'no one knows\' if a rocket can work in space or not. I can not find one bit of rocket launch \'external camera\' footage that goes beyond 70 - 100 miles up, then it always cuts off or goes to a cartoon.
If someone has seen any footage past this point, please post it here, thanks. And Apollo footage is fake, so don\'t bother posting low Earth orbit window pics :)
70-100 miles. Wouldn\'t that be around the height of the starting point/ edge of the \'dome\' \'waters above\' firmament\', Ed?
And it is probably a case of \'no one knows\' if a rocket can work in space or not. I can not find one bit of rocket launch \'external camera\' footage that goes beyond 70 - 100 miles up, then it always cuts off or goes to a cartoon.
If someone has seen any footage past this point, please post it here, thanks. And Apollo footage is fake, so don\'t bother posting low Earth orbit window pics :)
70-100 miles. Wouldn\'t that be around the height of the starting point/ edge of the \'dome\' \'waters above\' firmament\', Ed?
{Ed033\'s Note - I\'m not sure where the Firmament starts 70 - 100 miles above Earth maybe about right. I would imagine any \'footage\' would be CGI.
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23 Feb 2020 02:59:16
Sm from what i think I learnt,
On earth the rockets thrust hits our atmosphere and this is what propels the rocket along.
But In a vacuum the energy of thrust would disappear in the vacuum of space.
Sm from what i think I learnt,
On earth the rockets thrust hits our atmosphere and this is what propels the rocket along.
But In a vacuum the energy of thrust would disappear in the vacuum of space.
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24 Feb 2020 00:21:37
I may not be right, Southampton, but I think you are incorrect. Sorry :)
A rocket is basically a controlled explosion over a period of time.
To me the force is happening inside the rocket as the fuel escapes, it doesn\'t need the escaping fuel to push on something to make it move because there are internal forces at play, which make the rocket move.
Remember that we are told space is a vacuum. A vacuum will not hinder the result of internal forces and this will create a directional movement directly related to where the force originated. Therefor a controlled forward movement in relation to a rocket.
I may not be right, Southampton, but I think you are incorrect. Sorry :)
A rocket is basically a controlled explosion over a period of time.
To me the force is happening inside the rocket as the fuel escapes, it doesn\'t need the escaping fuel to push on something to make it move because there are internal forces at play, which make the rocket move.
Remember that we are told space is a vacuum. A vacuum will not hinder the result of internal forces and this will create a directional movement directly related to where the force originated. Therefor a controlled forward movement in relation to a rocket.
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24 Feb 2020 09:46:01
No problem SM
Nothing wrong with being put right mate
Cheers.
No problem SM
Nothing wrong with being put right mate
Cheers.
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