Talk Sense discussion

Ah come on that Star child stuff is guff have you never seen a mis shaped skull. If you dug up the elephant man you would think its an alien.

It's pretty mad tbh. I'm still reading it all. Right now I am asking myself where the studies on the fibres are, and why they keep saying the control skull was 'reportedly' found with the Starchild skull. Also where are the studies on the unidentifiable red stuff? And are they sure it wasn't burnt collagen from the blade? They said there was no protocol if you like for studying something they cannot identify so they have't tried yet, for fear of contaminating the sample. IMO they have more than enough sample to try SOMETHING and see what they get, rather than just sit on a research stalemate. If they do get to it that's great, but I haven't got that far yet.

Raz

Mate I have seen so much about the elephant man - and so far that has been explained by things. I watched that programme about 6 weeks ago about the elephant man and how they think he died- by leaning his head a certain way and it snapping his neck etc when he went to bed. Whatever. I am waiting to read an explanation for a skull made out of tooth, uniformly yet unforced-ly different to a normal human, much much thinner and lighter, yet stronger. I am not arrogant enough to simply thumb-down the Star Child as being not-entirely-human just because it doesn't sit with my idea of normal or acceptable. I have not finished reading, however, and when I have I will draw my own conclusions. The only thing I will say now before it crops up later is this: if all this govt cover up stuff really does happen and any trace of alien life is always hidden and then publicly dismissed, then I will not be surprised if I eventually end up reading that this is in fact human, even if I do not believe it.

What also makes me curious is that it had a string of DNA nucleotides or whatever that were 100% human, tied in with DNA that apparently was 100% NOT - not only that, but unrecognised as being anything from this planet that science knows about so far. That is amazing, and I will carry on exploring til I find out what people think it is.

On a side note, enough work and research has been done on body language and psychology to be able to identify immediately whether or not the scientists responsible for providing the DNA results, and Pye, are lying. So I don't think they are at this moment in time.

Raz

Nutshell: there is a difference between mis-shaped and perfectly-formed-yet-different.

To the guy that says the Starchild skill is only a misshapen skull. You clearly have only seen a pic of it, and by the sound of it, not a very good one. All sceptics say that they want evidence. Well science has tested this thing more than several times at different labs by different scientists and the conclusion ( so far ) is always the same. That the biological father of this thing is not of human origin. Even by looking at the pics, you can see it's not just a misshapen skull. Thing is, we don't know exactly how it came about, but we have it. Also, if there is ever a final test that explains it, then I'll accept whatever they say.
Dont be so close minded.
Remember, the brightest minds in the world once believed the earth was flat, so ponder that for a while.
Next you'll be saying it's FACT, that we're the only intelligent beings in the whole universe.

Anyway, peace

Jay

God then you are all right! Aliens are responsible for the evolution of man all culture and technology. You read crap pulp because you want a hollywood answer to everthing,anything well edited that drops in science jargon your hooked! Grow up. If you want to understand the world read Dawkins read Darwin read Marx. Or just go watch a DVD by David Ike and be a crettin. All these theories are a infantile distraction.

The tories are cutting the hell outta the coutry and all you want is quak medicine.

DONT BUY THE SUN

Well said RAZ, I'm the same, I never said it defo was a being of different origin, only that this is what science has revealed so far!
Also to the poster who wrote the nutshell comment, nice!

Peace

Jay

To the DON'T BUY THE SUN guy.

You're very hostile to people with open minds, shame yours is closed. Explain to me then if you don't mind, what your theory of our existence to be? Was it the invisible there's no evidence for God so many worship?
Are you scared that we maybe right? FACT is, you can't prove any of these theory's to be right or wrong, like we can't either.
Look forward to response brother!

Peace

Jay

Sorry but medical and scientific opinion is the child was human. DNA 100% human. The vested interest in the myth and the lies printed are due to the owner and author Mr Pye. You lot must believe in fairies elves and Santa.

Dont buy the Sun

And Marxism is the biggest fairytale of the lot mate. Sory but your perfect socialist utopia will never happen its not in human nature. Look at the mess labour make everytime they have power by driving us to the brink of bankruptcy. And i'm not a Tory i come from 5 generations of labour voters.

Posting false information? That's infantile as you call it friend. If you actually bothered to research the Starchild skull yourself, you'll regret posting that science has proven it to be 100% human. I'll meet you halfway and say MAYBE the first test might have revealed that, but when you check the science, each test has been more modern each time and brought up more questions!
Look, there's every chance you're right, but there's every chance you're wrong as well!
Why is it that you have totally closed your mind to the idea? Does it bother you that everything you've been told so far has been a lie?

Peace to you

Jay {Ed033's Note - According to 2011 DNA experiments, the Star Child skull is almost certainly non human i.e. Alien - see Lloyd Pye's dedicated Star child web site page at www.starchildproject.com/dna2011marchlaymans.htm }

To Jay

I dont believe in intelligent design of any nature God or alien or any crap they are all part of the same arc. I believe in the evolution of the species, I also believe that human civilisation is more than capable of great achievements(that many attribute to Aliens with a love for working in the medium of stone) Pyrimids Aztec temples Hoover Dam etc. I am also a Marxist, I believe in workers collective ownership but I dont blame Owl worshipping Illumiati for the workers woes I blame greed and capital. Im hostile because if people base their opinions on the kinda texts that BARGIN BOOKS sell by the load then there is little hope that people will deal in rationale intellectual way. There is much that people need to educate themselves about and understand GLOBAL ECONOMICS, THE IMF, DEBT RESTRUCTURING, CAPITALIST MARKET SYSTEMS, TORY POLICY AND THE TEA PARTY. These are things I fear because I understand them to hell with rubbish lies that are published by imbeciles for idiots.
People who read pulp about SERIAL KILLERS, ALIENS, GHOSTS ETC depress me to hell.

Dont Buy the Sun

Anyway went off on tangent there, back to the kid with the oddly shaped skull. Be damned if i know, its strange and something certainly that falls into the unknown category.

Dear Mr Don't Buy The Sun.

You can speak your mind without being a *****. You should learn to do it. You don't believe the Star Child stuff, that is fine. Your hostility isn't.

I want to say a couple of things though :

ANyone who was not a biology geek and did id-depth learning about DNA and nucleoides, how they link etc etc, will find that research results, even their 'dumbed-down' form, very hard to understand. That's natural. I did Biology A- Level and Sports Science A- Level amongst others, and I fully understood all the DNA testing, the potential flaws, and the reasons for having to test again. I have read the articles from top to bottom and one thing that is 100% FACT is that the mother of the star child was 100% human and from a gene pool native to the area in which it was discovered.

Another FACT is that the woman whose skull was found with the Star Child was NOT it's mother.

Another FACT is that the Paternal DNA of the Star Child does not match a SINGLE organism, or any part of one so far, that has ever lived and been documented on this earth, be it bacteria, dinosaur, or human. FACT.

You strike me as being someone who refutes what he doesn't understand, which is a great shame.

I have no problem with anyone disbelieving something because they don't understand and there is no evidence, but I dislike people who sate others for their beliefs in something that can be proven, that is just insane.

I really would recommend you read as much as you can about the DNA testing of the Star Child, you have either misred or chosen to ignore some key facts from the research and you have misrepresented facts on here. That thing, whatever it is, is not 100%. It's MOTHER was. Fact. Honestly go read it and then come back but please don't just poo-poo the whole idea because it doesn't sit well with you.

Peace

Raz {Ed003's Note -

P.s. I do agree with you Don't Buy The Sun guy on the idea of people being able to build massive structures etc. I think Apocalypto, as daft as some people called it (I fecking loved it) depicted pretty clearly how previous societies used to worship a man as a god, this is nothing new, and how that man's people were all slaves, and their whole lives, rather like miners, were put towards building these larger than life structures. I wholeheartedly believe that. I haven't read about what the Mayan thought yet, and there's this stuff about ancient technologies and then a flood etc. My question would why haven't we found any of it?

Off to do some reading.

Raz

Sorry all, I meant to write not 100% human....

Millionth PS. You don't believe in serial killers? Where do you come from? Are you in fact stig of the dump with no concept of anything other than your cave and book of marxism someone dropped? Come on mate everyone knows serial killers are well documented and don't leave any room for debate or conspiracy theorising. On a level, that was an odd admission.

I know serial killers exist! My point was the vast volumes of lurid literature published about them appeals to the same lowest common donominator audience that read crap about aliens etc from pulp books written by idiots containing so called FACTS.

Dont Buy the Sun

The DNA testing used on the skull was flawed.
real DNA tests show its 100% human with a genetic deformity. cant remember the exact deformitys name but i googled it and the pictures of kids with this condition looked exactly like the skull.
the owner of the skull will continue to say its an alien and the testing proves it as long as people listen.

MIKEY

P.S.S. Sorry Don't Buy The Sun (please change your sign off, you wont actually stop anyone buying that rag anyway. In other news- Hillsborough debate is going to court on October 17th if you didn't already know mate), on another tangent, apart from being able to get my head around the DNA chat, I also studied Marxism. The over-riding fact is he was an idealist and not a realist and that sort of Utopia really is the hollywood ending you accuse us of wanting. What you are saying is that we effectively cease to have a world economy and that everyone simply share everything. This is where a knowledge of human genetics would do you and and would have done Marx some good, because it is against human nature NOT to be territorial, hungry for things the human brain associates with wealth, status and power. Freud would quite happily back me up. And although sometimes radical, he was no joker. What Marx wanted was understood by all, and some thought it was great. But those with his nature think that those without his nature are 'wrong' - when it is biologically and psychologically proven that humans are predisposed to character traits as primitive as wolves are. So what Marxism suggested was in actual fact a complete revision of what it means to be human, in a weird sense, and that in itself means that we will never see the world willingly collapse it's economy in favour of sharing and joint ownership.

Raz

Thank God! Not that I believe in that. Mikey you are speaking total sense. It was a kid with an illness. All the stuff about DNA tests is from the owner of the skulls website and author of all the alien crap. Funny how gulable people will believe anything he claims.

Well done Mikey!

Dont Buy the Sun

Mikey plz will you provide a link for us to read what you read or something similar,or about the disease? Would be wicked to see it. I am as open to being told it is not human as I am that it is only half.
DBTS : What books? I never read books on this shiz, or 'pulp' as you call it, but again examples so I can steer clear would be good. I have google for reading up on this shiz.

Mikey: why do you say DNA results were wrong?
Cheers
Raz

I just googled it after reading it on here last night. if you avoid the official website and the lies on it you will find a few indipendant sites that say the truth. i will try find it now and post it.
also i do agree you should change ur sign off as well.
it should be dont buy the sun or daily mail.
kelvin mckenzie who was responsible for that headline now edits the daily mail. so us reds should boycott both.

MIKEY
ps eds this new page is great. {Ed007's Note - Thanks very much. I'm actually using it as a learning curve! I thought I knew it all!}

Hutchinson-Gilford Progeria Syndrome its called.

MIKEY

Also i 100% believe the owner of the skull knows this and is ripping off people.
there is your conspiricy.

MIKEY

MIKEY!

So to find the whole truth and nothing but the truth, according to you. We should avoid the official site and any other site that proves the starchild has different origins than us? Why? Because you can't accept something so strange and mysterious?
Science has proved this thing is of different make-up than any other human. All the evidence PROVES this mate, so why you hating on the concept so much?

Also, as RAZ kindly asked. Can you please provide a link to show this evidence, with pics and scientific study to show that this deformity is the EXACT same as the starchild skull? Eg. Difference in thickness and durability, and the unexplained red stuff as well?

If you can, i'd be more than happy to accept the idea that maybe the whole starchild thing isn't a mystery. But until I see compelling evidence to prove otherwise, then I'll still think there's every chance this thing is special. Thing is, so will you my friend!

Peace
Jay

Did trisha do the DNA test?

Cheers Mikey I will have a look - like I say, I am not writing it off as being human, provided someone can prove it, that's all. So far I have seen evidence it is half n half. I'll check out that syndrome now.
Cheers
Raz

I did post a link on here but the eds never put it on.
if it was proved by a credible scientist or organisation it was extra terrestrial i would accept it. however it wasnt.
it was proved by a credible scientist to be a hoax and that it was a human with the above deformity, or a mixture of several.
dunno why its so hard to understand. it was proved without doubt it was a hoax.
case closed. :)

MIKEY {Ed001's Note - no link came through, you need to take off the http:// bit if you included that. It is a simple expedient we use to reduce spam.}