18 Dec 2011 15:46:28 I watched a youtube conference last week, (cant… · #641

Didnt the government claim it was public disorder at first so that they wouldnt have to pay compensation?once boris picked up a sweeping brush thats when we knew the streets where safe.

I think its a bit more than paying compo my friend, i think its get our country in such a state that everyone will be begging for the army or the very least all police to be armed, then the **** will hit the fan, gradually our voice has gone threw the decades from the unions being dismantled to getting taxed by everything except oxygen, as a country we all need to wake up, be more like the french, if they don't like anything there goverment does they All strike. Frankyscouse

To the people who disagreed with my last point, iwould like to know why you don't agree. Frankyscouse

I don't know either franky but please stop giving them ideas especially taxing oxygen i for one hope they have not already seen this as i fear they will be voting it in as i type I just wonder how they would implement the tax against animals and plants. lol

I never clicked disagree but i will have a go.

Basically striking never achieves anything it only costs you support. The last major successful strike in this country was the 1974 general strike which toppled the Heath govt and in the end that only caused the downfall of the unions as it helped the rise of Thatcher. When the NUM tried to repeat '74 by coming out in 1984 they had an enemy who was far tougher than Heath and she used to to break the unions. Its taken the unions 30 years to recover and there's only the public sector ones left. The over 50's fat cats that run these public sector unions remember the glory days and all they care about is getting revenge on the Tories for the 80's and trying to give Cameron a bloody nose. They will fail because like '84 they don't have widespread support, if anything they have less than they did in '84. Incidentally mnay families of the striking miners from the '84 strike are still in debt to this day.

Onto your example of France. Do you think constantly being on strike has achieved anything in France? By allowing people to retire in the early to mid 50's they have pushed up the welfare state budget massively over the years and now they cannot cope with it. This is why France is starting to creak. This is why Sarkozy wants to raise the retirement age because he knows they can't afford it. But the barricades will soon be out and they'll be on strike, maybe even win concessions and France's debts will carry on going up. So yeah the Fench have had their fun out of striking but never considered the long term consquences and now the chickens are coming home to roost because Socialists can never do long term sums.

A few good points you have made,there has to be a balance,the unions has no power today that is why the private sector can do what they want and the working class have to take it,as for your miners still being in debt, thats my whole point about the french, what ever beef they had with there goverment they ALL backed each other, so if we were like that back in the late 70 when the miners went on strike everyone would have backed them, interesting you mentioned miners , we inport our coal even thou we have the resources here,as for the french i like there spirit, our country had it once, frankyscouse

Franky it was the miners that started off the '74 strike, all the other unions did back them and it caused the collapse of the Heath govt. in 1984 the miners tried to repeat the trick and do it again, this time the other unions did not stand with the NUM.

Many working men ended up massively in debt through that strike. Where was union solidarity then? They backed the '74 strike cos they did very well out of it. In '84 they left the miners to face Thatchers crackdown. Crack police riot units bused in to smash into working guys twice there age, but the other unions did nowt to assist, barely even helping wives and young kids out in a time of need.

I come from an (extinct) mining family.

I agree there has to be balance, but i get the feeling that a lot of the modern union big wigs couldn't give a toss for the members, their too isolated away from the rank and file with their massive salaries and big houses, they've become what they once fought against, o the irony. They just want to stick it too the Tories but don't realise they have no support. They claim it was some sort of success to have 2 million out on the streets. It did nothing for them, look at how some of them have been back tracking in recent weeks.

Don't get me wrong i like France, but they always kick off over the wrong things, they've had it soft for 40 years and now its a crisis they can't cope, as usual.

Mate i am not backing any goverment, they are all bent and on the take, and i take your point about the miners,i just want the working classes to have a voice because now days we moan but no action, we just bend over and everyone looks after number1.
frankyscouse

Yes i agree Franky, but the Labour party was supposed to be our voice and what happened?

Tony the Tory went sucking up to the middle class to get elected whilst Gordon went bunging well off middle class doctors and teachers tax credits whilst scraping the 10p tax rate which hit the low paid working class. Now i expected that off the Tories, not my own party which is why i did not vote for them at the election and i told my sitting Labour MP that to his face. He ended up losing his seat (with re-drawn boundaries) by just 6 votes. Think it was the 2nd closest seat in the country.

Now Labour have Milliband the younger in charge, another middle class posho who doesn't know what life is like and he's a clueless muppet. Now i expect an Ed will say no mp's do know what life is like, but once Labour had people like Blunkett for example who were working class in origin, and who had respect of the core Labour voters. Now we have what?

U mention 1 decent politician that sez it all,i would rather vote for the raving looney party. and i mean that.
frankyscouse

Franky mate it was a struggle to get Blunkett. But thats the sad state of the Labour party and to a lesser extent the LD's.

{Ed033's Note - Ed Milliband's nickname in political circles is allegedly Forest Gump.}