18 Dec 2011 17:30:47 Regarding the radioactive material found in russ… · #642

I think the fact it happened in russia speaks volumes.

But remember the Iranians are not exactly innocents either. Just look at them getting a mob of soldiers dressed in civvies to smash into the British Embassy.

Britain isnt exactly innocent either,wherever there is conflict....Britains is there.

Never said we was, but there's a bit too much of this "O poor innocent Iran" rubbish going on. Their up there as one of the top 3 worst state sponsors of terrorism and yes i am counting the yanks in that.

I wasn't suggesting that Iran was innocent but do you think that they would have better ways off getting the material in. I just thought maybe they were making it public so when they started attacks they could have a good excuse for doing so

Halewood Red

So why is it ok for us (uk) and USA to have nuclear weapons, but when someone else does, it's an atrocity and we must intervene?
Getting more ridiculous as each day passes!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

If I may, countries like Britain, America and France are all stable democracies. I can't really see us or the French ever using them. Even Russia is more stable than previously under the Communists.

Then you have places like Pakistan which are very unstable, North Korea which is becoming unstable and Iran which is ran by a loon. So a far more scary prospect is unstable countries having technology like that.

I'm against nuclear weapons per se and i think its the responsibility of the current nulcear powers to stop the spread. Russia and China should get on board help get rid of them in these other states and then once thats done start on the path of getting rid of their own!

I see what your trying to say, but honestly, do you think we, the French and USA are really that stable? I doubt it very much so, even mainstream media is showing all of our economy's falling apart.
Also, if we dont need them like you say, why do we have so much? All I'm saying is, that its very hypocritical to go around disarming the world of nuclear weapons while your own stock grows larger!

I hate that my country is part of this huge bully boy alliance with the yanks, arming small country's then invading and bombing them.

Peace

Jay
Glasgow {Ed001's Note - do you not think the media is deliberately trying to stop the country from coming out of recession by telling us all the time that we are in one? That's the way it seems to me. Every time spending picks up in the shops, the news has numerous items on double dips etc until everyone gets nervous and stops spending.}

Spot on ed!

Peace

Jay

Agree with you edd and jay, as for the iran leader being a nutter,its being drip feed to us he is dangerous ,reading books and watching old footage about the 1960s, castro was that supposed nuttter , i will say no more.
frankyscouse

Ed001 i hadn't realised that, but now i think of it that does seem to happen.

Jay i just meant that we are more stable than a place like Pakistan where there's a military coup every decade, North Korea which now has a new untested leader and Iran which is a very strange place. The people aren't entirely happy with there lot, the leadership isn't prepared to give them anything. Its funny. As i said i'd like to see nuclear weapons gone altogether of course. Its just we having started this arms race off have a responsibility to end it. That means sorting the poorer countries out first then getting rid of our own. i think its abd how much the developed countries spend on them never mind a country like India with millions in poverty.

Frankie, i get where you are coming from re Castro, but Castro never had any real nuclear ambitions or would have used them unless an actual invasion want on.

Ahmadinejad though is well, lets just say the cheese has well and truly slid off his cracker. I knew a guy at Uni, a Russian, and he's had dealing in iran and he says its a fact the guy aint got a full deck. And the Russians are the ones who are supposed to back him and if there a bit wary...!

"If I may, countries like Britain, America and France are all stable democracies. I can't really see us or the French ever using them. Even Russia is more stable than previously under the Communists.". A ridiculous statement. There have been two nuclear attacks, Hiroshima and Nagasaki - both carried out by America, a supposedly stable democracy.

{Ed033's Note - This "stable democracies" stuff comes straight from the BBC propaganda machine and Russia is still under the Communists. Believe it or not Britain, America and France are under the Communists as well as the NWO agenda is essentially communism where a tiny elite have everything and everyone else has the same i.e. nothing.}

So y exactly is the head of iran nuts? the only speech i seen was him sayin 9 11 was inside job which doesnt seem that nuts 2 me, btw im in no way stickin up 4 him im jus cluless?

"A ridiculous statement. There have been two nuclear attacks, Hiroshima and Nagasaki - both carried out by America, a supposedly stable democracy. "

That was in the War, and hoe many have the yanks used since? er 0. cos they saw what the effect was.

The point i was making was that the western nuclear powers are more stable than a place like Pakistan where there is a military coup every decade. When did the military last overtly run Britain or America?

Ok Russia is a different kettle of fish and i can see them sliding back towards communism, but even then the Russians never used nuclear weapons.

As fir the Iranian president, my ex Uni Russian buddy has worked in Iran, can't say specific details, and he says the guy isn't the full shilling, what you see in public especially on state media is very carefully orchestrated. They are very wary of the dude especially given past public (and private) statements and his nuclear ambitions, this is why the Russians always act more conciliatory to them. Next time i'm in Moscow i'll ask Roman for some stories shall i?

Your russian buddy who worked or works in iran describes the iran president as not the full shilling?a bold statement inplying he knows or someone who knows him?
frankyscouse

Lets just say he isnt the full shilling, what about cameron?
he made a very stupid comment after Gaddafi's death which shows he also aint the full shilling.
he said the every victim of the i.r.a should be rembered when Gaddafi died because of the use of Libyan semtex. quite a statement to make when he arms almost half the globe.

peace

Jay
Glasgow

Excellent reply jay.
frankyscouse

Franky he's done a lot of work over there both for the Russian Govt and a couple of private companies. As such he knows a few people in certain Iranian govt circles and most of the senior Embassy Staff. Russians being hard core drinkers tend to get pissed off duty and swap stories. Some of which he hinted at to me but he wouldn't go into details as in his words you never know who is listening and he didn't want to drop any of his buddies in it. The general impression i got was that he has a very carefully cultivated public image designed to appeal to certain sections of the public, no different from any western politician, however underneath this is the real man and he's a bit trippy. Some of the stuff that has appeared in the media before about him being a bit screwy are, i am , assured quite correct. Next time i am in Moscow i'll ask after the 3rd bottle of stoly.

Jay i get where you are coming from, don't think we arm half the globe, i am sure america and russia have bigger arms sales than us. Also i do think the victims of the ira do get forgotten but thats another argument.

Fair play m8, I may have exaggerated a little, but it's known that we sell arms, hence Camerons statement being quite hypocritical.

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

Cheers feller for explaing your buddy.
frankyscouse