03 Apr 2014 20:06:21 kim philiby on bbc2 tonight at 9pm I think I wil… · #9101

03 Apr 2014 21:11:12
No I'm not ;)

Have part one recorded.

Kim Philby

Interesting documentary more a betrayal about friendship than anything concrete in the documentary.

03 Apr 2014 22:42:20
I believe a lot of files are still locked away Franky. In that game its all about betrayal, the constant lies gets stressful. Was having a similar discussion on Tuesday night with a couple of old friends. Its an odd business, living on nerves and adrenaline. The other member has never been officially confirmed after all, and the other major spy ring has never been revealed.

Kim Philby

Hence on the documentary the bbc never gave any solid evidence that KP was this treacherous spy, in other words the show says" trust us"

as I am always skeptical of our great BBC propaganda machine and to be honest they seem to forget about another spy called Jeremy thorp, maybe its because he was a first cousin of the queen.

04 Apr 2014 11:18:23
So you think its an exaggeration of Philbys role then?

Kim Philby

KP was a traitor in the sense he gave information to Moscow there is no question about that but at the same time the amount of lives he had is absolutely astonishing.

some things I found out about KP late last night by a twitter friend who was a top barrister a few years ago and has interesting stories about various subjects, I will quote what he typed, (like I said I do not know enough about the feller)

ian
Kim Philby: Ben Macintyre saying how plausible Philby was. The film of him denying guilt showed someone only an person would trust

me
i watched the philby documentary, what's your take on him?

ian
As a person? I think he secretly hated his own background, which was mixed. Mother Anglo-Indian, father a maverick pro-Arab.

me
do you think he was a scapegoat?even in the doc there was nothing concrete and files still classified.

ian
Scapegoat? Philby was, if you like, a traitor, in the ordinary usage, but it has suited both sides to make him out to be "brilliant"

me
2 me the bbc making out that KP was this great spy is ridiculous. why not look @ like jeremy thorpe? or is that 2 sensitive considering he is first cousin of the queen.

ian
If Kim Philby was great spy and even great mind, then that validates NKVD/KGB and excuses SIS/MI6 and the Security Service/MI5.

04 Apr 2014 14:58:08
Franky bear in mind he spent almost 30 years as an agent and only under suspicion for a small part of that time. I'm not saying he was some sort of super spy and I do think you British have over cooked the pudding a little to give the excuse you were duped by a brilliant master. But it was a good run. You also have to bear in mind just how throughly the kgb had penetrated the British establishment and the magnificent 5 were held up to younger generations as the pinnacle. Although I agree that film was a joke, everytime he lied he smiled afterwards. Bit of an easy tell. If you really are using that as training footage I hope its on how not to do it.

As I said last night you never hear anything about the other major ring active at the time, the Oxford ring. On my first trip to London I was amazed at some of the people we were getting Intel from. And some of who I recruited as well, well I don't think those names will be out anytime soon.

Kim Philby

Kim he was a spy at the end of the day but there is no doubt in my mind he was expendable and whether he was allowed to escape I would not know, its the secret files that interest me more, if it was more on KP then why not release them to the public?the establishment need someone to take the blame but I get the impression people way higher than philliby are the real culprits hence why files are still not disclosed.

04 Apr 2014 16:51:45
Of course he was expendable, we all are. Just pawns in a giant relentless chess game.

And its highly likely he was allowed to defect to avoid a publically humiliating trial, which would have resulted in certain things coming to light including names. You British can't face a scandal.

The files are still hidden to protect various names. Some are still alive but are fairly doddery.

As I said some of the names are fairly surprising.

Kim Philby

I have my own hunch on various names that are hidden.

Interesting chat, go on then Franky who do you reckon?

Mort

I would be guessing if I just named random names but let's just say I genuinely think there are top politicians of that time and royalty, around the time of the KP scandal you had the profumo affair which involved the Secretary of State for War so as kim said it was rife with soviet spies and why I think the monarchy had spies is simple, the Declassification files usually get disclosed every 25 years this case is over 50 years now and its something the establishment do no want to get out.

04 Apr 2014 22:45:27
Yes you also have the 50 year and 100 year rule for the really secret stuff.

Alas I am unable to name names but I do have a quiet chuckle when I see certain names.

Kim Philby