26 May 2014 12:34:59
a quick post about ukip getting more votes and now Cameron addressing he will have to listen to the public more after the results,
this is a agenda ukip are a hard line tory party with the same agenda as the tories ie attack the poor and look after the elite, in other words they have let ukip to do there dirty work and now are jumping in saying "ok guys if that's what you want we will give what you want"
the sheep are brainwashed looking to blame Abdul or a Bulgarian family for there problems when the problems lay straight at the houses of Parliament,
ever asked the question how come ukip get the media attention it does?because its a agenda, if the nha party (i voted for) or the green party got the same media then fair enough but it gets a tiny tiny fraction of press, I wonder if many of you have heard of the nha party, which is my point, we are going down a scary road with these racists and do not be blinded by they are for the british people they are for the elite and corporations the same principles to break up the nhs and bedroom tax etc, times will get much darker if these snakes get anymore publicity,
right wife moaning, off in the car, adios amigos.
Think you're VERY wrong to call UKIP racist. UKIP aren't a racist party, they do have some racist members - but so do all parties! I challenge you to find a geuine RACIST part of their manifestos - surely wanting independence from EU and control over our own boarders is no more racist than Scotland wanting Independence from the UK? After all, majority of people who say UKIP are racist only say that because it's what the media says so, or did before Thursday. I mean come on, I always thought you guys on here were all big on the cooperate companies, media, political parties brainwashing people?
JG
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Oh I missed out the NHS part - UKIP have never actually said they want to privatise it - it was the view of Nutall in a blog that a fully nationalised NHS is not sustainable in the current climate, which is his OPINION! Not the view of the party, although I do agree with him. He was widely misquoted on that, as has many other UKIP members, but of course some are guilty of being racist and have rightly been booted out
JG
JG
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What about lord Monchton, president of the UKIP party who quotes "the Scots are subsidy junkies whining like a trampled bagpipe as they wait for their next fix of English taxpayers money"
That I think is racist, they are also morally questionable.
Geoffrey Clarke who is hoping to win a seat at Kent County Council quotes " compulsory abortion for children with downs system or spina bifida as they would be a burden if born"
Class act these guys
Vambo
That I think is racist, they are also morally questionable.
Geoffrey Clarke who is hoping to win a seat at Kent County Council quotes " compulsory abortion for children with downs system or spina bifida as they would be a burden if born"
Class act these guys
Vambo
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Im sorry but ukip are not a racist party never have been and never will be. It seems to me if you can't win an arguement against them just shout racist and you win by default. Although I don't agree with Lord Monchton's comments I will argue that they are not racist in the slightest, its all a bit tongue and cheek!
Greeting from a scotsman
Greeting from a scotsman
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27 May 2014 22:03:44
Lord Monkton was however correct. All these things like free higher education come from where? Scotland is less than 10 % of the population of Britain.
And the nhs in its current form is unsustainable. Given an aging population, with more old people who live longer, massive cancer rates and new expensive drugs being developed all the time the demand for money is always on the rise. More and more of every penny Britain makes goes into the nhs and the welfare state. It is unsustainable. Eventually at some point funding both will take the majority of your countries gdp.
That's the anti eu argument, that money saved from Brussels could go on the nhs. Eventually even that will run out.
Kim Philby
Lord Monkton was however correct. All these things like free higher education come from where? Scotland is less than 10 % of the population of Britain.
And the nhs in its current form is unsustainable. Given an aging population, with more old people who live longer, massive cancer rates and new expensive drugs being developed all the time the demand for money is always on the rise. More and more of every penny Britain makes goes into the nhs and the welfare state. It is unsustainable. Eventually at some point funding both will take the majority of your countries gdp.
That's the anti eu argument, that money saved from Brussels could go on the nhs. Eventually even that will run out.
Kim Philby
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Side stepping the whole UKIP debate for a minute, I couldn't help but think how right you are in respect of this comment KP;
'massive cancer rates and new expensive drugs'.
It's kind of convenient isn't it? Seems to me while many a good country buckles under the strain of the recession, the big pharmaceuticals have never had it so good. Make everyone sick, and rob them blind while pretending to cure them.
Ryan.
'massive cancer rates and new expensive drugs'.
It's kind of convenient isn't it? Seems to me while many a good country buckles under the strain of the recession, the big pharmaceuticals have never had it so good. Make everyone sick, and rob them blind while pretending to cure them.
Ryan.
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Actually Kim what you say about Scotland is wrong, Scotland pays in more in tax than they take out.
That's why more and more scots are looking at independence as the only alternative to escape the money grabbing, give to the rich government
I do agree that the NHS is unsustainable and believe we will have an American insurance scheme come in soon
Vambo
That's why more and more scots are looking at independence as the only alternative to escape the money grabbing, give to the rich government
I do agree that the NHS is unsustainable and believe we will have an American insurance scheme come in soon
Vambo
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28 May 2014 18:17:23
Vambo we will agree to disagree until I can recheck the figures which will be awhile as I am off traveling for a bit.
I feel that independence won't be the great thing its played out to be. Also salmond is a slimy toad in a species renowned for being slimy. I mean politicians in case that gets misconstrued. He reminds me of many small time local party bosses back home who get a whiff of power. Everything he says is a con. And his projections are based on wildly exaggerated potential oil reserves. I feel it could be a costly mistake. However I would wish you well and hope it succeeds.
Ryan yes quite a coincidence isn't it.
I agree regards a potential change to health insurance, most likely for the under 30's who will also lose their state pension, this is what I think the long term plan is.
Vambo we will agree to disagree until I can recheck the figures which will be awhile as I am off traveling for a bit.
I feel that independence won't be the great thing its played out to be. Also salmond is a slimy toad in a species renowned for being slimy. I mean politicians in case that gets misconstrued. He reminds me of many small time local party bosses back home who get a whiff of power. Everything he says is a con. And his projections are based on wildly exaggerated potential oil reserves. I feel it could be a costly mistake. However I would wish you well and hope it succeeds.
Ryan yes quite a coincidence isn't it.
I agree regards a potential change to health insurance, most likely for the under 30's who will also lose their state pension, this is what I think the long term plan is.
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Safe travels Kim, I would say that I'm not voting for Alex Salmond or SNP, it's for independence and there is a general election due the year after so as a country we, for the first time can have a government the majority in Scotland voted for
Cheers
Vambo
Cheers
Vambo
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29 May 2014 23:34:43
I think your stronger together and weaker separately. I also think things have been manipulated to split Britain and further weaken your influence.
Thank you, I would send you a postcard.
Kim Philby
I think your stronger together and weaker separately. I also think things have been manipulated to split Britain and further weaken your influence.
Thank you, I would send you a postcard.
Kim Philby
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I cannot believe that people are calling the NHS unsustainable. There's £75bn for a railway, 2 new aircraft carriers being built with £15bn of airplanes on order. And George Osbourne has committed us to more debt in 4 years than Labour did in 13. and where has that money gone? Socialism for the rich.
The alternative to the NHS, currently being rolled out, is to divide it up and give it to companies whose purpose is not care but profit.
A future in which Virgin delivers your baby? (then takes it to a side room and microchips it). No thanks.
The likes of Serco and G4S providing social services? Caring for troubled children? No thanks, those kids have had it bad enough.
As for UKIP, my theory is that the exposure they've had from the MSM is an establishment-led propoganda campaign to achieve several aims:
1) Everything that's wrong is down to immigrants
2) Disunite the people (divide & conquer)
3) Control the scope of debate in the UK to the boundaries of Football, Celebrity, Paedophiles and Racism
UKIP have Zero MPs and yet the media will cover Farage attending the opening of an envelope. The Greens get no coverage and are the only party with progressive policies.
UKIP's policies, which aren't discussed, are right wing. UKIP are Tories in disguise and Cameron will stoop to forming a coalition with them next year. Wake up to this UKIP voters.
Propoganda not only requires controlling the scope of the nation's mindset, but the definition of its subject matter. Racism is therefore defined as objecting to someone based on skin colour or the significance of cultural differences between us. The definition of Racism is not allowed to include caste or class, as it does in India (for example). Throw class or caste into the definition, throw the post-crash 5 years of the poor getting poorer, the rich getting richer into your thinking. That's the debate that's not happening because UKIP are being used to divert our attention.
Pablo
The alternative to the NHS, currently being rolled out, is to divide it up and give it to companies whose purpose is not care but profit.
A future in which Virgin delivers your baby? (then takes it to a side room and microchips it). No thanks.
The likes of Serco and G4S providing social services? Caring for troubled children? No thanks, those kids have had it bad enough.
As for UKIP, my theory is that the exposure they've had from the MSM is an establishment-led propoganda campaign to achieve several aims:
1) Everything that's wrong is down to immigrants
2) Disunite the people (divide & conquer)
3) Control the scope of debate in the UK to the boundaries of Football, Celebrity, Paedophiles and Racism
UKIP have Zero MPs and yet the media will cover Farage attending the opening of an envelope. The Greens get no coverage and are the only party with progressive policies.
UKIP's policies, which aren't discussed, are right wing. UKIP are Tories in disguise and Cameron will stoop to forming a coalition with them next year. Wake up to this UKIP voters.
Propoganda not only requires controlling the scope of the nation's mindset, but the definition of its subject matter. Racism is therefore defined as objecting to someone based on skin colour or the significance of cultural differences between us. The definition of Racism is not allowed to include caste or class, as it does in India (for example). Throw class or caste into the definition, throw the post-crash 5 years of the poor getting poorer, the rich getting richer into your thinking. That's the debate that's not happening because UKIP are being used to divert our attention.
Pablo
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30 May 2014 14:03:10
As previously stated the nhs takes huge amounts of money to run and this increases every year due to an aging population. On its current way it cannot continue.
I am not advocating splitting it up. But I am advocating changes. For example why is fertility treatment and cosmetic surgery available on the nhs? Its hardly life saving or essential. Why do rich people who can afford to go private go on the nhs?
The economic mess of the last 4 years is entirely due to Brown and Balls. It takes years for an economy to hit bottom in a recession. The wall street crash occurred in 1929 but the depression only really hit by 1931-1933. The winter of discontent was 1979 but things didn't bite until 1983. Same with recent times. Its like steering an oil tanker ot takes time to turn things around.
Do I agree with the tories policies no. But history has shown that labour always almost bankrupts Britain then the tories come in clean up the mess and make people poorer only to lose due to popular outrage and letting in labour who go crazy with money again.
The system in this country is broken and has been for decades. Things need to change.
Kim Philby
As previously stated the nhs takes huge amounts of money to run and this increases every year due to an aging population. On its current way it cannot continue.
I am not advocating splitting it up. But I am advocating changes. For example why is fertility treatment and cosmetic surgery available on the nhs? Its hardly life saving or essential. Why do rich people who can afford to go private go on the nhs?
The economic mess of the last 4 years is entirely due to Brown and Balls. It takes years for an economy to hit bottom in a recession. The wall street crash occurred in 1929 but the depression only really hit by 1931-1933. The winter of discontent was 1979 but things didn't bite until 1983. Same with recent times. Its like steering an oil tanker ot takes time to turn things around.
Do I agree with the tories policies no. But history has shown that labour always almost bankrupts Britain then the tories come in clean up the mess and make people poorer only to lose due to popular outrage and letting in labour who go crazy with money again.
The system in this country is broken and has been for decades. Things need to change.
Kim Philby
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30 May 2014 15:50:17
I am a Brit who has lived in Kenya for the last 20 years. There is no safety net of a NHS or anything like it. I have had to work hard to pay out of my own pocket aroud 500 GBP per year for full medical cover. The covers EVERYTHING including flights back to UK if needed.
I believe the UK government pays around 2,000 GBP per person in UK to fund the NHS. Why not provide every person in UK with full cover every year for say, 1,000 gbp and let the private companies deal with everything else.
I am a Brit who has lived in Kenya for the last 20 years. There is no safety net of a NHS or anything like it. I have had to work hard to pay out of my own pocket aroud 500 GBP per year for full medical cover. The covers EVERYTHING including flights back to UK if needed.
I believe the UK government pays around 2,000 GBP per person in UK to fund the NHS. Why not provide every person in UK with full cover every year for say, 1,000 gbp and let the private companies deal with everything else.
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Pablo, good post that made a lot of sense to me especially the view on ukip's purpose.
I see all this talk of labour v Tories v Ukip as a waste of time as its all divide and conquer techniques IMO. To say one party gets us into a mess or another gets us out of it is too simplistic as they are all just puppets for TPTB. Its not US that these people serve, its THEM (the elite).
Unfortunately until the whole system is scrapped things will only improve by a menial amount.
Harold
I see all this talk of labour v Tories v Ukip as a waste of time as its all divide and conquer techniques IMO. To say one party gets us into a mess or another gets us out of it is too simplistic as they are all just puppets for TPTB. Its not US that these people serve, its THEM (the elite).
Unfortunately until the whole system is scrapped things will only improve by a menial amount.
Harold
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