19 Sep 2014 09:14:04 got up today to find out scotland is still tied… · #9200

The propaganda scare tactics if there was a yes vote shows yes they were going to do whatever it takes to keep the alliance, hand on heart I reckon this vote was rigged.

Unless voting is transparent (full name, i.d. or some other unique identifier) and the lists are made public so they can be crosschecked by every individual, it will always be subject to manipulation.
"It is not who votes that matters, but who counts the votes".
zari

Its a very sad day for scotlands people today there's some video footage of rigging already exposed on social media sites, I was a proud scot before today and ill be a proud scot after, the voices of the voiceless continue to be unheard.
jedimindtricks

We may differ edd02 on this but let's say your valid points were raised, do you hand on heart think it would get a balanced pro/cons debate in the mainstream media?

Yes I understand were you are coming from and let's say independence was fully explained in black and white for the normal person on the street pros/cons, my bet that the cons would heavily outweigh the pros in the press, I will give you a example two massive corporations asda and Tesco were allowed to make a statement that jobs would go and food prices would rise if Scotland became independent, how the hell can that be allowed on a run up to a vote?how many people voted no because of that statement?we will never no but I maintain if we had a media not influenced by corporations then debating issues like this would be crystal clear.

I never said tesco and asda was vote rigging, it might sit right with certain people that food becoming more expensive is simply tactics or posturing, as for the democratic system its works for a small % of the population the rest are struggling.

I will rephrase my statement democracy is working for less people today, drifting off the subject now but we are a country run by corporations not a country running the corporations.

Franky yes there was plenty of Yes voters taking to social media & what not the No voters were only voting for things to stay the same most of us didn't feel any need to justify ourselves or go on & on about it because our minds never changed. 90% of the Violence Vandalism & Bullying has came from yes voters many have been Vile and for that I'm really glad it's went this way. Also Franky I don't think you realise how much Hatred half of this Country had for the SNP & Salmond especially within Protestants. The SNP wanted to take the Orange order off the road & for many that alone was a big no no.

I will check amazon cheers edd.

This is to edd02 your mate is greg palast or greg tobin?looking for that book and tobin writes the book.

21 Sep 2014 00:44:58
I am interested to hear what alternative to democracy you would suggest.

Kim Philby

Cheers edd ordered book, will give you my opinion after I have read it.

Zari, one flaw with your transparent voting system, if everyone can see how you voted on certain issues, then that data would also be available to the got and certain companies with vested interests in how you vote. I'm not sure I would want that being out there for them to look at.

Mort

Mort they have access to that already.
Every government agency has access to that data because they monitor every internet post, phonecall, text etc. one sends and receives. Those same agencies have already been caught sharing that data with private companies such as banks and other private businesses (only establishment run ones of course).
Any voter database contrived, corresponding to registered voters, registered citizens or any other governing mechanism would and is open to establishment manipulation, as they are the ones entrusted with their control.

Absolute transparency would end this farce once and for all by shifting the current imbalance. Granted the people would be incurring short term costs though infinitely outweighed by long term gains.

Without any intended pompousness, we should be proud voicing our opinions, sharing our ideas and standing up for our believes, for that is the only way to test them as compared to any other.
That is what I perceive democracy to be about.
Sovereign people comparing their inner reflections with those of others, in an attempt to reach a higher form of perfection.
Hiding ourselves to appease imposed masters its akin to turning gold to dust and casting it to the winds for it not to be stolen.
It achieves nothing, prolongs the injustice done to this world and its inhabitants, and ensures that the world inherited by humanities progeny would only be darker than the one we inherited.
zari