02 Feb 2020 17:48:57
Ed033 and anyone else who'd like to chime in, I was just wondering what is your stance on God and/ or religion. I have a series of questions relating to this if you wouldn't mind?
1). Do you believe in God?
2). In what sense do you believe in God? Are you monothiestic, polytheistic or something else?
3). Given that there are a number of different religious ideologies around the world, with a lot of them having multiple Gods, are they all real Gods, fake, or misinterpretations?
4). Are you open to the idea that you could be wrong about your views on God? Whether you believe or not.
5). If you are open to the idea of being wrong, what would it take to prove you wrong?
For example if you don't believe in God, you may say something along the lines of "I want to see God personally". Or if you do believe in God it may be something like "finding life on another planet".
6). Assuming you were wrong in your beliefs, what would you turn to instead?
This applies to both believers and non-believers.
{Ed033's Note - These are all mainstream ideas / concepts. This is not a mainstream site.
Anyway, i now default to us living inside a non moving, closed system creation where the closest model that might be correct is the Flat Earth model.
If i see better evidence that the Geocentric model is correct then it's still a Creation in my mind and i move to thinking the Geocentric model is correct.
If i see better evidence that the Heliocentric model is correct then it's still a Creation in my mind and i move to thinking the Heliocentric model is correct.
Whichever the one above, as it's a Creation, then there has to be a Creator or Creators and religion doesn't come into it.
Anyway, i now default to us living inside a non moving, closed system creation where the closest model that might be correct is the Flat Earth model.
If i see better evidence that the Geocentric model is correct then it's still a Creation in my mind and i move to thinking the Geocentric model is correct.
If i see better evidence that the Heliocentric model is correct then it's still a Creation in my mind and i move to thinking the Heliocentric model is correct.
Whichever the one above, as it's a Creation, then there has to be a Creator or Creators and religion doesn't come into it.
02 Feb 2020 21:19:35
You said wrong 4 times HSF. How can anyone even begin to consider the the concept of God within such a rigid and narrow mindset? You have such a black and white view of the world it’s a wonder you even bother to come on here.
You said wrong 4 times HSF. How can anyone even begin to consider the the concept of God within such a rigid and narrow mindset? You have such a black and white view of the world it’s a wonder you even bother to come on here.
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02 Feb 2020 21:24:17
What are your answers to these questions you write, hsf?
1. I believe there are things at play that are beyond my comprehension and if I say anymore it will be pure conjecture. I guess I believe in seeking the truth.
2. conjecture
3. Not a direct answer but there seems to be similar concepts in all religions the main one I think of is the 'Great Flood'. I'm of the belief antediluvian history is being hidden from us all. I can only assume hiding anything has an evil purpose and it is controlling information which creates a lack of trust.
4. I will happily admit I am wrong when shown to be so. As I have previously stated. I seek the truth.
5. The truth, if against my opinion, would prove me wrong.
The only person to have supposedly met God in mortal form is Enoch. Maybe read his book. Although it is non-canonical. (Why is that? )
6. I always except and humbly turn to the truth.
What are your answers to these questions you write, hsf?
1. I believe there are things at play that are beyond my comprehension and if I say anymore it will be pure conjecture. I guess I believe in seeking the truth.
2. conjecture
3. Not a direct answer but there seems to be similar concepts in all religions the main one I think of is the 'Great Flood'. I'm of the belief antediluvian history is being hidden from us all. I can only assume hiding anything has an evil purpose and it is controlling information which creates a lack of trust.
4. I will happily admit I am wrong when shown to be so. As I have previously stated. I seek the truth.
5. The truth, if against my opinion, would prove me wrong.
The only person to have supposedly met God in mortal form is Enoch. Maybe read his book. Although it is non-canonical. (Why is that? )
6. I always except and humbly turn to the truth.
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03 Feb 2020 11:03:40
Rian, I'm just interested in the other side of the fence's views, why they believe in them and what would they do if they are wrong. There is nothing narrow minded about that, I'm not looking to try and prove people wrong. Maybe I'm wrong but I figured narrow minded views were ones which fail to acknowledge the concept of there being a different answer/ view/ theory etc?
SM.
1). No.
2). None.
3). Misinterpretations. I think there are a lot of stories from holy books that are very similar to one another, from different time periods and different parts of the world. I personally think that the majority of stories may well be true, but I think a lot can be explained by things like asteroid or comet impacts and extra-solar phenomenen.
For example, approximately 13,000 years ago a comet impacted Greenland. This caused mass flooding on several continents, caused the whole of north america to set fire and almost ended human life on the planet. It's estimated that we may have gone down to as little as 100,000 in population globally!
4). Of course.
5). I'm not going to lie, it would take quite a bit to convince me that God is real. Simply because of how Gods are depicted in the different cultures. So for this I would say I need to see God do something from one of the holy books, like part the sea or bring something that's been dead for 3 days back to life.
There are things which would make me more open to the idea, seeing some genuine paranormal activity like a ghost that just randomly throws my quilt off my bed, would definitely make me think twice.
6). If God came to me and parted the sea before my eyes as an example of proof, my next step would be to ask what I need to do in life. Then whatever was said to me would be exactly what I'd do. I mean I'd have no choice really.
But if it was proven that God isn't real and what I believe in also turned out to be false, then I'd just wait for evidence to point me in the right direction.
Rian, I'm just interested in the other side of the fence's views, why they believe in them and what would they do if they are wrong. There is nothing narrow minded about that, I'm not looking to try and prove people wrong. Maybe I'm wrong but I figured narrow minded views were ones which fail to acknowledge the concept of there being a different answer/ view/ theory etc?
SM.
1). No.
2). None.
3). Misinterpretations. I think there are a lot of stories from holy books that are very similar to one another, from different time periods and different parts of the world. I personally think that the majority of stories may well be true, but I think a lot can be explained by things like asteroid or comet impacts and extra-solar phenomenen.
For example, approximately 13,000 years ago a comet impacted Greenland. This caused mass flooding on several continents, caused the whole of north america to set fire and almost ended human life on the planet. It's estimated that we may have gone down to as little as 100,000 in population globally!
4). Of course.
5). I'm not going to lie, it would take quite a bit to convince me that God is real. Simply because of how Gods are depicted in the different cultures. So for this I would say I need to see God do something from one of the holy books, like part the sea or bring something that's been dead for 3 days back to life.
There are things which would make me more open to the idea, seeing some genuine paranormal activity like a ghost that just randomly throws my quilt off my bed, would definitely make me think twice.
6). If God came to me and parted the sea before my eyes as an example of proof, my next step would be to ask what I need to do in life. Then whatever was said to me would be exactly what I'd do. I mean I'd have no choice really.
But if it was proven that God isn't real and what I believe in also turned out to be false, then I'd just wait for evidence to point me in the right direction.
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03 Feb 2020 21:59:09
Just to point out something regarding your example in your response to question 3, hsf.
You are just replacing ancient stories apparently told for thousands of years and believed by most of the inhabitants of this planet, with stories from MS science.
There are no cold hard facts to either. You either believe what you are told or you don't.
You will probably reply with something like "they explain this and that and it all makes sense". (this and that is poetic license to shorten this post :) )
But there are people that have done studies on crazy possibilities, like for instance, the recent study on fallen Titans that Ed033 posted. Watch that series of 6-7 videos. You may not believe it but the evidence is there if you want to believe.
That is kind of my point really. You have to take a leap of faith, of sorts, in whatever you believe. It's just that I think the people in charge of the stories in the mainstream have the most to gain from whatever they want to tell us.
Just to point out something regarding your example in your response to question 3, hsf.
You are just replacing ancient stories apparently told for thousands of years and believed by most of the inhabitants of this planet, with stories from MS science.
There are no cold hard facts to either. You either believe what you are told or you don't.
You will probably reply with something like "they explain this and that and it all makes sense". (this and that is poetic license to shorten this post :) )
But there are people that have done studies on crazy possibilities, like for instance, the recent study on fallen Titans that Ed033 posted. Watch that series of 6-7 videos. You may not believe it but the evidence is there if you want to believe.
That is kind of my point really. You have to take a leap of faith, of sorts, in whatever you believe. It's just that I think the people in charge of the stories in the mainstream have the most to gain from whatever they want to tell us.
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04 Feb 2020 08:18:28
What if you’re wrong hsf? Have you considered the possibility? Free yourself from the programming. Most people here are looking for the truth. Right or wrong doesn’t really come into it.
What if you’re wrong hsf? Have you considered the possibility? Free yourself from the programming. Most people here are looking for the truth. Right or wrong doesn’t really come into it.
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04 Feb 2020 17:53:47
I have considered the possibility Rian. And regarding things like God there is no right or wrong answer, yet. And I am free of the programming.
I don't adhere to most things commercial or conformist. For example I rather enjoy Death Metal and wear baggy clothes. I don't watch TV, listen to the radio or read mainstream news papers. I also differ in opinion to the MS archaeology when it comes to ancient Egypt, I think there is very good evidence to suggest that they weren't built 5,000 years ago but refurbished during that time period and built much earlier.
Here is a link to one of the bits of evidence for this, if you wish.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis
SM. The Younger Dryas theory has only been mainstream for a year or two and was vehemently dismissed until the discovery of a 31 kilometer wide crater under Greenlands ice. Randall Carlson has been at the forefront of this theory and almost lost his career because of it.
youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A
I know it's Joe Rogan and he's not exactly popular on here, but Randall Carlson is very interesting to listen to.
What is it you believe the mainstream have to gain from saying these things? Just curious to know, not going to try and trash you reasoning or anything.
I have considered the possibility Rian. And regarding things like God there is no right or wrong answer, yet. And I am free of the programming.
I don't adhere to most things commercial or conformist. For example I rather enjoy Death Metal and wear baggy clothes. I don't watch TV, listen to the radio or read mainstream news papers. I also differ in opinion to the MS archaeology when it comes to ancient Egypt, I think there is very good evidence to suggest that they weren't built 5,000 years ago but refurbished during that time period and built much earlier.
Here is a link to one of the bits of evidence for this, if you wish.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis
SM. The Younger Dryas theory has only been mainstream for a year or two and was vehemently dismissed until the discovery of a 31 kilometer wide crater under Greenlands ice. Randall Carlson has been at the forefront of this theory and almost lost his career because of it.
youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A
I know it's Joe Rogan and he's not exactly popular on here, but Randall Carlson is very interesting to listen to.
What is it you believe the mainstream have to gain from saying these things? Just curious to know, not going to try and trash you reasoning or anything.
{Ed033's Note - Joe Rogan has been mainstream for quite a while now.
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06 Feb 2020 20:26:11
hsf. You do realise a theory is just that. A theory.
A theory, whether supported by the MS or not, is still a theory and not truth. Believing in that would be no different than believing in a God, that you so brashly dismiss.
And how do you know how old the pyramids are? . 5000 years? Isn't this too, a theory? .
And if you don't understand what is to be gained by the elite who control the MSBS, there is no hope for you, my friend. These are not the pages you are looking for.
hsf. You do realise a theory is just that. A theory.
A theory, whether supported by the MS or not, is still a theory and not truth. Believing in that would be no different than believing in a God, that you so brashly dismiss.
And how do you know how old the pyramids are? . 5000 years? Isn't this too, a theory? .
And if you don't understand what is to be gained by the elite who control the MSBS, there is no hope for you, my friend. These are not the pages you are looking for.
{Ed033's Note - hsf throws out numbers like 13,000 years ago and 2 billion years ago as though this means something - It's all made up mainstream theory b.s.
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