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Discussion #9307Talk Sense

11 Sep 2015 14:31:49
Interesting 9/11 story

Rudy Dent a firefighter has come forward about WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers building) coming down by itself.

9/11 firefighter blows WTC7 cover-up wide open

 

defender of humanity
11 Sep 2015 17:58:09
My missus dad owns a company called hunter demolition in Scotland,which is one of a few who has a licence to use explosives. he brings this subject up every time we have dinner or a drink. it starts to annoy me sometimes.but he says when the buildings fall if you slow it down you see a string of explosions also that the building fell too perfect. if the buildings had collapsed under stress of heat, explosion from plane or just the kinetic energy from plane the building or at least part of the building would have fell to the side (bearing in mind the buildings are built to withstand earthquakes and are very strong structures) but if it was a controlled demolition somebody would HAVE to drill into specific foundations and place explosives. it makes me think, why would no one notice such work its very loud and would take a lot of manpower for a building that size.
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frankyscouser
11 Sep 2015 19:30:38
two reasons

1. there was working going on internally before 9/11 it was confirmed

2. or the dr judy wood theory
{Ed033's Note - As Franky says or all of the WTC skyscrapers most likely were built with demolition charges already in place, just in case one day any of the skyscrapers developed a 'fault' and they had to be demolished into their own footprint to minimise damage to surrounding buildings.

If you have loads of time on your hands, you could look at my 9/11 Article that tries to explain the anomalies through videos
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Discussion #2401Talk Sense

11 Sep 2015 11:17:05
@editor, does the 33 in your name represent the 33 rd degree?

 

{Ed033's Note - The 33 is from the 33 degrees in the below video at the 4:45 minute mark

zari
11 Sep 2015 18:26:33
Ed033 is there anything you'd suggest as reading or watching material in regards to the Pleiades?
{Ed033's Note - If this video intrigues you, you could read Wayne Hershel's book, The hidden Records. i don't have anything specific on the Pleiades, i can suggest, but obviously search engine searches is a place to start.
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KimPhilby
11 Sep 2015 23:27:07
i found this interesting on the Pleiades.
http://goo.gl/au5RJ1

And this on the first global nuclear war in ancient times. interesting theory
http://goo.gl/9OmpOl
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Discussion #2400Talk Sense

11 Sep 2015 01:57:00
As a British citizen i've noticed that there are a great deal of masonic lodges, it raises the question what are they doing? And what is their purpose? The more research I do I find that masons have reached the highest echelons of our society for example there is a great number of American presidents that are masons. i was so fascinated that I saw an induction to freemasonry ( through means I don't wish to share) but couldn't hear much of what they were saying. it looked very odd, alarming and quite scary (probably because I wasn't supposed to be there). can anyone please elaborate in what they do and their purpose without diving into crazy conspiricies. there must be a logical answer to what they are doing. can anyone here help?

 

{Ed033's Note - If you're the average joe bloggs businessman, the reason for you to join a lodge (if you're accepted) is to gain business contacts. In theory, if you're a Freemason then another bother Freemason is obligated to do business with another Freemason over a non mason. As a Freemason, if you're business hits bad times or you go bankrupt and you start again, then you can be helped out to gain new business through the Freemasonic networks.

But there is more to [Scottish Rite] Freemasonary because if you're the average joe bloggs businessman, it doesn't matter how long you stay in Freemasonary, you will only reach and stay at level 3 (Master Mason) and you will see other people come in after you and rise up the levels. This is because there are 2 [Scottish Rite] Freemasonarys. One is the blue lodge which contains only 3 degrees and another which has at least 33 degrees.

The rituals were originally about hiding information inside the rituals so the Roman Catholic Church didn't know what the information was. However the rituals have been corrupted to the point that they are now essentially meaningless and it's only at the highest levels of Freemasonary that there maybe some real secret information.
frankyscouser
11 Sep 2015 11:20:35
i can only speak for a man (ralph) I knew ,hes died this year ,he had a romance going with the mother in law for 7 or 8 years and was a decent feller ,i brought up this subject to him and he would not have any of it , he was quite high up in the lodge he was in but did admit its you scratch my back I scratch yours, I will give you a example ,
a few years ago a family member had been accused of stealing money from the mother in laws and ralph admitted in a quiet tone that one phone call, this person would be jailed ,i believed him , we got on well ,he invited me to something called the buffs ,its like a charity night were you have a three course meal and can win prizes etc I went a couple of times and I noticed all walks of life but they keep themselves to their cliches .

so my theory on lodges/freemasons is the more exclusive the lodge the more dark it gets .
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Discussion #12534Talk Sense

10 Sep 2015 22:16:49
Cannot attest as to the validity of the information contained in the following sentence. I've been told the RAF has temporarily stopped spraying chemical weapons in Syria at the request of the Cyprus government but still plan to resume operations on Saturday.

The particulates in the air on the island have reached 8000% of the allowed limit, the local press admitted that the dust clouds are toxic and issued a warning to stay indoors, schools remained closed beyond schedule but plan to open tomorrow.

Are they seriously waiting for the weekend to restart spraying? The situation is beyond belief. Murdering people on a schedule so as to maintain the "business as usual" facade.

 

frankyscouser
11 Sep 2015 11:27:48
zari I would attempt to get this information out there to the public, mainstream media will not do it , its done to us , I will post tweets about it today and at least try to get info out .
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HERBIE
11 Sep 2015 13:01:56
If this 'war' is starting to put neutral country's at risk surely they would have to come up with a different approach.

Next we will hear that 'Isis, al Qaeda, Assad, Mickey Mouse or whichever fall guy in chemical attack on Cyprus' the leaders of this world are beyond repair.
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zari
11 Sep 2015 17:06:23
Thank you franky and I agree, it is up to us to change the ways of our species with every effort being a step in the right direction. Information is power.

Herbie, the poisoned stream media on the island have been terrorising its people for about a year now, reporting that ISIS is active on the occupied side of the island. It helps them gain support on the middle east murder campaign and will likely serve as a fallback plan for military operations on the island. They could follow the west by arresting local "terrorists", people who are anti-establishment / deconditioned / pro-logic.
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frankyscouser
11 Sep 2015 22:17:32
zari a lot of people are retweeting your info on twitter, one guy asked me is there a link to this info?
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zari
11 Sep 2015 22:46:40
I've got contacts in the island's military franky.
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Discussion #11979Talk Sense

10 Sep 2015 20:54:56
Murdoch has bought the national geographic. Nothing is sacred anymore.
Expect new evidence stating global warming is not an issue.

 

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Discussion #2399Talk Sense

10 Sep 2015 19:36:39
Why does west want to invade and destroy the middle east? Well first of all, the arab states wanted to make there own currency.the new currency would be made of gold and puts the wealth of the arab countries back to the people.called the dinar ( if my spelling is correct).why would this annoy the west? Well the new currency would make the dollar near enough worthless.it would cause a depretion in America and all countries using the dollar.basically we are murdering people for money while we say "you can't put a price on human life" its about time we practice what we preach, money isn't the be all and end all.the western countries would still survive we would adapt.but the west just doesn't want to give control of the worlds monetary system to the east and that's what its all about CONTROL of money.

 

zari
11 Sep 2015 18:14:59
In 1975 the German government issued payments to the families of all the people they had killed during their invasion and occupation of Greece. In agreement with the then Greek government they calculated the cost of human life to 175 drachmas. A sum which when adjusted for today's inflation translates to 140 euros. The Greek government then proceeded by issuing a legal act to withhold 96% from each of those payments.

Modern "economics" correlates cost of life to income. No mention of contribution to society, notions on humanism nor the sanctity of life. Blunt monetary policies and the broken humans that draw them up, enforce them and abide by them. Have compassion for them as they will not evade their reflection forever.
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Discussion #2398Talk Sense

10 Sep 2015 17:34:40
Satanic music industry. a lot of people say that that the music industry is dark and evil, it's not quite as simple as that. the use of symbols in the background of music videos and sneaky hand symbols represent duality, knowledge, control and light.

let me explain, duality just means the good and the bad like the Ying, yang. everyone is both good and bad no one is perfect and you can't have good people without the bad to compare it to. usually represented by a butterfly symbol usually tattooed on some artists. knowledge, well hidden knowledge, a.k.a. the occult which just means hidden.

they believe they see what we don't, usually represented with an owl symbol. when you break it down, everything is made of light. very true, that's why they say light IS knowledge. control, whether it means religion or the way you have been conditioned by the western education boards.

it's true that with those two elements it WILL effect the way we think and our moral decisions. That's why the elite are educated in places where the average man can't go. they know that the majority of people are affected by the above elements. there's your element of control usually represented by a triangle ( which has another meaning along the same lines), which I will get on to later in the post. light also means knowledge and everything is made of light. It also represents the light bringer (satan) who they believe gave them that knowledge.

really, it's all taken from the Egyptian book of the dead, which was one of the first widespread religions. that's why you will see a lot of Egyptian symbolism in music videos; from pink Floyd to modern day rap artists, the symbolism is the same. to rap this up, the artists and the elite have practiced this old religion, which has been incorporated into modern day religions.

i'm not saying god doesn't exist, i'm just saying it's been adapted from the Egyptian book of the dead at a very low level. There's too many similarities between modern day religions and the book of the dead. it's basically a big metaphor of the sun and its movements. they're trying to say that the sun is god.

you have to appreciate that the world wouldn't function without the sun. the triangle symbol also represents the natural order of humanity, meaning that the top has control of the bottom whether it's through religion or monetary systems, the closer to the top the more money and occult knowledge you have.

Most music artists are still low level initiates, they use things like the 6 hand sign representing satan or light. they do this because they want you to believe that it is satan. They're not exactly going to tell us that it all means light. the true religion of the elite is the sun and astrology.

frankyscouser
10 Sep 2015 18:47:34
not my type of subject this but a lot of artists are branded as being part of the illuminati , like jay z for instance but the people who make the videos and incorporate the symbols never seem to get any publicity ,maybe if we knew the names of people who made videos for maddona/jay z and co then we could join the dots.
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zari
11 Sep 2015 00:01:12
Hey defender of humanity. I believe the satanic label is a continuation of organized religion propaganda, the serpent and apple allegory. Apples are said to represent wisdom, just like owls. As for the snake it appears to have more in common with the Kundalini, a practice whereby one concentrates on raising their consciousness from the lowly to the heavenly. The hermetic caduceus is one symbol of this, though it shows two winding snakes, which are meant to represent both masculine and feminine energies.

Light is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum just like sound, whereas the electromagnetic spectrum is a part of the energy we can perceive. Thus everything is energy vibrating at different frequencies.

By control I assume you are referring to the conditioning we are subjected to, as control is an illusion. One only controls that which surrenders unto him or her.
It is evident that if one can afford it they will receive better education, but that in no way makes them superior. Self education is the key to knowledge, as the only limitations involved are one's own, self imposed limitations.

The triangle is meant to represent the trinity, the conquering of a duality. That is, from the union of two the new is born.
The square is meant to represent structure. The foundation upon which something can be built. It can also symbolize rigidness and in that aspect imprisonment, but that is due to all the different possible structures. With different seeds one can grow fruit baring trees, flowers or weeds.
I doubt anyone is in a position to decide on the natural order of our species. We live in disconnect with nature and as a result in disconnect with ourselves. A child growing in different environments, in the "wild" or a city, will evolve into a very different being. That is before taking into account that we have the ability to evolve consciously at a rate incomparable to physical evolution.

I wrote a post as a reply to Jase's post not long ago on why constellations, planetary movements, our satellite's phases etc. affect us. If you are interested it can be found through the search function or by searching through page 2 or 3.

Finally on the matter of the occult, all knowledge is built on understanding natural laws. There is a reason physics used to be called physiognostics. It translates to knowledge (gnosis) of nature (physe). Nothing is hidden to those who search.

That is a good idea franky. Something similar should be done for films as well.
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Discussion #12533Talk Sense

10 Sep 2015 09:59:45
There's a documentary called "Beyond Treason: The True Story of Depleted Uranium" (I haven't checked if it's the whole video) that exposes the use of depleted radioactive materials in shells and their effects on both the local civilian populations and the soldiers using them.

This situation is different however. For a chemical cloud to form it means whatever the RAF used was already in gas form. So much for the rhetoric of allies and EU camaraderie.

If I sprayed insecticide in a RAF soldiers face I'd be labelled a terrorist, why don't we hold them to the same standard? Those issuing the orders and those following them are equally responsible, for neither could operate without the other.

The True Story of Depleted Uranium documentary

 

defender of humanity
10 Sep 2015 19:49:46
Very true I posted a similar article.the shells according to the rules of war its perfectly legal to use,as long as there not used for the chemical properties.its just not right i'm really not proud to be a British tax payer its just funding murder by terrible means!!
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Discussion #9306Talk Sense

09 Sep 2015 12:43:20
signed a petition about a month ago to have Benjamin Netanyahu arrested when he arrives in london in september , a token gesture I know , over a 100k signed the petition so the government had to reply to everyone , under uk law and international law they have no power blah blah blah but I could contact my local mp and ask them to debate this .

a few people might know my local mp was fast tracked into my city and has many run ins with people to which police raids have occurred ,some have been far right nutters and in no way am I defending them but some have been liberal and open for debate , anyway I decided to email her this morning and asked her to debate in parliment about netanyahu, I was very conscious not to be one sided in my email as the middle east is very complex but I wanted action from mp, I think I wrote something on lines its ironic that international law stops netanyahu getting arrested but netanyahu takes no notice of international law when it comes to the rights of the palestine people.

anyway it will be interesting the reply of the former friends of israel leader .

will keep you posted her reply.

 

KimPhilby
09 Sep 2015 16:27:36
Are people going to do this for every foreign leader that visits London?

After all there's a few others equally indictable as well.

I remember the anti Pinochet protests several years ago. Another of your more shameful periods supporting him.
{Ed033's Note - Isn't your MP Jewish, frankyscouser?
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KimPhilby
09 Sep 2015 21:11:57
She is.
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frankyscouser
09 Sep 2015 21:44:05
yeah miss luciana berger
{Ed033's Note - that's why she was fast tracked and interesting that you asked her to deal with Benjamin Netanyahu
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frankyscouser
10 Sep 2015 00:34:03
i done it for two reasons
1. it stated in the petition response from the government that there hands were tied but I could ask my local mp to debate .

2. when I get her reply I want to know what angle she comes from. yes I know she will never debate it but is she going to be firmly behind BN or is she going to give a political fob off?
{Ed033's Note - you'd guess she might partially agree with you and then say she'll see what she can do, (which means, she'll do nothing)
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frankyscouser
10 Sep 2015 11:19:50
if she's clever, which I suspect she is, I expect her to use the political jargon that she can do nothing, but I am hoping to catch her with her guard down as I believe she was fast tracked into my city for a reason. I think andy burnham was being groomed to be the next labour leader as soon as he entered Anfield 4 or 5 years ago, when he promised to get answers for Hillsbourough and I think Miss Berger was always going to be part of his front/back bench. I have seen her twitter page and she's firmly behind A.B.

Now it looks very unlikely burnham has any chance and if as I suspect, corbyn wins, you are going to see the evil side of any pro zionists MPs coming out on any matters regarding the Middle East.
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Discussion #12532Talk Sense

09 Sep 2015 08:22:53
The British sprayed Syria with chemical weapons either yesterday or the day before. There is a cloud of dust and chemicals all over Cyprus, which is only 90km away, and their military is informing its soldiers to stay inside and wear masks. Lots of people on the island are getting sick with symptoms including vomits, diarrhea, fatigue, dizziness etc.

 

frankyscouser
09 Sep 2015 10:17:46
shocking.
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defender of humanity
10 Sep 2015 00:32:17
The western armies have always used chemical weapons but most of it's very discreet and unorthodox. They use depleted radioactive waste in shells for tanks, the law allows it as long as its not used for its chemical properties. kind of a loophole in legal war tactics. problem is when wars over the radioactive dust settles into the ground to be absorbed by the plant life and food supply causing all types of cancers and birth defects. mostly on civil population. the government knows this but still uses them with impunity. it's not right but we basicly allow them to by not protesting about it. We have to rise up and stop all kinds of chemical warfare. we should start a petition for that, use of such weapons are just not right
{Ed033's Note - that's a cowardly, desperation tactic, using chemical weapons. It's terrible.
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KimPhilby
11 Sep 2015 18:15:55
There's a lot of cowardice in war. First world war with gas, second world war bombing cities, Americans in Vietnam, the use of suicide bombers including brainwashed or forced children, its a sick world.
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Discussion #11978Talk Sense

07 Sep 2015 23:46:41
Ken o Keefe interview with press TV is worth a tune in to. No illusion where the blame lies.

 

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Discussion #11977Talk Sense

07 Sep 2015 22:02:39
Russian submarine with 20 ICBMs and 200 nuclear warheads is sailing to Syria.

KimPhilby
08 Sep 2015 13:43:44
Source?

Just wondering who's reporting that.
{Ed033's Note - The original source appears to be http://www.debka.com/
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KimPhilby
08 Sep 2015 17:11:43
Thanks. Interesting escalation.
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