06 Oct 2013 10:41:09
And ed, don't forget that te whole top floors that weighed so much had to come down on the below building, too much weight for the girders, because when one girder goes, everything goes.
Gobblemaster
{Ed001's Note - utter lies. Your knowledge of basic physics is non-existent if you think that. There would be twisting, moving, sliding forces impacting on the building. None of that was in evidence. They simply collapsed in a cloud of dust, there was no lateral movement whatsoever. If one girder went up near the top, why did that floor not collapse over towards and bend? Why did it simply drop down? Even Hollywood film effects wouldn't make such a ludicrous attempt at a building collapse on film, because it simply doesn't happen. That is why recent films, such as the Transformers: Dark of the Moon and Avengers Assemble don't have tower blocks collapsing when hit by the aliens. They base their effects on what it is believed would really happen, they spend a lot of money on the special effects computers, which use physics modeling to decide how to make the effects. Why did they not show their tower blocks all collapsing after a hit? Surely, if your ludicrous nonsensical assertions were correct, they would want to do that, as it would make for exciting scenes as they crumbled away on screen.}
Why would a building be heavier at the top than the rest of it gobblemaster? Dear me.
Supasub
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Gobblemaster I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with anything on this site but mate you come across as a troll and your looking for a wind up.
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06 Oct 2013 12:38:03
But ed, the paper and wood inside the building is flammable and made the fuel temperature even hotter which melted the steel girders, and I saw a documentary which labeled that the girders that melted were in the middle which made te building fall straight down, not slide.
Gobblemaster
{Ed001's Note - that is simply not true, paper and wood burn hotter than fuel oil now do they? The documentary you saw was simply a lie, the girders that would have been hit on the plane's entry would have been the first to go. Their structure would have been weakened and twisted, they would have been first to go, if any. What you saw was a lie, not a documentary. Like I have said many times before, the building, including all girders in the structure, were designed to cope with this impact and fuel oil burning without collapsing. It would not be safe to have a tower that tall, in such a built up district, without numerous safety measures, such as being able to stand up to impact. That is why they require controlled demolition to bring them down.}
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I'm sorry guys, I'm not trying to troll or anything, I just don't believe and do not see why the government would do this to there own people, really shocking what happened, I apologise if I come across as a troll
Gobblemaster
{Ed001's Note - there are many conspiracy theories about, most I don't believe in either, but this one definitely has something to it. The facts just don't add up to the story given out in the main stream media. I have no idea about 'black technology' or holograms etc, but I do know that the official story is utter nonsense. It doesn't even come close to reality, which is why I assumed you were trolling. I can understand people disputing, for instance, the shooting of JFK, or the events surrounding Diana's death in Paris. But this one is so well documented, that it is easy to check up things like how hot steel needs to get to melt and compare that to the heat that fuel oil burns at. It is also easy to check up building regulations in the city to see how all towers have to be designed to withstand the impact of a plane. It then becomes difficult to believe what we are told happened is really what did happen. Then you add that to information like the 1950s plan to fly a plane into a high building and blame it on the Communists in order to bring in greater powers for the US Govt to crack down on them. That plan is freely available to read, as it was released under their 'Freedom of Information' legislation. Then you factor in that the govt and its employees denied any such plan ever existed or that there had ever been any plans made should a plane be crashed into the towers. All of those things add up to one big lie, somewhere, someone, or some group, are lying about what happened that day. The only real questions are who, why and what really did happen? Oh and I apologise, I did think you were a troll, so my mistake, sorry.}
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06 Oct 2013 15:27:17
Na mate, my mistake, I guess I was just being stupid, all your points make sense, but it's just so hard to believe, I'm 50/50 on this and will look up 9/11 in the search function, watch some videos if there are any, sorry about my. attitude lol and I will look out for some things
Cheers
Gobblemaster
{Ed001's Note - naivety is not the same as stupidity mate. It is difficult to believe that a government would do such a thing to its own people, unless you are a keen student of history. When you are, you see repeated instances of it happening over and over again. You also see how propaganda is used to present the view the victor wishes to present. For instance, Alexander is known as 'The Great' in the West, but in the East he is remembered for having villages put to the sword. In the West we are taught Genghis Khan was a mass murderer and inhuman killer, yet he was actually far easier on the area he conquered than his contemporaries in Western Europe. Even as recently as World War 2, we are told that Pearl Harbour was an unprovoked attack by the Japanese against the innocent USA. In fact, the USA had been deliberately picking at Japan for years, including the invasion and assimilation of Hawaii, just prior to their referendum, which was almost certain to vote for Hawaii to become a province of Japan. That is not to say Japan was innocent either, they were an aggressive empire, looking to conquer new lands, but America did everything they could to antagonise them into a direct conflict. Also, despite the story told, they knew the attack was coming, but never did anything to protect the base so that the resultant outrage would put the US public firmly behind a war (sound familiar?). Politicians lie to the public constantly, putting their own interests ahead of the people they are meant to represent, so it is not really a surprise that a government made up of politicians can not be trusted!}
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