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Discussion #10259Talk Sense

18 Jun 2013 01:16:26
C'mon people, wake up please.
Putin and Obama are both puppets of the NWO. They control both sides, now I don't profess to know who the NWO are, but it should be pretty obvious to most posters on here that whoever they are, they are certainly controling things.
Their Modus Operandi is divide and rule and its so much easier when you control both sides.
Look at Northern Ireland where the G8 is being held. The absolute praise the 'Peace Process' is getting from Obama.
Well the truth is slightly different to what they would like you to believe.
The IRA split in 1968, forming two seperate organisations, the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA. The 'Provos' advocated a campaign of terrorist warfare against the British. I shall never forgive them for missing Thatcher in Brighton, but I digress.
On the other hand the Official IRA elected to undertake a campaign based on non violent socialist principles and would take part in a referendum or any other meaningful political process. The British Government said that under no circumstances would Northern Ireland be anything other than British.
So the bombing campaign was begun by the Provos who formed their own political party, Sinn Fein. SF stated that their aim was to have a united Ireland. The Provos said they would not stop bombing until the war was won and Ireland was again united. Two sides to the same coin.
Fast forward a few decades of bombs, killing, death, fear, greif, pain and increased police powers. Gerry Adams leader of Sinn Fein along with Martin McGuiness Military Commander of the Provisional IRA do a deal with the British Govt and relent on their only demand that Ireland is united. In return they end up being elected as well paid MPs. You know, murderers made MPs? Does it not seem odd? Responsible for the attempted murder of a PM and allowed to meet the Queen? Then again, at least McGuiness gave her a Masoni handshake.
They now get to rub shoulders with Obama, Putin, et al, at the G8.
The purpose of The Troubles, as some like to call it, was to create fear, to increase control. The 'Peace Process' "showed
what Democracy can do, " said Obama. Unfortunately he is right. His democracy and the democracy of the NWO brings death and destruction. Sound like Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan? Does to me.

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Putin hates the NWO He or Russia is not part of the NWO.

Do a search on you Tube and watch Putin's rant against the NWO

Putin has pointed the finger at the NWO for the collapse of the world's economies what other leader did this?

America and Russia do not play good cop, bad cop

Unless you have lived in Russia its a hard place to understand even if you have lived there (and I have) its difficult to understand the russian psyche unless you really get into the russian mindset.

Have you ever been to Russia?

They care not about the west, their nation state has not been broken down and they are very patriotic, they have a totally different idea of their country then people of the west have of their country.

Of course there is bad is Russia there is bad in the UK or Ireland. I am from the czech republic but live in Ireland for a long time now I consider myself as belonging to both countries.

The stupidy that goes on in Ireland (a NWO country like all eu countries) is astounding but really is it stupidy or is it NWO doctrine? Russia may have other problems but is does not have the NWO stupidity.

If you think there's no difference between Russia and the west you are mistaken.

Everyone knows who runs America and the EU its an open secret, if you do some research you'll know too.

These are not the same people who run Russia.

On occasion Russia and america might work togeaher for example scientists from both countries worked on the gnome project and they work on space projects or rather america relies on Russia to go to space that does not make them NWO buddies.

Even countries that don't like each other sometimes so-operate for money or other reasons and sometimes my enemies enemy is my friend, however that does not cover over fundamental differences.
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I think both of you make valid points, if you look at Russia's stance with china and north Korea and Syria all independent countries they publicly stand behind them, why to stop the nwo?i do not think so, I think it is more to protect their assets, to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.
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Russia wants to Stop the NWO as once the NWO has encircled Russia and China its WW3 and people in the west would be wise to see this!

Russia does not have substancial assets in north Korea, what are these major assets!

It was Putin who told North Korea to shut up with the rhetoric. Sergei Lavrov had a pain in his aspe with N. Korea as its close to Russia and they did not want america near any of its borders.

China has assets in North Korea though and is much more influential in and Korea than Russia!

Of course Russia was protecting its assets in Syria, Russia has a naval base in Syria and close ties to Syria defending one of your partners does not make a country a Gangster country.

China and Russia have close ties as has India and Russia. While China and India don't get along (china supports Pakistan) that's politics.


to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries

The US is not only looking for Money its looking for influence.

Why was the Col. In Lybia Killed?

Simple he wanted to do away with the dollar for oil and he wanted other countries to come along with him. This would be terrible for the USA both in money and influence terms.


and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.

Russia could get away with "screwing over many countries" as you have put it - if it wanted to - but it chooses not to do this. Why? The Russians actually want peace but are not afraid of war.

How many countries has Russia invaded?

To my knowledge the last time russia invaded a country was about 200 years ago. (Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same).

Russia did not start the war with Georgia, Georgia attacked Russians based in enclaves in Georgia and under the Russian constitution Russia must come to aid its people no matter where they are in the world.

Russia has tropps in Syria ready to evacuate thousands of Russian Citizens should the need arise and they will take out any forces that get in their way to accomplish this if they have to. (Special forces don't come better than the Spetsnaz).

Russia has bad press and they don't help themsevles I have endured Russian BS and its not funny. America is constantly telling us how bad they the Russians are for instance a ball player in america who met putin while in George Bush's company many years ago who gave putin his winning ring is now many years later telling the press Putin Stole his ring. I am sure Putin must be Laughing his aspe off.

Of course there are bad Russians there are bad people in every country but where is the Russian aggression towards other countries?

Who are the countries threatened by Russia?

Russia could have done a real number on Georgia but stopped.

Where is the russian invasion map its easy to see the american invasion map just get an atlas and look at where the wars are happening in the world

As for no democracy in Russia its a huge country covers about one tenth of the world's land surface. Russia can be a dangerous hostile place and soft goverence would result in anarchy in Russia, most russian people know Russia needs a firm hand of control.

Where is the democracy in america the american people who were occupying wall street were beaten and sent to prision for this what different to Russia?

America is just better with the press russia cares less.

All those Russian haters should go to Russia its a great adventure, there are plenty of helpful, nice russians and dangerous ones too. If you are nice to the Russians generally they will be nice to you but if you insult them well generally they don't take kindly to mother russia being slagged off.

I have huge respect for the russians as I have for people in most countries. I like the american people its their government that is the problem!
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The NWO is an idea created by a few people, it's a long term business plan, Intergenerational that's 100's maybe even 1000's of years old, at the top there is a few, they are the teachers, the one with Knowledge (Knowledge is power, money is nothing) what you see with Putin, ect is the lower rankers just trying to get their small share of the future. IMO

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McGuinness and Adams part of the NWO agenda? Seriously mate, I think that's a bit too far fetched even for my sponge-like (maybe gullible) brain.

Martin and Gerry were born in the drab and dreary cities of Belfast and Derry respectively. There is no person on this planet can convince me that they are part of this NWO agenda. They were born into somewhat poverty, viewed as second class citizens in their own country by invaders.

Growing up, like many of us citizens of the North of Ireland, they watched how the simple aspect of where you lived and which religion you followed could have got you, or your family murdered.

They were both members of the 'RA', although it is still disputed just how involved they were. They watched British soldiers take 'pot shots' and create mayhem by killing children in Derry on (Bloody Sunday). They became members of a paramilitary organisation, in the hope that they could claim back their country which was taken from their fellow countrymen before.

'The Troubles' as people like to refer to it, was a continuation of a war that started long before the 70's. After much (too much if you ask me) bloodshed, both here and in mainland Britain, Sinn Fein decided that party politics was the way forward. After more lies from the British government, empty promises, and even lies to the Nationalist people from their own 'spokesmen'. Splinter groups of a Republican mindset have popped up all over the show, there is no real peace on this island. Growing up, most people of the Catholic religion, wanted, as we say "Brits Out". The rest wanted to stay part of Britain. It's still the same.

Adams is now part of the government in the South of Ireland. McGuinness is the deputy minister of the North. Two former top 'Provos' in high positions of government on the island of Ireland. The only agenda they have, is to have a united Ireland again.

However, now even the Nationalists of our country are at logger-heads, they believe Sinn Fein sold us out. Catholic policemen have been blown-up and shot to death as they are viewed as collaborators of Britain.

The country is still in dis-array, and I fear it always will be while Britain still has it's mitts on it. So to say 'The Troubles' were a method of creating fear or control is plain stupid. The stuff going on in this little island has been going on for centuries.
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Discussion #10258Talk Sense

17 Jun 2013 09:08:28
ireland is a free country my ass total lock down for the G8 an not one protest shown on the tv
red rrab

 

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No EU country is free

Ireland is carrying out the EU instructions the Nation State is being totally broken down

The national media cannot say a bad thing about Merkel or Obama

Shame such a lovely country being destroyed!
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Ireland has always been hammered, look at the so called potato famine, the English used Irelands crop for the troops in their overseas wars and the royal households, yes there was a blight problem, but not as big as we were told about, the English had troops guarding the crops and plan facts are this!
This was Genocide just like the Highland clearance but folk have short memorys eh?
Nothing has changed, it's just a little more slick these days.
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The saddest thing about the famine is that there really wasn't a famine. Another case of history being written by the winners. No other crops were affected, the blight was exclusive to the potato, and there would have been plenty of food to go around had most of it not been exported.

The population of Ireland was around 8.5 million when the so called famine started. When you consider England's population was about 16 million at the same time, it is not unreasonable to consider that the population of Ireland today would be in the region of 25 million, as opposed to about 6 million currently for the 32 counties.

So when you think about what is written on the Georgia Guidestones relating to reducing the world's population to 500 million, it doesn't seem either a new or far fetched idea when you look at it in the context of mid 19th century Ireland, and what is commonly known as the famine, but was really just the deliberate starvation of a nation.

Ryan.
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Agreed Murp, there was a blight, but the Brits created the famine. All sorts of grain and livestock were available to the indigenous people, but the settlers, landlords, and politicians decided they would ship this produce abroad.
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Discussion #2289Talk Sense

17 Jun 2013 00:35:27
Anyone else finding the words of the new leader of Iran a bit frightening?

He said that Iran should be looking forward to re-engaging with the West!

This just smells of old war techniques to me. The USA having predetermined figureheads ready and waiting to grab hold of the positions of power in the relevant countries.

It's happened again and again, all over the world. Usually with the corporation (USA) the successor after the pain and destruction.

Once the NWO get hold of Iran, I fear this will be the start of the war to end all wars (for our generation anyway).

It will end up the West against the East, and whoever the hangers-on choose. We will see technology used that we cannot comprehend, millions of deaths on an unprecedented scale. I for one am frightened, I watched the re-run of Putin on RT News earlier, and he doesn't give one iota what anyone thinks of him. He cut America down with words no other leader would dare speak.

I think with him, China, Korea, Iran, and any other NWO haters getting together. the s**t is going to hit the fan.

 

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Whats wrong with hating the NWO

Do you want to be a NWO slave?
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America does not intimadate Russia

Never has and never will

Should putin not be lauded for standing up to american tyranny?

Russia has a LONG standing contract to supply arms to Syria

Have the west got a contract to supply arms to the rebels in syria?

Since many of the rebels in Syria are non nationslas and just there to cause trouble should they even be in syria, of course not.
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17 Jun 2013 13:45:30
And what about when non nationals were crossing the Syrian border to attack british and american troops in iraq. Don't think they should have been there either do you? I know we shouldn't have been there either but Syria stirred the pot enough. And so did Russia. And given Putin's human rights record and suppression of the media he's a fine one to talk about tyranny.
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I didn't say it was wrong to hate the NWO. As for Putin speaking out against America and Britain, I say fair play to him, at least he has the balls to speak out. I was stating that because of his lack of fear of the USA and his friendliness of other anti-American countries, I can see a nasty war starting.

Not to be rude, but people who comment on a post should really read the thing properly before replying.
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I read your post mate!

You did not say it was wrong to hate the NWO

But you implied it was dangerous to do so read you own post again!
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Discussion #10257Talk Sense

16 Jun 2013 20:57:54
Pablo, I think what people are on about when talking about the Boston Bombings is that the US were knew and probably set the bombs off themselves.

The guy in the wheel chair is debatable.

It's there on camera that the same actors/actresses are being used in SH and the Boston Bombings. and I think the cinema shooting.

 

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I'm more than happy to entertain other considerations regarding Boston, such as the FBI knowing about it in advance. The killing of the friend of the bombers in Florida is also a huge controversy and a blatant cover-up. he was assassinated ffs. what did he know?

However, the post on this board which I replied to related to a web page that debated one thing - a series of photos relating to the site where bomb 1 exploded. The majority of the photos were taken from one angle and within a short time frame.

Some of the points made were interesting but were anything but conclusive as other available photography was not considered. For the author to suggest that some of those maimed were already amputees and so were wearing prosthetics is cruel and insensitive. Other photos show death and body parts. Negating this with the words 'actors, agents and liars' is not on.

Also, if the FBI staged the whole thing, why? Why go to all that trouble to fake death and injury when killing a few civilians is far less of a chore. They helped kill around 3000 on 9/11, so why feel the need to go all Hollywood about it now? In Oaklahoma and on 9/11 all the Feds cared about was leaving paperwork they wanted to lose inside the buildings while making sure all staff were out of the area.

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One of the more curious aspects of the boston bombings was how people reacted in the immediate aftermath of the two explosions. Now I don't know about any of you, but I would be terrified that there might be more explosions about to go off at any moment. I didn't see any evidence in people's body language that they might fear a third explosion and that jarred with me right from the start.

Also in the link Ed gave, there is a video where there are three guys taking photos of the scene. The two visible are dressed the same. One is at ground level. The second is about maybe 10 foot above ground, and the third it seems a similar height above, though you only see through his perspective. The second guy seems very aware of no. 3, and is careful not to block his view. It just seems to me like three guys doing exactly what they expected to be doing, recording the aftermath of the explosions very calmly. All in a day's work. I wouldn't have been able to hold a camera steady in that situation because I would have been terrified another explosion might go off at any moment. But not out three cameramen. Steady as a rock in the face of danger.

Or did they simply know they were in no danger?

Americans are always banging on about living in the land of the free. They are the least free people in the so called developed world. I feel sorry for them to be honest. I'm so glad I live in Europe.

Ryan.
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I think the bombing was done to help ensure the gun law was not passed through a month later, definitely something dodgy about it all
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Discussion #10256Talk Sense

16 Jun 2013 17:22:21
guys I am a Pakistani. Generally speaking do you think Muslims create these terrorist attacks or THE USA pay some group to attack these vulnerable countries? ie, Pakistan Afghanistan etc. Thoughts?

 

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I would say that blaming the states is just as bad as people blaming the entire muslim culture.

personally I think the attacks are carried out by 'terrorists' with the knowledge of that specific countries federal forces.

hence the 'training' exercises at the time of 9/11 and 7/7.
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How is Pakistan under attack?

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - Lots of attacks by U.S. flying death drones allegedly.
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Simply put to me was 'the muslim terrorists now are what the IRA was 20 years before that and whoever was before that, a convienient name behind something more sinister
huddz red
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I think it's both, I think the US have tried to encourage terrorism.
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Thanks for that Ed033 I'll have a look. Ryan.
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Discussion #10255Talk Sense

16 Jun 2013 16:39:12
Things are about to get worse. Iran have sent troops to Syria in support of the Syrian government. the Yanks won't be happy.

I'm guessing a false flag attack is on the cards.

 

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Iran & syria have a pact to defend each other in times of war so that should be no surprise.

America has created a mess in Syria
Here's why
There are 4 different strands of religion in syria. All may want to be dominant in Syria and that is difficult enough? However many of the rebels are not from exactly the same religious background further complicating the problem. Many unfortunate poeple will die as a result of the mess america made.

Of course its all Putins fault, isn't it? he should have just let america steam roll another country giving the lunatic in-breds in the NWO their way!
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Discussion #10254Talk Sense

15 Jun 2013 11:50:00
{Ed033's Note - The Boston Bombing Actors - article 1 of 11

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr114.html

 

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The most thorough analysis of Boston I've read so far.

Ryan.
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After Sandt Hook and Boston, i'm certain 9/11 was an ijside job, I am also worried at how these actros are relied on 2 keep hush? Anybody think mind control or death threats are used? How are they covering the loose ends? Is it far from reality to think a mind control project is being used?
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It's a compelling argument, but I'm not buying it for a second.

In other photos, better photos I may add, you can see a lot more in a lot more detail, including the dead girl lying next to her mother just a couple of yards away, plus the pieces of the legs (such as a foot) of the guy who was filmed being wheel-chaired out. Horrific and tragic; nothing less.

The first rule of conspiracy club. not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Pablo
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Pablo, I don't think you understand.
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If you could add a link to the better photos you mention, I'm sure we would all be interested to have a look at them for ourselves Pablo.

Ryan.
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Discussion #1941Talk Sense

15 Jun 2013 11:09:30
short video clip from Alex Jones asking Ed Balls about Bilderberg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FoUXzhuzkQ

Geordie Al

 

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Discussion #10253Talk Sense

14 Jun 2013 18:08:45
So now the US is arming rebels that kill and behead women, children and people that disagree with them.

They're just War criminals and Terrorists!

 

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14 Jun 2013 22:55:25
Both sides are as bad as each other. We should just leave well alone, keep out of it and let them get on with it. Cut the nwo have their plans.
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Draw a line from Aleppo to Islamabad. Once the US take care of Syria, Iran will be the last piece in the puzzle.

Ryan.
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Has anyone mentioned the Britvam hack yet?

Britvam, a British military contractor is hacked and out of it comes a lot of documents and email correspondence. One of the emails show a big-bucks request from Qatar to source Russian-made Sarin gas shells from Iraq or Afghanistan in order to create an Assad chemical attack on Homs for the media to fall over themselves covering. yes, a British company being asked to set up a Sarin gas event in Homs.

In the event the Yanks decided to make something up instead because Assad, supported by Hezbollah, is winning this war.

I can't imagine that Russia and China will wait until the West is sitting on the border with Iran before escalating this. I also wonder what ideas the EU states have for their excess/surplus youth population.

Pablo
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How are both sides as bad as each other?

The so called rebels are mostly not from syria

Syria is a prelude to Iran which is a prelude to war against Russia

Once Russia is toppled America can do as it wants or so it thinks but its impossible to defeat Russia.

I know Russians are not popular in GB due to propoganda but if there was no Russia to counterbalance the good old USA things would be a lot worse

Of course america will never defeat the russians but the mad hawks in charge of the american administration can't seem to understand that!

The Russian arsenal of weapons is awesome so too is the arsenal of the usa however the russians are much better equipped to lauch intercontenental missles than america.

And America has no answer to Tople M.

America should forget about Russia however it can't the dollar is doomed (only a matter of time) and it needs Russia out of the way before it can enslave mandkind with its one world government and one world currency.

Think about it afer russia is gone who would lead the revolt against america?

The eu is on the same side as america.

China has the manpower but not the technology!

India has some good technology but they make poor fighters!

Interesting times ahead!
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The excess youth population of the EU only applies to non skilled people according to Ms. Merkel.

Ms. Merkel suggested that young people with poor skills should leave the EU although she did not have an exact destination for them to arrive at.

As the nation state gets broken down among eu countries this problem will continue to soar. Where will it lead?

In france (same as every other eu state) there are scores of apartment buildings where people don't speak the national languge - why where these people brought into france (and other eu states)?

And now why do they want people like this gone from the eu?

Why are eu countries bring in non nationals to work on 4 hour contracts with the governments of these countries having to subsidize and house the people these multinationals are employing?

One contradicts the other?

Something is not quite right?

Anyone know?
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Discussion #10252Talk Sense

14 Jun 2013 12:34:06
So, as of today the White House officially supports terrorism and will arm the Syrian rebels. Osama must be laughing his head off.

Captain Needa

 

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14 Jun 2013 22:59:56
Its a bit odd, we're fighting them in Afghanistan but supporting them in Syria. Does it make sense to anyone? Theories?
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They've probably been arming them for longer than we think.

Rise & Shine
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We've certainly been training them, but what 'arming them' means is to give them some serious hardware that states 'made in the UK'.

If we've been arming them thus far, it will be with the likes of AK47s. What we want to arm them with is anti-tank weaponry because that's the type of kit that could prolong this war for another 12 months or more.
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Osama is fiction

Made up to frighten and take away rights from people

Many terrorists are on the payroll of the CIA
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Discussion #8995Talk Sense

14 Jun 2013 10:42:20
that murderer who killed two policewomen and farther and son who got life looks like a demon of the tv show supernatural, I know his eye is missing but black hole and definitely black heart.

 

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Yes and now we all have to pay to keep him there for the rest of his life. I do think for extreme circumstances, multiple murderers, child killers etc they should just be given a lethal injection or something, when the evidence is crystal clear and cannot be questioned.

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Although I see where you are coming from supasub, I don't think the death penalty should be brought back, as much as the people you say should face it don't deserve to live, I don't think it's ever a good idea to end a life. These monsters should just be left to rot in jail, and even though it costs the ordinary citizen x amount of money, our hands will be clean of murder!

The only time I think the ending of a life would be suitable would be euthanasia (pretty sure that's spelled wrong)
obviously, with the person seeking it being of sound mind and making the decision on their own!

Peace

Jay
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Ps! I understand my opinion may not go down to well, but that's the beauty of this page, to share and debate opinion!
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Jay that would be fine if they do "rot" but unfortunately he'll probably be on the playstation, playing pool or say working out in the gym. Hardly rotting.

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14 Jun 2013 23:07:06
Murdering people, abusing kids, forcing yourself on people, surely by committing such acts of violence you forfeit the protection of the rest of society. At the very least prison should be tough, no playstations, no gym. Basic food, inmates made to do education and proper reform. Proper help on substance abuse. Stop being soft with career criminals and trying to understand them.
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Might not be all fun & games for him there's supposably 20k out for his good eye!

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Discussion #10251Talk Sense

13 Jun 2013 23:07:32
Some of you may know this already but seeing as its not been reported on in the UK I thought i'd suggest you all check out the citizen's hearing on disclosure, it's a mock congressional hearing on UFO'S infront of ex-congressmen and women hosted at the national press club in Washington. ITS TIME TO END THE TRUTH EMBARGO.

YorkshireRED.

 

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