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Discussion #10267Talk Sense

21 Jun 2013 13:18:37
I don't usually bother but I've been buying a paper the past few days I pick & choose what I read & what to believe but did anyone see the 2 KKK members who had tried to create some
Sort of Death Ray supposably to kill Barrack Obama through X Ray Radiation I don't know how far they got building it but if 2 moderately Average Gentleman can do this what kind of devastating Technology do the American Government have that we don't know about I know the Ed usually mentions Black Technology I'm not too clued up on that I've only watched that 9/11 video u posted how far do you think this kind of stuff goes? Also see the British Governments releasing there latest UFO files today along with a nifty app unfortunately all the good stuff managed to be "misplaced!"

Frankly I know u like a good movie mate & this is an old one if uve not seen I recommend it's Capricorn One about a falsified Mars Mission it shows how sneaky the American Government can be and how they will stop at nothing to cover all tracks & eradicate "Whistleblowers" and the likes.

Rise & Shine

{Ed033's Note - Black technology aircraft of the 1980s part 1 of 2

 

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You just called to members of the KKK 'gentlemen' hang your head in shame please.

GBI
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Discussion #10266Talk Sense

21 Jun 2013 12:14:10
The sooner we can all start standing together against our oppressive rulers we could avoid most of the atrocities the plan to carry out. Its obvious the people in charge use the media to create divides among the masses, perhaps that's why newspapers remain cheap. Weather its religion, race, nationality or even an north south divide we're been pushed apart so its easier to be controlled, if people can look past colour and which God you believe maybe everyone will see we're all in the same boat being guided into the abyss and can help each other out.
I mean is there anything more ironic than a Christian that hates Jews.

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Discussion #8997Talk Sense

21 Jun 2013 11:02:51
anyone see question with Russel brand? listen he is not my cup of tea as a comic but that guy is a very intelligent man who spoke very well and had the audience in his pocket that even boris johnson was quieter than normal, if that guy went to be a independent I would vote for him today, nothing but respect for the guy, as for the media writer Melanie Phillips, jesus you have to watch her going in to meltdown about Syria/Iran more or less saying destroy them, her Zionist views came out that she got booed by everyone then she lost the plot again and called everyone persons, even bumbling boris did not want anything to do with her, it is a must watch on tv iplayer or no doubt youtube, everyone who thinks Zionism does not exist in the media should watch this, that evil women showed their true colors.

 

Garbo
Got a link Franky?
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frankyscouser
Russell Brand and Boris Johnson on Question Time, there you go mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0AanDR-_0
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Has anyone heard of a book called the protocols of the elders of zion. I have watched a peice on it on youtube but the guy who does the talking sounds creepy. I wonder if any of you guys have any info or an opinion on it. cheers.

{Ed033's Note - It doesn't matter whether the protocols of the elders of zion are fake or not, if you read them then each protocol is already in place anyway now.
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Russell brand on MSNBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJhErmJuoQ
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I seen it Frankie! He did raise some valid points! Half way through it though I got the impression some one was giving him his answers through an ear piece! I may be wrong but the answers he gave were top notch compared to anyone else on the panel!

RR!
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Discussion #10265Talk Sense

21 Jun 2013 00:59:12
The death penalty that is being discussed is being approached the wrong way. It's not about morals, well not entirely, it's also about providing a deterrent.
I read in the news yesterday about a prolific graffiti artist receiving a 3yr+ sentence for his renegade artwork, then I read about Paedophile Stuart Hall receiving half that sentence for molesting several young girls.
What kind of punishment is that? Hall will serve half that sentence and his "punishment" will equate to a couple of weeks per victim!
Think about that, paint on a wall without permission = 3yrs, abusing a child = a few weeks. I mean it, actually stop for a few seconds and digest that information, think about it.

The deterrent has to be fair yet effective. There have been numerous cases, where convicted sex offenders have been released from "rehabilitation" and have committed further crimes against children. In those cases, neither rehabilitation nor the jail sentence have been effective. Solution?

Go a step further. Death penalty. Not a wild vigilante swordfest, instead, a well thought out and debated, structured and effective system. Surely, with the correct people in place, a week would be enough for lawyers, judges, politicians and human rights activists to get round a table and find an implementable plan. This "problem" has existed for millennia and requires an equivalent sized solution.

Would you even consider stealing a pint of milk from Tesco (other supermarkets are available) if the penalty was execution?

Jimi88

 

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Jimi if anyone steals a pint of milk from my local tesco they deserve to be executed there and then. Why bother with a trial? Just kill them as they walk out and let that be a lesson to everyone else.

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - Judge Dredd style
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The death penalty should only be for people who kill children and serial killers.
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frankyscouser
Rr agreed we need to be a 100% sure, mentioning a case from africa is not relevant, a 3rd world country sentencing anyone to the death penalty would make me wary, the high profile cases today as a example Stuart hall/saville/bridger I have nothing but contempt for what they have done and everyone effected to those victims are never going to be the same.
me now I would still go for the death penalty even in halls case, age should not change everyone's views as age never changed his views when he molested those kids.
right my interpretation of who should get the death penalty is the young disabled and elderly to open it to everyone who kills opens a can of worms like self defense.
finally the "let him have it " movie if I can remember it was the interpretation of the "let him have it" was the main reasons he got hanged, the kid who instructed him to let him have it claimed he wanted the guy to hand over his gun to the copper, the accused claimed he was egged on by the kid to shoot the copper and in to the mix the accused had a mental age of 12 or 13 I think? like I said that opens a can of worms that's why I would go for the death penalty for the vulnerable.
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I've been ranting on about bringing back the death penalty for years. All the do gooders that stopped this for the human right issues and what not makes me livid. With DNA as good a 100% accurate and youve got a murderer bang to rights sorry IMO its as the good book says eye for an eye. This would take care of a lot of issues and any sane person would think about the ramifications if caught.

{Ed033's Note - I think they want you to think that DNA testing is as good as 100% reliable but allegedly it isn't any where near.

Also one of the reasons the death penalty was stopped was because people on juries were finding people innocent of death penalty crimes because they didn't want a death on their conscience. Obviously it's different nowadays, now that nearly everyone has been desensitised to killing other people through schooling / movies / tv and video games.

The reason they first started schooling for the masses in the early 1800s was because they found out that a lot of ordinary people who were in the army in the 1700s, missed on purpose when they were firing at the enemy because they didn't want to kill someone else.
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^^^^^ what about that bloke in oz raped more than 10 times they let him out an he does it again an killed the girl. so no to the people who think give them help for a better life. do you think with all the help in the world her mother an father will be ok. no they wont. bring that ****er to the towns square an hang him. bring back the death peno. shanks
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Discussion #10264Talk Sense

20 Jun 2013 14:55:01
In response to a post almost at the bottom of the page about the death penalty!

Someone asked " if someone killed 5 members of your family you'd be happy for them to "rot" in jail with a ps3/4 or Xbox" etc.
No, I obviously wouldn't be "happy". Who would be after losing 5 family members? Also, if the killer did face the death penalty for his/her actions, that wouldn't make me happy either! Nothing would bring the lost ones back, so another life being lost wouldn't make me happy good sir!
To be perfectly honest, I think it's disgusting some people want the death penalty back, very messed up indeed!
The death penalty goes hand in hand with religion - outdated, stupid, backwards and bonkers!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

 

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Look Jay I agree with your Morals but & it's a big but look at Ian Brady he's been trying to starve himself for 15 years wasting us good taxpayers money on like that is the only reason why I think Lethal Injections should introduced our Jails are full & maybe people like Michael Adebajelo, Anders Brevvik and all these other Murderers would think twice before they kill innocent people or Paedophiles before they Defile a poor child and change that Kid forever they have no right to do what they do so therefor give up any human rights they once had if they've to live then it should be in a p*** soaked rat hole with a couple of plates of Porridge a day & 20mins fresh air!

Rise & Shine
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frankyscouser
Happy is the wrong word when it comes to vengeance, me personally would not lose any sleep if a convicted child killer got the death penalty or like I have mentioned in this subject that if people are against the death penalty then no segregation for anyone in prison, the nonce's have been protected inside for to long, let them be helpless like the children they have scarred or killed,
my vengeance is definitely not religion based just my own thoughts mate.
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Garbo
@Jay, The death penalty is not just there for the victims family or some sort of medieval eye for an eye, it’s also there to act as a deterrent to would-be pedophiles, rapist, murderers. I believe in the death penalty for horrific crimes, especially ones on children or elderly (most vulnerable in society). Actually if it was up to me, it would be a lot worse than death some would face

Garbo
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gibsy21
All these people against the death penalty for pedos etc, have you ever worked for the police, social servies or even spoke to a surgeon who had to do emergency surgery on a toddler who has just been abused by a group of men and or animals ( not being vulgar, check the copine scale the police use its an official scaling system) some people are no more human than the chair i'm sitting on, not as a result of my categorization, but of theirs.
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But what about the ones found innocent after receiving the death penalty? It's happened before! What about their family's?

RR!
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Discussion #1942Talk Sense

20 Jun 2013 08:57:25
http://tinyurl.com/mgo2xma

David Icke warned us about the elites doing this, 20 yrs ago! that's now another thing he has been proven right on. I used to think he was a preposterous tin hat wearing saddo, but he keeps getting things right.

My hands are literally shaking, at the possibility of the other things he has talked about! Truly crazy.

 

Garbo
Icke definitely has his finger on the pulse, nothing but respect for the man
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Yes I seen this but it's rather flawed immortality they say there are so many things that make us human, who in there right mind would give up such things as Food, Sex, sleep, alcohol taking a mean dump you know the finer things in life haha in all seriousness though how would it work would u plug yourself in at night what happens if u burst a hose? If know ones buying food & water gas fuel etc how does that help the Elitists I think it's complete rubbish to be honest.
Is it just these Elite who will be given this "immortality" the cream of the crop wouldn't that leave them vulnerable as I do not see how machine can conquer man unless they have some sort of Terminator technology.

Rise & Shine or is it Rise of the Machines
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Hazel O'Connor sang about this 25 or so years ago

(On the) Eight Day listen to it on youtube
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frankyscouser
I think most of us (the older guys) thought icke had lost the plot when he came out with all this stuff, listen I believe aliens have been in contact with us but ten per cent of the icke stuff I can not get my head round like royalty and world leaders being aliens, well true he has a point they are not human, the rest of ickes thoughts are right on the money, makes you think if he is right about world leaders and monarchy being aliens.

{Ed033's Note - Just to clarify, I think David Icke means certain royalty / world leaders are possessed by non human entities from a different "dimension" or "realm" rather than physically being non human entities and its at certain types of their rituals, they try and possess people with non human entities
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Discussion #10263Talk Sense

19 Jun 2013 14:04:40
When I turned the T.V on yesterday I caught the end of an interview on tv news, talking to some posh fella (i didn't catch the liars name) about how the family's of all the soldiers lost in Afghanistan should feel, his answer did make me chuckle, according to him as there has not been in incident similar to 9/11 since the forces have moved into the region the service men and women did not die in vain. Now don't get me wrong he does have a point the Taliban haven't been blamed for anymore attacks but if anyone seriously believes that's because the terrorist master minds have been defeated you need help. For thousands of years soldiers have been paying with their lives for 'causes' made up so the people with money can simply make more money, right back the crusades i'm sure religion wasn't the only motive for mass murder.
It did get me thinking though why is there always going to be a conflict weather it be in the middle east or closer to home, now what if they decided to bring all the troops home, a country where unemployment is rife what would happen if the schemers in no. 10 said, "right lads job done, time to come home". Unemployment would double, this ridiculous racist agenda would intensive and they'd be more riots, now these things might well happen regardless but i'm pretty confident there will be another country in the middle east that needs 'liberating' before there's any ceasefire.

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frankyscouser
It makes you think what all this peace talks with the Taliban is all about, call me suspicious but is this anything to do with Syria and giving the Taliban help like in the 90s? was it the west saying "we do not negotiate with terrorists"? next they will be calling them freedom fighters.
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They are pulling out because the poppy crops future is secure. Output more than doubled - job done!


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Discussion #10262Talk Sense

19 Jun 2013 09:58:23
Can anyone shed some light on Timothy mcveigh for me? If he was a patsy and was hypnotised etc what was the reason for whoever behind it to blow up that building up?

Ross.

{Ed033's Note - The reason to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building was the same reason the Nazis destroyed the Reichstag building, why government agencies carried out 7/7 and 9/11, to instill fear into the people that there are terrorists out there so you must give up any liberties you have so the government can attempt to keep you safe with controlling legislation that the people will accept. The elite who own the governments then have permission off the people to totally control them because total control of the people is the agenda of the elitists (or whatever word you want to call them, NWO, illuminati etc.)

It appears that Timothy McVeigh (possibly ex-army) was 1 of the agents that were assigned to place a small amount of explosives in the back of the truck (just enough to blow the truck up) and park the truck outside the Fed building.

The problem was, was the registration plate on the back of the truck was hanging down and McVeigh was stopped by a regular policeman and was later tested for substances on his hands. Traces of explosives were found so after the building blew up (because of placed military grade explosives in the building) McVeigh had to become the suspect (even though he most likely wasn't meant to be the suspect).

What probably happened then was McVeigh would have needed to be "managed" in prison by a mind control expert so nothing slipped out of McVeigh's mouth that shouldn't.

I saw an interview with a woman who was 1 of the few people who were allowed in to watch McVeigh allegedly being killed by lethal injection. In the interview she said it was strange because after they pronounced McVeigh was dead, it looked like McVeigh was still breathing because his chest was rising up and down.

It's possible that because McVeigh was an agent and wasn't meant to be the suspect, he is still alive.

 

RoscoJEF
I see! so if he wasnt stopped then by police then America would have its false flag to blame an eastern country?

i remember something about al queda being blamed for it. I maybe wrong as it was a long time ago when I watched a interview stating it was al queda before mcveigh was in the mix.

{Ed033's Note - It's possible it would of otherwise been blamed on middle eastern's
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Ed033 looking at the build up to his alleged death, and the aftermath, there are many irregularities that make me think he didn't actually die by lethal injection as we've been told. No appeal, no final statement, the IV in the leg, no post mortem, and cremated immediately etc.

I have heard he has been spotted in South America, but I don't know how reliable those sightings are. Do you think realistically they could rely on him to stay quiet?

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - In theory if they always just killed agents after doing a "job" then it going to do any "job" for them. Agents need to at least think they're going to be looked after whatever happens even f they aren't looked after.
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spudv
I've seen a good few videos that claim that this was used by the whitehouse to rush through certain legislation to do with terrorism. In some cases, a good old domestic terrorist is as effective as the middle eastern ones, providing it helps them further down the line.
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Discussion #11790Talk Sense

19 Jun 2013 01:49:56
There were two jail sentences passed yesterday in this country which astounded me. Both were at the opposite ends of the criminal spectrum and they both were given vastly different jail terms. Now, I'd like to know if it's just me who thinks this system is as crazy as it is corrupt. The two I'm referring to are as follows;
Kristian Holmes, a 32 year old surveyor, was convicted of causing an estimated £250,000 damage in his double life as one of Britain's most prolific graffiti vandals.
Stuart Hall, an 83 year old tv broadcaster, was convicted of sexually abusing girls.
Unbelievably, the first man was jailed three and a half years compared to the second man's (for man read 'beast') fifteen MONTHS.
When did society deem the welfare of children to be of less importance than criminal damage? We live in a sick and twisted place if this is the norm.

 

gibsy21
You have to understand that the elites subscribe to satanic ideologies! Satan formally lucifer gives them power etc in return of offering up the innocent energy of kids. Think about it, kids represent the state adam and eve were in before the "apple" incident. The human state Satan wanted to corrupt. Look up Bohemian Grove and Molech, both biblically and in reality. It's a simple case of looking after their own! In Saudi etc pedos get killed thus incidents are much lower than our luciferian run western world.

imo of course.
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With the greatest respect gibsy, that is another subject. I agree the elitist families are involved in these sick practices and have been for generations. My point, however, is that how can either judge justify the sentence they passed in comparison to the crimes committed? Why do we let these people get away with putting cash before children? It's a sick reality.
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Discussion #8996Talk Sense

18 Jun 2013 23:49:44
been trying to find out if labour will get rid of this disgusting bedroom tax and they are none committal, even a local labour politician from Liverpool has criticized that waste of space milliband for not saying one way or another, we all know what that means, they will keep the bedroom tax if they get in to power, I detest tory values but they do their policies regardless but new labour bitch about tories left right and center and when they get in they keep the things they were bitching about, their is no left or right wing now, if you got cameron and milliband in a room alone they would probably agree about 90 per cent of stuff. makes me sick this stuff.

 

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They could swap places tomorrow and nothing would change Franky. The bedroom tax is deeply cynical and punitive.

Ryan.
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I'm not clued up on this but I thought if you rented a house from the council with 2 bedrooms as opposed to one, you simply had to pay higher rent. If you are paying a higher rent fee then you should not have to pay a f##cking bedroom tax, ( sorry getting annoyed now ). If you are on benefits then this must be victimization, because if you ever get a job you will have to pay full rent. Furthermore shouldn't the council's who handed out the housing in the first place be held accountable. Lastly the speed that this was put into place shows quite clearly that it's now a case of them and us.
Rent over, sorry rant.

FTE
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If the councils across the country are really opposed to the bedroom tax they should take a leaf out of Leeds city councils book, they re-classified all spare council bedrooms, thus avoiding the bedroom tax. There reason was that it will cost more to enforce the bedroom tax, than the tax would bring in.

Yorkshire Red
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20 Jun 2013 18:40:26
those on benefits they get most of their rent and council tax paid for them subsidised from taxes of the workers. The ones being victimised are the likes of me who work full time and have to pay for all this crap and then through tax pay to allow the neighbours to sit in their pants all day watching garbage and smoking weed. Maybe not everyone has such neighbours. But the only one's I feel sympathy for are the poor elderly who got clobbered with this too and other young families like myself.
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frankyscouser
No mate you are judging that everyone on benefits as having it custy, trying to get a job now is hard enough but getting a job that pays well is near impossible, don't get me wrong their are scroungers who play the system but governments and media are putting out negative propaganda about people on benefits, I think if you done a poll and asked people on income support if they would work for a job that was secure and was a decent wage would they come off the dole, I think you would be surprised.
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Discussion #10261Talk Sense

18 Jun 2013 20:09:01
Bilderberg (The Builders of Society, Berg means the ice berg, you only see the small part above water, the bigger part is hidden), anyway the point of this post is all these meetings, G8, G10, G20, Davos, IMF, WHO, EU, Club of rome, Royal institute of Internation affairs, Trilateral committee, the committe of 300, The Council on foreign relations and the rest all meet in secret to plan our lifes, but we only seem to focus on the bilderberg group.
Murp

 

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They are called the Bilderberg group because their first meeting was held in a Bilderberg hotel.

That is all

Jimi88
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Discussion #10260Talk Sense

18 Jun 2013 09:36:54
Ed 01 or 33

This is not a conspiracy related, just a question in regards to Liverpool page.

What has happened to Liverpool rumour site? All you can see is adverts and not the proper site itself. Has it been taken over by someone, who have registered the website or has the liverpool site broken down?

Nim {Ed001's Note - we had problems with it, should be back soon, if it is not already.}

 

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