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Discussion #10276Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 21:29:27
The most telling point about the Moon landings concerns the radiation debate. At that time there was no chance they had the protection to pass through the Van Allen belt, every expert confirms this.

One doubter cited the three mile island incident. If it still had enormous readings of radiation and was closed off, remake a suit from the moon landing and go for a walk there. We have to assume whoever did this would be fine. GJ

{Ed033's Note - Marcus Allen presentation on The Moon Landings part 1 of 12

 

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Can you clarify what you mean by every expert? Searching the web, every 'real' expert states that the radiation wasn't an issue. Aside from the protection offered by the rockets cone, the Van Allen Belt can be cleared in about an hour and the story that it is too radioactive to pass through has been debunked by numerous experts. The initial debate was actually started by a Russian cosmonaut, hardly an unbiased or reliable source. I enjoy a conspiracy as much as anyone but we don't help ourselves by making unsubstationsted statements.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, never say "every 'real' expert states" otherwise it could be translated as an unsubstantiated statement
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Discussion #10275Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 20:08:03
Did any of you take the time to watch the Citizen's hearing on disclosure, if so what are your thought's?

p. s I find it strange that in America and Canada it was big news and reported in many major newspapers aswell as managing to get a spot on CNN yet in the UK we hear nothing from the media.

YorkshireRED.

 

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Discussion #10274Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 19:25:58
Just watched the link frankyscouser posted for question time and Melanie Phillips' Zionist should surely raise some alarm bells, i'm sure there are people that wield a lot more power than she does share the same views. I hope more and more people see through the lies and realize Israel are far from the victims. Also I thought it was a fantastic bit of acting by the 'ex army officer' telling the audience our troops are as well equipped as they should be.

always a red

 

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So what's new? The Zionist lobby has incredible power in every aspect of life. Banking, gold reserves, munitions and oil, it is all to some degree controlled by them.

The news in the USA is manipulated to suit the Zionist agenda. The truth is out there only because they allow it to be. Sadly the UK seems to be adopting the same stance. When the leader of the LABOUR party admits to being a Zionist things start to get worrying. GJ
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David Camerons grandfather was Jewish, which would indicate possibley that he too is Jewish. ? He has never actually come out to confirm either way which way he swings in a religous sentiment. I am not saying he is a Zionist, but who knows?
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Discussion #10273Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 16:54:49
ed or even frankyscouser. I ain't the sharpest pencil in the man bag but I believe both u guys say moon landings were faked possibility there is to much radiation?

What i'd like to know is do u think these maned trips to mars will be faked or what's the difference in hardship of going to the moon or Mars other than distance.

On a side note ed we talked about David Icke and how much money he earns. I believe him to be a multi millionaire and you didn't seem to agree. I believe he has earned his money and done well to earn what he has.

My point being my friend a big fan of David pointed me to an interview albeit in the sun and it said he took home after all expenses £300,000 from this tour if this is to be true surly I was right that the man is a multi millionare as he does several a year plus other incomings. good luck to the man I say with all the effort he puts in

red walter

{Ed033's Note - Here's what I actually currently say regarding moon and mars (and I could be wrong and may change my position in the future). The moon videos we were shown and the glossy pictures of the astronauts in the magazines were shot on Earth and if Apollo did get to the moon, it used black technology. Also, there is a secret space program that uses black technology and allegedly goes to the moon and mars and possibly beyond that.

Therefore if there is any reported mainstream media manned missions to Mars, then black technology could get them there assuming the black technology is advanced enough.

I don't know whether David Icke is a millionaire. All I did before is post a video where David Icke says himself that he has no millions of pounds. Possibly he gives money to other people in his family. Below is a video where david icke himself says he hasn't got millions of pounds

 

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Thanks for the reply ed I will watch the vid tonight as I am currently at work. cheers enjoy your night and keep up the good work.

red walter
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frankyscouser
Hey red my position about the moon landings has always been 50/50 with reasons I have mentioned on previous posts, as for icke I have also mentioned that I doubt he is anywhere near being a millionaire, seen him do a interview on this morning and Phillip schofeild asked him the same thing and he said he would swap bank accounts with schofeild anytime, at the minute he is asking for donations or pledges to get a tv show aired.
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25 Jun 2013 01:48:08
Thanks for the reply frankyscouser. I could be wrong maybe the man doesn't want the public to know how much he is making. But anyhow good luck to him he works hard.

Red Walter
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frankyscouser
Mate you have to ask yourself this question, if icke was raking in money, the people he is attacking like politicians, the establishment etc would publicize his asserts and basically paint him as a money grabbing fraud who is money motivated and no doubt his money affairs have been hacked by the elite and they know he is clean that it is why there is just innuendo about what he earns.
my take is whatever credit he earns of books/shows etc goes straight back in to more research conferences travel etc to fight the good fight.
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25 Jun 2013 15:32:59
I know that when david icke was touring Canada (10/15 years ago?) he tried to pay for his son's breakfast at Denny's but his credit card was rejected. So IF he's well funded now he wasn't then, or at least not on that particular day. pea
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Discussion #8998Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 12:11:39
to me now, since Hillsborough has found out about police corruption, any other high profile case has got certain people worried. hence today the Stephen Lawrence case where a whistle blower has said there was a smear campaign. was it self preservation by the undercover detective in the case? or was it a guilty conscious? who knows but the rats are jumping ship and like Hillsborough and the Guildford four, the Lawrence case has corruption and smear campaign leads higher than the police.

 

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This is the problem with our system, the people at the top have their fingers in so many pies and protect their members / family to ensure that they never face justice in any way
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Discussion #10272Talk Sense

24 Jun 2013 07:56:21
anybody seen the paul hellyer vid on youtube? how real is it?

 

frankyscouser
Yeh we seen it last month mate, I do not think he is telling lies.
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Original poster again- how come its not as widespread through social media sites etc? I think there was only about 10,000 views on youtube, news like this I would have thought would be massive
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Discussion #11407Talk Sense

23 Jun 2013 19:40:23
I've recently been involved in a whistle blowing case where my team leader was bullying and intimadating his work staff etc within a care home setting. Myself and a colleague fought hard to remove him. Long story short as he was good for business he got away with it. my colleague left due to it but unfortunately I couldn't as I've a young family, mortgage to provide for.

I couldn't help but feel for the whistle blower Bradley manning and Edward Snowden and how they are a credit to there country, fellow Americans and also decent human beings from all parts of the world. People like them should be commended for the sacrifice they are going through to open our eyes. I wish nothing but the best for them and hope it encourages us all to stand up against our oppressors.

Good luck in your journey to justice.

 

frankyscouser
Ditto and the same to you roscojef.
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Fully agree! Excellent post!

'When the strings of the puppet are cut, will you fall or stand and be counted'

RR!

{Ed033's Note - The strings can get cut just by people talking about conspiracy type topics to others, because with enough people shining a light on the darkness, things have to change, as stuff can't be hidden in the darkness any longer.
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Thanks guys. I should have added that everyday I go to work I get the silent treatment from my work colleagues and every shift is a struggle. All because of the whistle blowing policy that every work place enforce. Well it's classed as being a snitch, troublemaking etc and all for making it a better place to work I've now had to put up with a lot of stick from it.

However it only makes me stronger each day and love taking the *******s on now.

For anyone reading this feeling the same please do it. Its hard but you feel an immense feeling of self worth knowing you've done good/right in the end.
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Good for you mate, don't let the *******s grind you down, stand proud like a lion and don't lie down and roll over like a dog!
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frankyscouser
Its a pity the days of a trade union rep are well gone.
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Discussion #10271Talk Sense

22 Jun 2013 20:39:19
Why all this nonsense about the death penalty on here? It's not a conspiracy whichever way you side on the debate. For what it's worth, being against the death penalty is one of the only absolutes in my life. No civilised society can take someone else's life for any reason.

{Ed033's Note - We are creating a new site so this type of non-conspiracy type discussion can go rather than on here. That way visitors have a choice of conspiracy discussions on this site and other discussions on the new web site

 

Garbo
You call it nonsense and then you weigh in with your opinion. Maybe the conspiracy is why we do not have the death penalty. Maybe the powers at be what to protect certain individuals for fear of their own freedom, for e. g. A pedophile on death row may be very vocal on who his buddies are, more so than when he/she are facing a cushy couple of years in prison. Or maybe the powers at be will find a use for these child killers in the future. Maybe that’s your conspiracy. There are a few cases now where child killers are getting reduced sentences, one off my head was a case in cork where a 16/17 year old killed a young boy of 12/13. This murderer was a neighbor and even went out with the search party to help look for the boy when the notice went up he was missing. This murderer only got a couple of years and is now studying and living in London. New name, new life…civilized society, don’t buy it mate. Garbo
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Garbo you seem to be confused as to what a paedophile is if you equate the killing of all children with them. The case you mentioned was charged as manslaughter and did not have anything to do with pedophilia. The guy did not set out to intentionally harm the poor child that died. While I understand peoples sensitivities get heightened when it comes to kids the guy in question made a horrible mistake and served his time. He is in no way considered a risk to people in the future so why should he not have a chance at trying to rebuild a life?

Captain Needa
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Needa, no confusion here. While pedophilia and child killers are on occasion one of the same, I quite clearly separated them in my post. You say he made a mistake but why didn’t he come forward, why did he help the search party? I also read that there was sperm residue on the child’s underwear but for some reason this was as far as that part of the story went. The time served by this animal doesn’t equate to the crime committed, that was my point. Do you not think so?
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Discussion #10270Talk Sense

22 Jun 2013 19:52:11
what are peoples opinions on vampires? not the movie type but in a lot of cultures about blood suckers etc, also significant individuals believed blood had strange properties and drank it.

 

frankyscouser
Personally I think they are a myth but a author I admire tom slemmen thinks it is possible, here is one of many recorded stories.

http://www.slemen.com/vampires.html
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We are the vampires eating all the other animals
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Discussion #11098Talk Sense

22 Jun 2013 16:26:28
Anyone else think there is an air of desperation amongst the establishment at the minute. The whole nsa surveillance leak has seriously rattled them. All you have to do is look at the death of Michael Hastings in Hollywood recently. pure sloppy and desperate looking means of shutting him up. He had been investigating the whole NSA issue and had apparently made contact with Wikileaks prior to his death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou63u6Ekycc

 

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Discussion #10269Talk Sense

22 Jun 2013 10:44:39
I saw someone mention Capricorn One recently, and I hope the eds won't mind if I mention a couple of old favourites with a conspiracy theme. If any of you haven't seen The Parrallax View, and The Conversation, they're well worth checking out.

Ryan.

 

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Hidden Agenda, Network and They Live are worth a watch.

MrTrotskysGhost
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Haven't seen 'They Live' thanks for that MrTG.

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - When he puts the special glasses on for the first time and sees the world as it really is, he chews bubblegum and kicks ass
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The Lives Of Others is a brilliant film about the Stasi in the 70/80's
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Discussion #10268Talk Sense

21 Jun 2013 13:51:42
There is a lot of mention about the death penalty on here. I understand we still have it for treason. Funny that really what does that mean? I suppose it means crimes of murder like the one on that poor soldier and ordinary people don't count unless of course you are Royalty. What a country this is!

{Ed033's Note - How many politicians would be found guilty of treason in a real court with a real fair trial with a proper jury?

 

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I don't believe it is still allowed for treason i'm pretty sure it was changed to life in prison

{Ed033's Note - We have common law treason and we have the treason act (prison)
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Ed033 is right the treason act was passed through parliament where as common law is still there! Makes you wonder if it was passed through parliament because so many politicians would be found guilty if investigated!

RR!
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