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09 Mar 2013 21:49Discussion #2284Talk Sense

09 Mar 2013 21:25:25
I've recently went back to university, studying sociology with criminology. I was wondering about using the secrets of what happened on 9/11 in my assignment on 'Power'. I don't want to be ridiculed or labeled a 'conspiracy nut', we're told only to use academic sources and material. I know a lot of the stuff online is constantly discredited but I've started to watch this lengthy documentary and it's carried out by very upstanding members of American society, does anyone here think it would be advisable to use this source?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiVv8tQdmY

Not Registered12 Mar 2013 14:37

Maybe talk about the 3rd tower block that caught fire then collapsed? The first ever recorded steel and cement structure to do so? {Ed001's Note - also how the design of all skyscrapers in the city were purposely designed to withstand plane strikes, following one hitting the Empire State Building.}

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Not Registered12 Mar 2013 19:24

I'm sure 1 of the eds has put links upto a couple of books on the subject before.

i'd probably avoid anything net based but if its in print by any certified academic then they can't really complain.

{Ed033's Note - If the university tutor recognises the source as academic, you can use it.

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Boozy8213 Mar 2013 15:15

Thanks folks, I think I'll use the stuff were engineers, college professors, and ex government members have commented. I might just talk about certain questions being covered up by the powers that be, rather than calling it an all out lie.

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09 Mar 2013 16:23Discussion #10041Talk Sense

09 Mar 2013 17:22:02
{Ed033's Note - larken rose - I'm allowed to rob you!

Not Registered10 Mar 2013 13:53

Ed or anyone would it be possible to challenge taxation etc legally or would the legal system back up the taxation even if you managed to prove that the laws were not legitimate and have no true source
Stuart

{Ed033's Note - You can't legally challenge taxation, because in the legal jurisdiction you are taxable. However, in the lawful jurisdiction, you're non-taxable, unless you consent to it or contract with them. Watch the entire below presentation for more info.

Dean C. Clifford - Both Sides of The Story... Part 1

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08 Mar 2013 21:46Discussion #9865Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 22:42:25
Has anyone got an opinion on the warrants of arrests on the pope, queen, archbishop of canterbury, the president of Canada and numerous cardinals of crimes against children?

Not Registered09 Mar 2013 10:31

09 Mar 2013 11:11:55
More chance of moonwalking becoming an olympic event mate. People like that own the police, the courts, judges.

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08 Mar 2013 19:33Discussion #10040Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 20:02:16
I saw this and had to share just in case anyone did not know.

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.

Lincoln was shot in a theater and the assassin ran to a warehouse.
Kennedy was allegedly shot from a warehouse and the assassin ran to a theater.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Ford"
Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln" made by "Ford"

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners, named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both assassins' names are composed of fifteen letters.

But the real kicker is that:
A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe.

{Ed033's Note - JFK's bodyguards being ordered away from the limousine just before the assassination

Not Registered08 Mar 2013 20:32

08 Mar 2013 21:32:12
Nice to see that. Mort

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frankyscouser08 Mar 2013 21:16

Yeah seen that a few years ago, uncanny coincidences in fact freakish as for the bodyguards I watched a documentary on the history channel last year with the only interviews with the bodyguards and they deny it all, they said jfk often told them to move away so the crowd could get a better glimpse of them, they seemed genuine enough but what do I know? one of the bodyguards hit the bottle bad after jfk got shot, in my opinion they got told what to do.

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louisteeth08 Mar 2013 21:46

You may also find that one of the so called assasins (im almost sure its Lincolns ) was related to a certain person called Tony Booth, whos daughter is married to a certain person called Anthony Blair! Ring any bells gentlemen?

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Boozy8209 Mar 2013 19:04

Freaky stuff, I read that before. I watched a documentary a while ago, can't remember the name, but an ex presidential bodyguard was on saying that under no circumstances would they break ranks. They are under strict orders to stay in their positions during a motorcade and he couldn't understand the way the guys moved, only saying they looked as if they moved to make a clearing for the shots to be taken. His face was blacked out and voice was distorted as he didn't want to be recognised, seemed genuine to me.

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Not Registered12 Mar 2013 09:07

In the film JFK isn't there something similar said. ?

What annoys me is that until everyone involved is dead, no files will be released. Also they destroyed a load of files relating to this recently, apparently by accident.

TA

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08 Mar 2013 18:43Discussion #10039Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 19:16:41
Just stumbled upon this chap. Guys and Gals I give you The Late Great George Carlin.

If I were you i'd check out all his videos. Please Let me know what you think.

Alan215

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08 Mar 2013 17:49Discussion #10038Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 18:19:29
{Ed033's Note - William Shatner witnessed NASA's hoax technology before the alleged Apollo moon landing

Not Registered09 Mar 2013 16:17

I still don't think that they faked this, I am sure the Russians would have exposed any fake.

Jonty

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08 Mar 2013 16:37Discussion #10037Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 17:18:49
Going to go on a bit of a rant here but it is needed. We as people need the Governments of this world to stand up in solidarity and give 2 fingers to Mr Rockerfella, Mr JP Morgan and the international banking cartel who have crippled near every country with a level of debt that can't ever be paid back. We need to let them know that they may have got away with what can only be described as the biggest scam in history, for so many years, but no longer will they be allowed to control all the resources and the money of this world. These guys should be hung, drawn and quatered for the discraces in this world that they have caused, the amount of blood on these guys hands sickens me! I can't believe the wars and the depressions these guys have been allowed to cause and anyone with half a brain can see it, but when are we actually going to do something about it? In this day and age there is absolutly no need for any poverty and starvation while so few live such lavish lifstyles with our stolen money. I am that ****ed off at the moment I actually feel like slapping everyone I walk by, telling them to wake up and showing them that they are being bent over and willingly ****ed by the few that run this so called society. sorry bout rant edd but something needs done and soon!

AH72

{Ed033's Note - We still have this major problem of not being able to "wake" people up. If we take the 2 words Govern ment. If we then say 'ment' in latin is referring to the word, 'mind'. Then Governments are about governing people's minds into keeping people "asleep" so that the Rockefellers and Morgans etc. can continue to "screw" the people of the Earth every way possible.

Not Registered08 Mar 2013 17:49

Its a joke, I know intelligent people that I have shown evidence of what these people are doing and how controlling they are and in return I am told that i'm the one that's paranoid lol. I have put time and effort into researching a good few things before I ever spoke out and fair enough there are some "conspiracies" that even I don't think are true but the one that is consistent is this international bank cartel and the grip they have on the world economy. Edd what do you think would happen if everyone just stopped paying the banks back money they owed? Government bail them out again. Haha.
Also I am trying to figure out how to stop tax coming off my wage automatically, without becoming self employed. Because I simply wouldn't pay it!

AH72

{Ed033's Note - What people don't know is with loans/mortgages etc. they are both the creditor and the debtor in 2 different capacities and banks are just the "middlemen" for the transaction. But when the creditor signs the credit agreement (creates a promissory note i.e. cash), they give power of attorney to the bank, which then allows the bank from then on to sign documents as the creditor, which means from then on the bank takes on the role of creditor even though the bank is never the actual creditor.

With the tax issue, the first step could be to have a meeting with your "boss" who pays you and just ask them if they would stop taking tax off your wages because you want to take responsibility for any of your tax liabilities and you don't mind signing something which places any tax liability on you. Surely this would be beneficial to your "boss" if they no longer have to work out your tax liability.

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frankyscouser08 Mar 2013 18:07

To me the only way people will wake up is when it gets really bad, countries that have hit rock bottom revolt and there is the first sign of a revolution, we all bitch about every tax they hit us with but at the end of the day we pay it, but if we hit rock bottom and the working class are all struggling to eat /drink/housing then you will get people waking up and revolting, these elite are clever people they know they are screwing us but they don't go the whole way in case of a revolution.

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Not Registered08 Mar 2013 18:43

08 Mar 2013 19:39:14
People are too busy trying to keep their own heads above water without worrying about other people. Some eejit at work was going on isn't it shocking about what's happening in syria when someone else said blow syria the price of petrol and gas is what's shocking. And in his way he had a point. People will only concern themselves with what directly affects them not something they perceive as intangible. Yes we on this site knows it affects them but they don't, can't, won't see it. And that bit about the working class revolting made me laugh. The working class sold out years ago mate. And anyway the working class aren't even at the bottom of the pyramid anymore. The underclass of dole dossers and the imported slave class of minimum wage drones sit beneath the old working class.

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frankyscouser08 Mar 2013 20:21

No mate some of the dole dodgers as you put it have no option, I will give you an example. my wife was a cleaning supervisor with a computer company and was on really good money, it went belly up because of the recession and she had to take redundancy money, after the redundancy money ran out we had to claim benefits, she wanted to work and found a part time job and declared it to income support thinking its a bit extra money, well after working 10 hours a week she earned Â£2.20p for those 10 hours in fact we lost money because she drove to work, the income support deducted what she was earning from our benefit, my point its not all straight forward genuine people want to work for decent money and as for the working class selling out, you need to look back at what thatcher did before you jump the gun.

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Not Registered09 Mar 2013 10:31

09 Mar 2013 11:04:13
I come from a mining family so I know too well what that evil old cow who's name I won't mention did. She destroyed the working class. that's what I mean about them selling out. Where was the support for the miners? No the better off working class were too busy buying their council homes and trying to be middle class. I know some people have no option but benefits. But that's not an accident. Its the next part of the conspiracy against the working class. It was deliberate, done to keep people down, threaten them with the removal of benefits if they didn't behave. Remember most of the benefits claimants in the 80's were ex pitmen and other heavy industries. Today its just easier to throw good honest people onto the scrap heap. Not to say that some people aren't happy to just milk the system. But again its deliberate. The further erosion of working class values as an underclass was created. The next phase was to import a slave class from abroad who'd be willing to work for peanuts doing the rubbish jobs. All the time further destroying the true working class. How many times have you seen people complaining they can't get work as they have been undercut by cheaper foreign workers? To my eternal shame the Labour party went along with this, aided it and implemented it. The party created by the workers shafted the workers. It has been deliberate government policy since at least the 80's no matter what party is in power to destroy the working class as they fear us. They've turned the better off into docile drones on the 9 to 5 placated with houses, cars and holidays now ruined by the attempt to keep up with the Jones' and they've turned the less better off into living dependent on the kindness of the state. The working class revolting? The working class doesn't exist anymore. Job done thanks to that evil woman and the sell out Tory plant Bliar. {Ed001's Note - brilliant post.}

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08 Mar 2013 16:37Discussion #9500Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 17:05:30
What are your opinions on not one but two meteors seemingly slipping under NASAs radar within a week of each other faily close to Earth. It seemed like no one has seen either come till they were fairly close could the US be practising with their Star Wars project?

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08 Mar 2013 13:12Discussion #10036Talk Sense

08 Mar 2013 12:53:00
So a scientist has come out and said he's solved the hindenburg "mystery". I thought we all knew that though (the official story is nonsense) - the reason it burned was because it was coated in a flammable "water-proofing".
I think it was a campaign to ruin the concept of the dirigible - the cheapest, easiest and oldest (bet you it's fecking ANCIENT) way to travel in the skies for all human kind. pea

Not Registered09 Mar 2013 14:58

09 Mar 2013 15:31:36
if it was ancient wouldn't it be mentioned somewhere? Old yes it goes back to the 1700's

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07 Mar 2013 08:03Discussion #10035Talk Sense

07 Mar 2013 08:50:47
BBC ARTICLE EXTRACT
On Tuesday, North Korea's military command said it would end that armistice on 11 March, threatening "surgical strikes" on its southern neighbour and the use of a "precision nuclear striking tool".

North korea has said it will use nuclear weapons on the 11th of march but the article and wider press only show it as one tiny segment. NWOs way of telling the truth but only putting it in a small section and not having it highlighted?

Not Registered07 Mar 2013 10:28

No, I just think people would rather read about Kate Middleton and her baby, so the press focus on that instead.

Adam

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Not Registered07 Mar 2013 19:46

I'm not sure I understand what the and Koreans are upto.

Yeah they have a million strong army. With mostly 2nd hand Chinese castoffs from the 70's.

This new guy I don't get the move. His dad managed to at least keep the peace for 20 years even depsite the nuclear weapons programme. The guy's got to know if he kicks it off Korea is toast. Or does he know how badly messed up they are and its a case of if their going down then trying to take as much of their opponents as possible with them?

The Yanks surely have some right dodgy high end black tech. I mean back in the 80's they were talking Star Wars defence programs and spent billions on it. Bush Jr carried on from Reagan and as far as I am aware Star Wars was never cancelled and continues to be funded. (Why else does the Pentagon have a Space Command? its got zip to do with spy satellites. )

So if anyone did flip a missile at DC ot NYC or LA so example the Yanks wouldn't be too worried?

And its not even like the and Koreans are anywhere near mounting a small enough warhead onto a missile based on what all the "experts" are saying.

Even the Chinese seem to be trying to reign them in a bit. I guess they don't want to see the Yanks get beat before they can pay their debts.

Mort

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Not Registered08 Mar 2013 03:17

I really don't understand what's going on with NK. I mean they really can't be THAT stupid? Or is there something else going on?

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LP08 Mar 2013 08:04

Recently Kim-Jong Un passed a law that all Koreans should have one of 28 specially selected haircuts, I think the North Koreans actually are THAT stupid.

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Not Registered08 Mar 2013 08:32

I think stupid is probably the wrong term to use when generalising an entire countries population that have a horrible communist dictator in power.

Melbourne CFC

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06 Mar 2013 21:14Discussion #10034Talk Sense

06 Mar 2013 22:13:16
{Ed033's Note - Take Back Your Power, Upcoming Smart Meter Documentary - Official Trailer

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06 Mar 2013 20:59Discussion #8938Talk Sense

06 Mar 2013 21:57:46
i urge everyone to watch a documentary made by a Irish film crew about president Hugo Chavez a man I don't know a lot about and to be honest I will research more about in the future, I will give you a backdrop on the video america were Venezuela's allies due to it supplied america with oil and the rich elite who ran Venezuela before Chavez got in to power, once Chavez was the leader he decided to increase the price of oil to the united states and spread the wealth to the whole of Venezuela then surprise surprise the USA condemn Chavez as being another militant dictator (sounds like gaddafi to me) anyway just watch it would love opinions from everyone including edds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c

Not Registered06 Mar 2013 23:56

Great shout Franky,

This documentary was shown twice in one week over here it Ireland when it was first aired, such was the amazement with it. The amount of interference by the US that is evident in the show is an indication of the nefarious ways they do 'democracy' within US circles.

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Boozy8207 Mar 2013 16:46

I watched 'The war on democracy' which began speaking about Chavez then covered the 'forced democracy' which the Americans applied to most Latin American countries. A very interesting documentary, the ignorance of the CIA is shown, when one of their cronies is asked questions, his answers are frankly embarrassing and just shows their mentality. Definitely recommend watching it on youtube

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frankyscouser07 Mar 2013 18:36

What played out in Venezuela in 1992 mirror images what happened in Libya and now in Syria all countries supply oil and when they wanted america to play ball and pay there fair share the next thing these countries are accused of human rights issues against there own people and being a threat to world peace with having a so called dictator running there country, its groundhog day all over again, I do hope Venezuela people elect someone credible and not a puppet elected president.

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Boozy8207 Mar 2013 19:14

Supposedly Chavez' right hand man will be next in line, hopefully there's no messing around with the election and he gets it. The normal people of the country, will certainly not want one of the other, American affiliated politicians gaining power. If they do manage to get an American puppet into power it will be a sad time for Venezuela, dragging them back years into poverty, whilst the corporations make lots of money off of the peoples resources

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frankyscouser07 Mar 2013 19:23

Amen boozy amen.

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