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PLenty of countries still have national service doesn't make them a power. The Turks couldn't even get the Greeks out of Cyprus so that ends ur obvious weak armed forces knowledge.

Friends with Russia? We operate alongside America on all fronts especially when concerning the Russians the cold war may be over but there is still no trust and a recent increase in Russian weapons ensures there is uneasy times ahead again

The yanks never lent russia nothing, infact they wanted them to bleed dry when the soviet union broke up in to different nations,thats were uncle sam stepped in with there comercial franchise, eg mcdonalds,burger king etc etc,like i said i think russia are bad in there own right, but the yanks are utter evil, you prob think if it wernt for tom and jerry we would be speeking german by now. Frankyscouse

Why let us escape ed? {Ed001's Note - Hitler was a known Anglophile and harboured hopes of an alliance to conquer the world together. That is why it is alleged that his tactical error at Dunkirk was done deliberately.}

{Ed033's Note - Allegedly the Germans let the British escape at Dunkirk.}

Maybe to see if there is water under the surface?

You also should know that it is (or at least was not too long ago) compulsary for turkish men to serve for their country in some form of armed service. So taking that into account and if there was a war thats alot of potential soldiers who could step up. Thats not including the sheer size of turkey and their population

Thats your opinion and you may well be right but i have to disagree. At this day and age theres no one on one fight, If Turkey were to go to war i'm pretty sure and confident they will be backed by Germany who were also a major force back then. They don't lose their hunger and knowledge over night. Its just like if America go to war they will be backed by us. Don't underestimate 2 countrys who have stayed out of the lime light. They don't run their mouths like us and the Yanks. The less they stay out of the lime light the more time they can go undetected in developing their bombs lol. You just don't know these days.

Azza

My guess is the former considering how the yanks operate, thanks ed

Well the bomb certainly would have, but jet fighters and v1's wouldn't have, desperate gambles really.

{Ed033's Note - Allegedly the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Japan actually were stolen from the Nazis by General Patton. The Nazis didn't use the atomic bombs possibly because they had a far greater weapon that wasn't ready at the time which was the technology used in the Nazi Bell project - Joseph Farrell wrote a book on the Nazi Bell - here is an interview with him - www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU

Yeah thats just odd. Why did they throw so much money, time and effort into all this high end research when they were losing the war?

Ok i know the theory that they just moved underground, but its just odd to me. {Ed001's Note - because they thought it might turn the tide, the right weapon could have turned the tide if it was powerful enough.}

Ed thats what i was alluding, some sort of tech that we, ordinary joe public don't know about.

{Ed033's Note - Ok sorry. The Nazi's had some pretty high tech as well at the end of the war with the Bell project.}

On my flimsy knowledge it would have to have been some sort of tech we don't know about. The amount of lead needed would have doubled the weight of the rocket, which would have needed to have been double in size again, this of course leads to several obvious problems.

{Ed033's Note - Haven't you heard of black technology. Possibly et technology or ancient technology that could be 100s more advanced than you think we have.}

It was bizarre. And if you mean the d notices, then that goes on a lot as well. If you haven't seen it i think you would the Jason Statham film Bank Job which covers similar area's. With a more believeable plot.

{Ed033's Note - The secret space program allegedly encompasses a number of countries including russia and america but at a higher level than the presidential level.

There was a report called the Brookings report which all governments agreed to and that was to hide any evidence of ETs. As there is allegedly evidence of extraterrestrial activity on the moon every government has to keep quiet.

The russians can't mention black technology either so they keep quiet about the moon.}

If they did not land on the moon would the Russians who where in space at the time why have they not disputed the american claims that they had not am sure they would have if they had thought they had not

{Ed033's Note - If there is a secret space program separate to NASA that uses non-rocket black technology and other black technology to go to Mars/rest of the solar system etc. then it is possible they could have given NASA radiation shielding for the Apollo missions. The only part of the Apollo missions that could be fake is the pictures/video of astronauts on the moon because they didn't want to show us what's really on the moon. Here is what is probably on the moon - Jose Escamilla's film: Moon Rising, showing the Moon in colour and anomalies on the Moon - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-2N4L5rCA&feature=fvsr

They might have been a nasty bunch in the first war and their football thugs might be handy against lost football fans but they would last about 5 minutes in a modern firefight against the yanks, russians or chinese.

Thats the thing, everyone has their own bias, non of them are 100% reliable, its all down to your own personal bias.

Er yeah go have a look at how much US banks lent the Russians in the 90's.

Face the facts Ed001 knows alot more about the subject.

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - hard to say, he might know something I don't, but I have read nothing that changes my opinion that something dodgy is going on. What it is I have no idea, maybe he does!}