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No one has said it was holograms it was merely thrown up for discussion, people need to stop jumping to conclusions and on the defensive.

JWalk

Sorry to bring this up again but Azza have you watched The Arrivals? The significance of Israel is that it is where Zion is to be ruled from.
Raz

The amateur clips and pro clips are irrelevant, the few there is could be very easily edited, no one knows the exact origins of them, very sketchy, also a very high percentage of the eye witnesses are directly connected to the media. Ive seen them videos before ed, to anyone who hasnt they well worth a watch (aside from the terrible set haha), the 'dustification' of the metal in seconds is crazy aswel, some mad stuff going on,

I think sometimes this conspiracy stuff does go a bit far. None of us are scientists - you can't say 'the wings would have done this or that' - yes there's some steel but it's being hit by the full force of a flying jet and the buildings are mostly glass! You could just as easily say that the sheer momentum of the flight would mean that even if the wings snapped off they would still more than likely end up in the building rather than falling to the ground outside.

But I do feel that all this chat about graphics and holograms in nonsense. Planes crashed, people died. The questions that need answering are: who is responsible (which we think we know) and were explosives used to bring the buildings down (yes)?

Holograms?! No Planes? Have a SHRED of respect for the people that died on the planes and when they hit the buildings.

Raz

Frankyscouse I am not necessarily saying it wasn't a UFO but you do know that at the time you filmed this, there were loads of people sending up chinese candles or whatever they're called?

I have to disagree with the above posts about it not been a plane , i was in newyork at the time and although i did not see the impact i was close enough to hear the plane in the sky and the sound of the impact . I can say 100% it did not sound orcastrated and if you were there like i was it would scare the life from you .

But wasn't there 'amateur' footage from people on the ground, of the first plane hitting the tower?

Adam {Ed001's Note - I think that is the whole point of the hologram theory, to provide that footage.}

Muslims are lovely people you can't blame all muslims for what a few do if thats the case every one in the west should get the blame for what Hitler did or what the Americans have been doing since
bigfluppy

Ed is there any videos about the passengers who supposedly died on the planes being fake or made up, thats the only stumbling block ive ever had with the no plane theories, cheers

{Ed033's Note - I don't remember any videos talking about the twin tower planes' passengers but allegedly only a fraction of the families of the people who allegedly died on the planes ever claimed for compensation. Normally a much larger percentage of the families of people who die in plane crashes claim the compensation on offer, which is 1 anomaly. An anomaly that could be explained that if no one died in those planes that's why virtually none of the families claimed the compensation.

No planes hitting the towers could explain why no "black boxes" were found and why the alleged planes made manoeuvres that some pilots say are impossible and impossible at that low altitude. Also no hijacked planes also explains why there were no "Arab" names on the official flight lists and explains why some of the alleged hijackers are allegedly still alive. The no plane theory explains a lot.}

{Ed033's Note - I always had a problem with the plane especially the wings "melting" into the building. The wings should have fallen off at least as the wings could not have sliced through the steel in the building and the plane should not have totally entered the building. This means if you watch the above video interviews with evidence, you may come to the conclusion that the american news media added the planes in as computer graphics.}

It would be hard to pull off convincingly today, never mind a decade ago.

I egt the idea, but no i don't think it happened like that.

Its called terrorism no matter who did it, and nothing is so terrifying as flying a jumbo in a tower. Even if they had to give it some assistance to come down.

{Ed033's Note - Here is possibly some of the best evidence of no planes on 9/11 at the twin towers

www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=9&part=1
www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=9&part=2
www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=9&part=3

www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=10&part=1
www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=10&part=2
www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=10&part=3

www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=25&part=2

Correct me if i am wrong but you are saying that they using a non existant trick of the light to crash into 2 tower blocks and collapse them? Ignoring the 100's of witnesses that clerly saw a plane fly into the towers?

I don't believe that we know the full story of that day and agree that some very dodgy things happened but this is one of the more dafter things i have heard. {Ed001's Note - I think the theory is that they used to explosives to collapse them (which they pretty much would have to have done anyway, even if planes had crashed into it), rather than a trick of the light. The trick of the light is allegedly just to fool the eye into believing it was caused by a plane. I am with you though, it is not a theory that makes sense to me at all.}

Ah i get what you meant now.

ED i'm not getting bogged down into the rights or wrongs of the situation, or why it was rejected. Personally i do agree that they were right to reject it, and i do agree that overall the Israeli's have done a lot wrong probably more than the other side, although i can't agree with walking into a cafe and blowing it up. I was just showing that it is a historical fact that the side that started the fighting was the arab's, they fired the first shot's in the 1947 war. Not mainstream media fact fiddling like matey suggested. Both sides have equal claims to the land, the we tried to sort it out, failed, handed it over to the UN to do the job it was created for and they failed. They all need their heads banging together really.

I'm not sure i follow your ancient Britons argument. By ancient Britons i assume you mean the various Celtic tribes who emigrated over. But i was under the impression that they were the first settlers, or is there something else that they are not telling us? {Ed001's Note - no, Celts were later invaders of the land, mostly coming over from Frankish lands after being pushed out by the Romans sweep through Western Europe. The Britons were a separate group. Obviously back then there were much smaller populations, so less friction when sharing the land, there was plenty to go around. It is much more difficult now, our belief systems have changed, thousands of years of hatred are ingrained etc. Tolerance for others seems to have been bred out by years of media propaganda feeding us hatred for anything that isn't the same as us.}

Yeah it was from wikipedia, its also historical fact. Or are you the original smartarse that came out with the mainstream media comment and didn't like it when i proved you wrong. {Ed001's Note - hardly historical fact, it is one side's view of the moment, not necessarily a fair one. It makes no mention of the original Arab reasoning for the rejection, so provides no balance. The UK was not originally owned by the Brits, it would be a similar thing to thousands of ancient Britons moving in and then telling the local populace to get out of their country. How many would accept that? It is a difficult situation, there is good reason to sympathise with both sides, it is a shame they have never learnt to live together peacefully.}

Sorry but who is he?

Ok cheers Ed

Holograms are possible now mate.

JWalk

This isn't star trek you know. Apart from the fact holograms aren't possible now, let alone 10 years ago, but you would need two ports and one in the sky woudnt be possible

Look close at the videos on youtube obvious they were not planes that crashed into the towers.