29 Oct 2021 21:20:53
I have a question for Ed and the flat earthers. I don’t believe this theory but I also don’t believe everything I’m told and am prepared to listen to the other side of an argument and have watched all the videos posted here. However, the flat earth videos do contain a lot of contradictions and bad science. For example, many I have seen state the sun and moon are in fact only about 4 miles above us. Some of these same videos then also say that we have never visited the moon and can’t get out of near earth orbit.
Now I don’t believe in flat earth or the moon conspiracy, but if their assertions are true then
1) Standard air flights are at 5-7 miles up, so we would be flying above the sun and moon
2) Referring back to point 1, there would be no near earth orbit as our planes are already above the moon and so could presumably land on it :)
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29 Oct 2021 21:27:45
TJ70 I would be interested in your evidence or source that the moon is a light source? Because the moon is a massive rock like the earth. The reason why the sun gives us light is because it is undergoing a fusion reaction and the results of that reaction is photons getting emitted.
If you want to get technical, everything does give of light, but not visible light. Any blackbody that has heat emits electromagnetic radiation. For humans, we emit light in the infrared spectrum, which is why thermal imaging works on people. The higher the temperature, the higher the frequency.
In other words, the moon gives off low energy light but the moon is not nearly hot enough to emit visible light. The material on the lunar surface reflect the light from the sun to shine.
Read discussionTJ70 I would be interested in your evidence or source that the moon is a light source? Because the moon is a massive rock like the earth. The reason why the sun gives us light is because it is undergoing a fusion reaction and the results of that reaction is photons getting emitted.
If you want to get technical, everything does give of light, but not visible light. Any blackbody that has heat emits electromagnetic radiation. For humans, we emit light in the infrared spectrum, which is why thermal imaging works on people. The higher the temperature, the higher the frequency.
In other words, the moon gives off low energy light but the moon is not nearly hot enough to emit visible light. The material on the lunar surface reflect the light from the sun to shine.
29 Oct 2021 23:03:33
Yes ed33, like I though, your confused and don't understand the inverse law of light. Put your hand 5 inches In front of you. Now double the distance away from you. It doesn't get 50% dimmer does it.
Like I said, were seeing the entire moon face reflecting, not a small patch.
You're just a little bit confused about the law. I can recommended some good books on them if you're interested. Seems a bit advanced for you.
Read discussionYes ed33, like I though, your confused and don't understand the inverse law of light. Put your hand 5 inches In front of you. Now double the distance away from you. It doesn't get 50% dimmer does it.
Like I said, were seeing the entire moon face reflecting, not a small patch.
You're just a little bit confused about the law. I can recommended some good books on them if you're interested. Seems a bit advanced for you.
29 Oct 2021 23:30:52
Tj70 you didn't pay attention in your degree then if you still think the moon's a light source. You learn that very, very early in life.
Read discussionTj70 you didn't pay attention in your degree then if you still think the moon's a light source. You learn that very, very early in life.
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Southern Monkey · 30 Oct 2021 08:34
Southern Monkey · 30 Oct 2021 08:3430 Oct 2021 07:32:32
If the Moon is reflecting light, and it's a ball. Why is there no 'hotspot'?
Read discussionIf the Moon is reflecting light, and it's a ball. Why is there no 'hotspot'?
29 Oct 2021 17:50:35
Standard, those with little understanding fall back on the line that they're being condescended to.
You talk about science, my career is based around it, I regularly undertake CET (continuous education training) in my Scientific area of training.
I debate with doctors, scientists, educators and have spoken at numerous scientific gatherings.
Quite frankly you sound like someone with a little knowledge who can't comprehend that others with a differing opinion may just be able to wipe the floor with you academically or scientifically.
Read discussionStandard, those with little understanding fall back on the line that they're being condescended to.
You talk about science, my career is based around it, I regularly undertake CET (continuous education training) in my Scientific area of training.
I debate with doctors, scientists, educators and have spoken at numerous scientific gatherings.
Quite frankly you sound like someone with a little knowledge who can't comprehend that others with a differing opinion may just be able to wipe the floor with you academically or scientifically.
29 Oct 2021 18:13:22
standard you have commented above about the boosters that unless you are old and have underlying health issues then you do not need the boosters.
so what do you make of Israel were vax passports are mandatory everywhere and if you have not had your 3rd booster you are classed as unvaccinated and your vax passport won't work why are they forcing a booster on people who do not need it your words not mine and i hear the 4th booster will be out soon and it will be same don't take the 4th shot you are unvaccinated and won't be able to do what the vaccinated can do even though you've had all the shots before it.
the booster will be rolled out here to will you take the booster and the 4th and 5th and so on if not then welcome to our club mate.
Read discussionstandard you have commented above about the boosters that unless you are old and have underlying health issues then you do not need the boosters.
so what do you make of Israel were vax passports are mandatory everywhere and if you have not had your 3rd booster you are classed as unvaccinated and your vax passport won't work why are they forcing a booster on people who do not need it your words not mine and i hear the 4th booster will be out soon and it will be same don't take the 4th shot you are unvaccinated and won't be able to do what the vaccinated can do even though you've had all the shots before it.
the booster will be rolled out here to will you take the booster and the 4th and 5th and so on if not then welcome to our club mate.
29 Oct 2021 17:28:33
I could talk all day about light rays, the bending of, the reflection of, the refraction of etc (my degree and my career as an optician) but I'll just say one thing Standard. the irony is that the moon IS a light source.
Read discussionI could talk all day about light rays, the bending of, the reflection of, the refraction of etc (my degree and my career as an optician) but I'll just say one thing Standard. the irony is that the moon IS a light source.
29 Oct 2021 18:22:28
You are being unfair to Standard Ed, what you are saying is not correct. It may seem preposterous that with the photon model of light that a large shell of emitted electrons would eventually get so thinned out after light-years of travel they would still be visible or detectable even. But brightness is what diminishes, not the photons themselves. If even a couple photons per second from that point in the sky make it to your eye, then it's visible. The more photons, the more brightness. It will never be zero. Out of 300 billion stars in the Milky Way only about 9,000 stars are close enough and bright enough to be visible to the naked eye. That is brighter than magnitude 6.5, the traditional criterion for naked-eye visibility.
In total their combined light isn't much. Their combined magnitude is almost exactly –5. The Sun is 487,530,000 times brighter than the 9000 visible stars in total which says that the light from these 9000 stars is 0.0000002 % of the total starlight hitting the Earth.
Read discussionYou are being unfair to Standard Ed, what you are saying is not correct. It may seem preposterous that with the photon model of light that a large shell of emitted electrons would eventually get so thinned out after light-years of travel they would still be visible or detectable even. But brightness is what diminishes, not the photons themselves. If even a couple photons per second from that point in the sky make it to your eye, then it's visible. The more photons, the more brightness. It will never be zero. Out of 300 billion stars in the Milky Way only about 9,000 stars are close enough and bright enough to be visible to the naked eye. That is brighter than magnitude 6.5, the traditional criterion for naked-eye visibility.
In total their combined light isn't much. Their combined magnitude is almost exactly –5. The Sun is 487,530,000 times brighter than the 9000 visible stars in total which says that the light from these 9000 stars is 0.0000002 % of the total starlight hitting the Earth.
29 Oct 2021 14:01:29
Very good point ed33 just where did they hide the buggy and Standard you have just made a statement that unless your old or or have underlying health issues you don't need the booster that sounds like the first two jabs doesn't it I am also guessing you missed the memo that you will be known as an anti vaxxer unless you get your booster.
Read discussionVery good point ed33 just where did they hide the buggy and Standard you have just made a statement that unless your old or or have underlying health issues you don't need the booster that sounds like the first two jabs doesn't it I am also guessing you missed the memo that you will be known as an anti vaxxer unless you get your booster.
29 Oct 2021 14:14:40
You lads are hilarious. The 'wake up' thing is beyond ridiculous. Instead of most of the apparent sheep being closed minded, maybe apply it to yourself and analyse whether your the ones in the wrong. Then you'll truly learn knowledge. got to be critical on yourself aswell.
Read discussionYou lads are hilarious. The 'wake up' thing is beyond ridiculous. Instead of most of the apparent sheep being closed minded, maybe apply it to yourself and analyse whether your the ones in the wrong. Then you'll truly learn knowledge. got to be critical on yourself aswell.
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Rian · 29 Oct 2021 14:56
Rian · 29 Oct 2021 14:5629 Oct 2021 14:35:15
Moon Landing Fraud in 3 minutes
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Read discussionMoon Landing Fraud in 3 minutes
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29 Oct 2021 14:45:40
Oh Tj70, the irony of a moonlanding denier being condescending. I have some advice for you aswell. Expand your 'research' from YouTube videos to academic literature and scientific studies. You might be a lot happier and less anxious about the world. Respectfully, Standard.
Read discussionOh Tj70, the irony of a moonlanding denier being condescending. I have some advice for you aswell. Expand your 'research' from YouTube videos to academic literature and scientific studies. You might be a lot happier and less anxious about the world. Respectfully, Standard.
29 Oct 2021 14:38:20
Not sure what the question is but I think you're a little bit confused. Lumens is total quantity of visible light emitted from a source. The moon isn't a light source, it reflects light from the sun. So i'm not really sure what your asking.
Why can we see the moonlight even though it's 200000 km away or whatever it is? Because we're seeing the entire moon face reflect the light, not a small surface patch of the moon. Hope this clarifies, your question didn't really make much sense.
Read discussionNot sure what the question is but I think you're a little bit confused. Lumens is total quantity of visible light emitted from a source. The moon isn't a light source, it reflects light from the sun. So i'm not really sure what your asking.
Why can we see the moonlight even though it's 200000 km away or whatever it is? Because we're seeing the entire moon face reflect the light, not a small surface patch of the moon. Hope this clarifies, your question didn't really make much sense.
29 Oct 2021 11:19:00
The fact you think we actually went to moon is scary the fact the 3 astronauts refused to ever discuss the trip and all left NASA soon afterwards says a lot with Neil Armstrong refusing to swear on a Bible they went (and we all know how religious most Americans are) the ship was basically made out of tin foil and glue but yep they survived going through a massive radiation belt.
Read discussionThe fact you think we actually went to moon is scary the fact the 3 astronauts refused to ever discuss the trip and all left NASA soon afterwards says a lot with Neil Armstrong refusing to swear on a Bible they went (and we all know how religious most Americans are) the ship was basically made out of tin foil and glue but yep they survived going through a massive radiation belt.
29 Oct 2021 11:42:04
It's in the name mate i'll spin it then. Where's your evidence we haven't landed on the moon? Or, what would It take for you to believe in the moon landing?
Regarding booster shot, unless your old or have underlying health issues, no one needs the booster shot. I haven't actually looked into the booster shot data at all, there's probably less than 1% who've had the booster anyway.
Read discussionIt's in the name mate i'll spin it then. Where's your evidence we haven't landed on the moon? Or, what would It take for you to believe in the moon landing?
Regarding booster shot, unless your old or have underlying health issues, no one needs the booster shot. I haven't actually looked into the booster shot data at all, there's probably less than 1% who've had the booster anyway.
29 Oct 2021 12:20:42
At this point there appears no hope for Standard . I guess individuals are destined to either wake up or not.
Standard, you say the moon landing is one of your favourite conspiracies, it's probably the easiest to prove it never happened, simply using common sense with no particular insight needed and yet you still defend it.
My one last piece of advice is to keep reinforcing to yourself that you are open to truth and maybe, just maybe you'll have the breakthrough.
If you can't work out that the moon landing was fake then you'll never progress to the more complex issues.
Read discussionAt this point there appears no hope for Standard . I guess individuals are destined to either wake up or not.
Standard, you say the moon landing is one of your favourite conspiracies, it's probably the easiest to prove it never happened, simply using common sense with no particular insight needed and yet you still defend it.
My one last piece of advice is to keep reinforcing to yourself that you are open to truth and maybe, just maybe you'll have the breakthrough.
If you can't work out that the moon landing was fake then you'll never progress to the more complex issues.
29 Oct 2021 00:03:57
8 years later and I'd still buy your book ed, I'm always interested in Alternative views. Regarding the video, it's correct we can't currently do it. Context is missing, we can't currently do it cost effectively. We could build the same ship for an outrageous sum or we could develop the new technology at a much cheaper rate. So we cannot currently, not literally, but metaphorically. It wouldn't make sense. Back in the day it did make sense, to beat the Russians. The spacecraft we used all them years ago were extremely expensive and it's now destroyed as they cannot be used. Elon Musk has solved part of that problem through reusing the rocket ships.
Regarding evidence we've landed on the moon, I'm sure everything you've read about it you don't believe in. So I won't even go into the physics side, but have you ever thought about how much effort would go into faking it? The ship was built, and launched, people were at the launch so that definitely happened. The amount of time building the ship happened, as there's records. And communication between the ship and control happened, again, because records. Seems like a lot of effort and landing on the moon would just be easier. Way too much effort involved for faking it.
Unless you believe that all of that was faked aswell, and in that case. I literally have to evidence for you. I wasn't even alive when this happened and I didn't bring a go pro with me on the trip, so I cannot prove it If the current evidence can :D
The moon landing is one of my favourite conspiracies so thanks for the video!
Read discussion8 years later and I'd still buy your book ed, I'm always interested in Alternative views. Regarding the video, it's correct we can't currently do it. Context is missing, we can't currently do it cost effectively. We could build the same ship for an outrageous sum or we could develop the new technology at a much cheaper rate. So we cannot currently, not literally, but metaphorically. It wouldn't make sense. Back in the day it did make sense, to beat the Russians. The spacecraft we used all them years ago were extremely expensive and it's now destroyed as they cannot be used. Elon Musk has solved part of that problem through reusing the rocket ships.
Regarding evidence we've landed on the moon, I'm sure everything you've read about it you don't believe in. So I won't even go into the physics side, but have you ever thought about how much effort would go into faking it? The ship was built, and launched, people were at the launch so that definitely happened. The amount of time building the ship happened, as there's records. And communication between the ship and control happened, again, because records. Seems like a lot of effort and landing on the moon would just be easier. Way too much effort involved for faking it.
Unless you believe that all of that was faked aswell, and in that case. I literally have to evidence for you. I wasn't even alive when this happened and I didn't bring a go pro with me on the trip, so I cannot prove it If the current evidence can :D
The moon landing is one of my favourite conspiracies so thanks for the video!
Reply · Southern Monkey · 29 Oct 2021 08:49
Southern Monkey · 29 Oct 2021 08:4928 Oct 2021 21:04:01
Well, I apologise, Ed. I never knew we were amongst such establish stars. I thought Tesco got rid of you? do you still wear the horse sized glasses?
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Read discussionWell, I apologise, Ed. I never knew we were amongst such establish stars. I thought Tesco got rid of you? do you still wear the horse sized glasses?
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Southern Monkey · 29 Oct 2021 08:4928 Oct 2021 21:14:47
P. S. Standard, please don't have the booster. You're 21. Aren't we all? haha. Just do some more research and inner/ self thinking before you decide to have it. It doesn't stop anything to do with C.V., but what it can do, even in those seemingly unaffected, we just don't know.
Read discussionP. S. Standard, please don't have the booster. You're 21. Aren't we all? haha. Just do some more research and inner/ self thinking before you decide to have it. It doesn't stop anything to do with C.V., but what it can do, even in those seemingly unaffected, we just don't know.