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He's come out with some good stuff, but i think the lizard thing seriously damaged him as people find it easier to dismiss him as a crackpot.

Just like coffee Icke is not for everyone

Why is Icke's success in foretelling the future?

What has he told that no one else knew about?

I don't know what his credits are but I would like to know.

Wistful

Why do people always bang on about the lizard thing with Icke? If you can't get your head around it fair enough, but the guy has a lot to say on a lot of other issues and has had a great deal of success in telling of the things to come since becoming a "nutter" as someone mentioned in an earlier post.

Paragon

You are right not everything is a cover up and trying to make everything fit a conspiracy does a dis-service.

No Ed033 I think you take me up wrong.

I want you to do nothing but what you think is right.

I will paraphrase here what I said in an earlier post

I said it would be gracious of you not to say what you did and for you to retract your statement?

I do think your statement is offensive based on the fact that 30m Russiand died in the war and that the russians colluded with the nazis based on what I consider flimsy evidence, but I do respect your right to say what you think.

If you feel you are right then obviously keep to your opinion, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Operation Paperclip did not start until on or after 1945 and it ran for some time, infact I have seen claims where it and similar operations are said to be still taking place even today. The two countries most involved from what I know was america and the uk with more than a few nazis thrown in, while the USSR was also included if you so feel please substanciate the Russian involvement.

There are still nazis to this day in Germany, Russia, America and other countries and it seems a small but growing movement and their activities are largely unknown.

Obviously from my posts I do not support the nazis.

I do not think your post should be banned or corrected if thats your opinion that's your opinion.

I am not for the banning of posts.

Nor am I here to suffocate what you believe, merely putting forward a different idea that may get you to think about it differently of course your opinion may remain firm and that's your choice.

I am not seeking conflict, nor do I believe I am insulting you if you think I have then I apologize it was not my intention. If differences of opinion were sorted by not resorting to f*** this, that and the other it would be better, I am sure you will agree.

If I am wrong about the Russian involvement with Nazis, etc, that's okay I am always willing to learn.

Yes you are right that a lot goes on that We don't know about however I find the russians and the germans strange bed fellows, however anything is possible.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - When I said they were working together at the highest level, I wasn't meaning at the presidential level. I was speaking at a higher level than that. The secret government/black projects level. The Nazis and Soviets weren't working together at the presidential level. I'm talking about a higher secret level that isn't recognised by the main stream media. Black projects, project camelot video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=woMtIHwRL2w

Nicholas cage is nicholas coppola ie francis ford coppola's nephew 1 of the main reasons he got into the movies. {Ed033's Note - I must have forgot to put film directors on the list as well i.e francis ford coppola. Just goes to show my point. A lot of these top actors are there because of their bloodline not their competence and that they are within the 1% of this main royal bloodline.}

I am not telling you anything ED033

I know for a fact there is a lot of mis-information out there.

Many People who claim to be exposing conspiracies actually work for the perpetrators of said conspiracies. Its good to confuse things ordinary people then think its all a load of old cobblers and believe none of it.

For example Ron Paul is not what he claims to be and neither is alex jones but that's for another day.

I have no doubt after WWII scientists switched between the USSR, America and Germany.

I believe the illuminati are so paranoid that they would not work with the russians.

Opel/vauxhall and Saab were up for sale in the last couple of years russia wanted to buy but was not allowed by america yet its in space with russia as a partner working on god only knows what?

It just doesn't stack up?

If america didn't want russia to have car technology why would it partner russia making gods knows what in space?


America cannot go to space (at least regularly) and relies on Russia to bring them to the international space station, (this is purely a financial arrangement)maybe this or other projects are being beefed up into the paperclip project something that is easily done.

Theres no love or friendship between America and Russia or its people and certainly Russians would not entertain Nazis.

For years America blocked russian entry into the World Trade Organization and every other click possible hardly the bed rock of collaborators, is it?

I never take conspiracy stories without doing further research and looking at things objectively from both sides.

Russians are first and foremost practical people, as an example take the AK47 and the american M16 on paper the AK47 is rubbish, the M16 is far superior however on the battlefield the AK47 is the better peice of Kit you can throw the AK47 into a pool of water, dance on it and it will still work, a small piece of dirt in your M16 can mean its does not work. Americans look BS and technology Russians love practicality so even their philosphies on how things should work are different Its doubtful these two mindsets could work together.

Look at their approach at getting into space the Russians keep it simple and practical the americans complicate things.
Two totally different tribes.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - From your previous post where you want me to remove 1 of my posts. Are you saying that anything you perceive to be politically incorrect should be banned/censored?

Cerbal....Cerb'R'al

ED033 Again I am not getting into an argument with you but I don't believe anything David says, I think he's a nutter. He believes in repiles etc. controlling the planet and I think thats a step way too far.

Greedy people humans control the planet not reptiles.

I know russian people very well, I don't think they would welcome the nazis
and putin certainly would not and he is the real power in russia. Most russians even if they were not around for WWII their history very well and Russian education believe it or not is one of the best in the world, the average russian is much better educated than the average yank, and the ordinary russian person would not support the Nazis, there is not a russian family that has not lost members in the war with the Nazis.

The average russian knows the way of the world far better than the average person in the EU.

Russia is on the rise, america is in decline, it won't be long before Russia and china assume the american mantle.

While the war in georgia went on Putin told America not to meddle in russian affairs and as much as the georgian president thought he had american support to back him up america had no intention of taking on Russia directly and they left the georgians to fend for themselves not what you would expect from a friend. The russians do not fear America, they are war like people and they have faced a financial crisis from the beginning of their federation not just since 2008.

I see the russian press regularly and its quite different to western press yes it might be slanted towards the russian government but is does expose the can of worms that is the illuminati much more so than other press.

I think it would be gracious of you to retract you comments about russia being mixed in with the nazis and america.

However you are entitled to your opinion.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Are you telling me that project paperclip never happened and Nazi scientists did not go to America and the Soviet Union?

Thanks Ed. I will need to read some more into that. Here is a link to the page I was reading that caught my eye for the rest of you guys to read if you can make any sense of what it all means.

Padawan

www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters1.htm

There no way Russia has anything to do with the Nazis or America.

I do not wish to get involved in an argument with you Ed033 as I won't win not because I am stupid but because you will censor what I write however I think you have offended a lot of people with this statement you have made.

30M russian's died in the world wars and they paid a higher price than any other nation.

Russia is the only country that constantly puts out information against the illuminati however as we are all brainwashed into thinking russia is a great evil no one believes it and the western press do not report it.

off topic -for those that want to see coverage of the wall street protest look at russian tv, its heavily covered.

Putiin knows the game that is being played by the illuminati however what can he do?

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Well David Icke said the following a long time ago and you just hit it. Icke said that there is a point where people can't or won't go. They will believe up to a point but then they cannot believe any further. You may not be the only one who cannot go this far but if you believe there is a secret space program then why can't the Soviets, AMerican's and Nazis be working together on a secret space program. Under project paperclip, Nazis went to the USA and were involved in NASA at the highest of levels. Other project paperclip Nazi scientists went to the Soviet Union. This is all public domain info. Don't you think secrets are being kept from you?

If I was Bin Laden and I had not done it I would not claim it as it would just look stupid to my immediate followers and my reason for fighting the west would look shambolic that's a good reason I think for bin Laden to be telling the truth. Another good reason for bin Laden telling the truth is that a high up Russian official said it could not be done by any terrorist organization becuse this part of New York airspace was protect by American fighter jets, and you needed special codes only available to the US defence forces to fly in this area, otherwise you would be shot down long before you reached the towers.

However if Bin Laden was on the american payroll as many suspect he could have had some back door involvement.

Another reason is that maybe by denying any involvement if he was responsible it would anger the americans more, who knows what actually occurred the only thing for certain is that there are more questions than answers.

Channel 4 had a programme not too long ago that investigated this incident with many experts giving their views and concluded it had no american involvement.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Osama Bin Laden was CIA. He is also known as Tim Osman - www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Da9ghk-sk

Well now you have caught my attention! Care to elaborate?

Padawan {Ed033's Note - I know hardly anything about this. I have heard of the Council Of 9 - www.world-enlightenment.com/The-Order-of-Things/CIA-Andrija-Puharich-Council-of-Nine.htm

Ed007 maybe you are the man or woman (my guess is you are a lady from the tone of your writing, please forgive me if I am wrong) to bring a bit of much needed sense to the moderation on this site.

The jurys still out though as you have not made many posts but this one looks good.

I hope you see balance and stop the BS before its starts the others eds here on this site tend to let thing go to far and then enter with the big foot and mouth making things worse.

Keep up the good work, you don't have to know as much as the others eds to moderate just be fair, balanced and intercede before the BS goes to far without being heavy handed.

I hope you will do a good job {Ed033's Note - To the poster who thinks there is a difference between the Soviet Union, USA and Nazis. I think you'll find that at the highest level they are all probably working together.}

Yeah i've only seen mention of it on twitter. but whereas the arab revolt seems to be working, and our riots were just revolting, nothing is mentioned on this. {Ed033's Note - Well we have people like David Icke now saying that the "powers that be/were" are now desperate because too many people from their point of view are waking up. We may be close to the 100th monkey waking up and then the only thing "the powers that were" can do is another large operation gladio (state sponsored terrorism) to terrorise everyone into submission. See history channel documentary on Gladio - www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vpkmoZWfM&feature=related}

I can't find naything on it.

Just throwing a spanner in the works guys but the 1916 rising was stared by terrorists so called by the English but to the people they were freedom fighters and in the late 90's the English governance said the same .Ask yourself this look at Libya now whats the difference and by the way who made your country judges off the world if your country and the USA mind your own the world would run alot smoother

I seconded that if you look a the Vatican's history you'll see they have been trying there hardest to keep man kind down like why are they in the U.N that makes no sense to me Religion and politics should be keep apart

Come on guys your getting outa hand now if the soviet union had that tech why did they fall if they had that Technology the USA would have been there bitches not only that the Nazi's would of been wiped off the map in a day so if you see something on you tube take it with abit of salt cos it just makes you all look stupid {Ed007's Note - Why come on here and read things just to diss them? If you aren't interested or have nothing constructive to add then please could you refrain from posting, I am getting bored deleting all your sarcastic comments. Why should anyone listen to you rather than discuss or research anything? Your opinion means a lot less than people who look at things with an open mind and are prepared to listen to others. You are just saying things are wrong, how do you know they are?}