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Christianity and the bible are not the way to the truth...There was a small story in the 1st palm and it said something along the lines of A man, his daugher and the males friend where having dinner when a group of men burst into his home and wanted to have sex with the mans friend, so he casually said please dont sleep with my friend have my daughter instead...NICE Parent of the year award Thats why there has been a lot of changes in the bible to role with the times it's all rubbish

Perfectly executed conspiracy ?

Do explain , in your words , not a link to someone elses


jim88

Dear Mystery Poster

You seem to forget that before the war Stalin starved to death, shot or transported to the gulags another 20-30 million people. These were catastrophic losses and seriously weakened the country before the war leading to the poor performance of 1941-42 which lead to the 30 million war casulaties. That and Stalin's own casual indiffernce to the sufferigs of his comrades at the front line.


Yes the above is true but deaths of 20-30M are a bit exaggerated.




I don't think any is suggesting that Germany and Russia worked directly together, but it is a definite fact that many German scientists, technicians and over boffins found there way to the Soviet Union in 1945. The reason? the Russians wanted their knowledge to bridge the tecnology gap with the Americans. The leadership wouldn't have been bothered abput using captured nazi's and the ordinary people would never know.


Again this is probably true



Also not sure what immigration has to do with anything as no country can protect their borders from immigration, and a lot of Russians have moved abroad in search of money and opportunity.


Again this is true

But a country the size of Russia needs a big population, Russia is having problems sustaining itself due to lack of russians
France had this problem and went on a baby boom some years back to correect the problem, italy now faces this problem of shrinking population albeit not from wars.


The chinese are illegally entering Russia and setting up home and because the country is so big Russia can do nothing, its borders are too vast.



Also i may be wrong but didn't the Soviets undertake a breeding push in the 50's to try and make back the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.

I don't think it was successful and in the last 5 years putin has paid women to have babies providing more financial support to families again it has not met with great success.



I agree with what the other guy said on the Americans being more technical and the Russians more practical. As the joke goes the yanks spent millions on developing a pen that could write in space, the ink wouldn't freeze, would work in zero g etc, the russians just took a pencil.

But there is a reason a lot of people don't trust the Russians, they grew up in the cold war, my parents for example were teenagers during the missle crisis, that tends to affect peoples thinking.



I agree with the above statement when I was a child I was frightened by the missles constantly seen on B&W tv in red square.

When on holiday two years ago in Bulgaria I was watching russian TV and was frieighten by the show of military might on the Russian TV channel in the hotel.



Also do you consider it brave to pull a load of peasants off cattle trucks, hand 1 man a rifle 1 man the ammo clip and chuck them straight into a fight to take a prepared defensive position? i call it stupid and suicide and so did many Russians.


I again agree with you, however it also takes a large amount of bravery, something the russians are not short of.

Also machine gunning your own troops when they fall back from the slaughter? Words don't cover it. I don't deny that the Russians are brave. But giving no retreat orders and just leaving men to be killed when you could have gotten them out to fight another day? is that bravery?


Would not say bravery but it does show they don't like to back down whatever the cost.


In Russia you just give ground, conserve troops and wait for winter that how they beat Napolean, and thats what Zhukov advised Stalin, only he didnt want to listen and just threw mens lives away.

Too true the country is unforgiving its very difficult to attack the Russians the terrain and the weather will work against those mad enough to attack.


The training for any special forces in the world can kill a man. people have died of hypothermia and exposure in the brecon beacons after all.


The training of the russian special forces is much more daunting than bad weather. They swim in rivers of blood and eat things that would turn most peoples stomach (even bear the intrepid explorer would say no). Also the physicalities of the training would not be allowed in other armies, it would be deemed too much.

Now now of this addresses the nub/heart/crux of the problem which was operation paperclip

Paperclip started in 1945

The war ended in 1945

And while there would have russians, germans, amercians, etc. trading places with each other at this time, Russia was not involved in any joint operation with these countries at that time and nothing has ever come out of these ventures because there were none.

Youtube videos are insufficient proof to support the claim russia, america and Nazis worked toether on or after 1945


Russia is not illuminati controlled the illuminati infuence Russia indirectly by interfering with its currency or denying them access to organizations etc. however there is no level above the president of Russia.

I am not a russian and I have suffered the indignity of their embassy on a few occasions however that does not mean I have too belittle them or insult them I find the russians a strange mix of many different things. Yes they have done stupid things and yes they are not the most popular people on earth. However they are not as black as the west paints them and america is much more of a danger to us than the russians however we don't belive that we have been conditioned to think otherwise.

Always bet on Red (liverpool red)

I dont think the bible texts are written by semi literate tribesmen ,whatever it all means , it is well put together and interesting , from the bloodline thing to god and the devil , the real question is who is the bad guy , look in to it and ask how many people does god kill and how many ,-the devil , and how can a all loving god send children into never ending torment to burn , theres something very evil about that dont you think..........lfc

Please folks , The bible is a 3rd rate , bronze age myth , written by semi literate tribesmen .

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This is a conspiracies website. I believe there is a conspiracy that's been perfectly executed and it spurpose and end product is to make you think exactly what you just wrote here.

"Christian" and "finding the truth" in the same post ?

Look at the teachings of christianity . 8000yr old planet , a virgin that gives birth , Noah . You cannot get further from the truth .

Please folks , The bible is a 3rd rate , bronze age myth , written by semi literate tribesmen .

Ed33 how much of David Icke do you personally believe? Whats your stance? {Ed033's Note - I probably agree with 95% with what david icke has said over the years. This latest moon theory david has come out with is possible I think but it would be nice to have more evidence (short interview with David Icke talking about the moon - www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPkqqZX75U). But as with a lot of people the reptile like entities that possess royalty bloodline people because it is easier for these entities to possess this bloodline is a little harder to swallow but possible as these rituals the royalty bloodline people take part in probably open them up to possession by other entities. Obviously the hardest thing to agree on is when David Icke has talked about royalty bloodline people shape-shifting. It appears that david believes this because so many people have talked to him about seeing royalty bloodline people shape-shift into reptile entities at rituals.}

I have looked at D. Ickes Website and have read it.

I don't believe youtube videos which I stated in the above post

Buying one of his books that an idea?

thanks,

Wistful {Ed033's Note - You don't have to buy books as you can go into your local library and reserve a david icke book. There are david icke presentations on dvd to buy or on youtube.}

Hi ed is someone like roman abramovich (spelling) or the mega rich arabs part of this bloodline then? {Ed033's Note - I don't know which individual person is or isn't but all the Russian Oligarchs including roman abramovich is and all the mega rich arabs are.}

You seem to forget that before the war Stalin starved to death, shot or transported to the gulags another 20-30 million people. These were catastrophic losses and seriously weakened the country before the war leading to the poor performance of 1941-42 which lead to the 30 million war casulaties. That and Stalin's own casual indiffernce to the sufferigs of his comrades at the front line.

I don't think any is suggesting that Germany and Russia worked directly together, but it is a definite fact that many German scientists, technicians and over boffins found there way to the Soviet Union in 1945. The reason? the Russians wanted their knowledge to bridge the tecnology gap with the Americans. The leadership wouldn't have been bothered abput using captured nazi's and the ordinary people would never know.

Also not sure what immigration has to do with anything as no country can protect their borders from immigration, and a lot of Russians have moved abroad in search of money and opportunity.

Also i may be wrong but didn't the Soviets undertake a breeding push in the 50's to try and make back the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.

I agree with what the other guy said on the Americans being more technical and the Russians more practical. As the joke goes the yanks spent millions on developing a pen that could write in space, the ink wouldn't freeze, would work in zero g etc, the russians just took a pencil.

But there is a reason a lot of people don't trust the Russians, they grew up in the cold war, my parents for example were teenagers during the missle crisis, that tends to affect peoples thinking.

Also do you consider it brave to pull a load of peasants off cattle trucks, hand 1 man a rifle 1 man the ammo clip and chuck them straight into a fight to take a prepared defensive position? i call it stupid and suicide and so did many Russians. Also machine gunning your own troops when they fall back from the slaughter? Words don't cover it. I don't deny that the Russians are brave. But giving no retreat orders and just leaving men to be killed when you could have gotten them out to fight another day? is that bravery? In Russia you just give ground, conserve troops and wait for winter that how they beat Napolean, and thats what Zhukov advised Stalin, only he didnt want to listen and just threw mens lives away.

The training for any special forces in the world can kill a man. people have died of hypothermia and exposure in the brecon beacons after all.

From my take on these posts there is no one disputing that germany and russia worked together before 1945 however operation paperclip is at the centre of the post and this did not commence till 1945 so your post is irrelevant in this sense as much of your commentry pre dates 1945.

How could a country that lost approx 20% of its population work with the country responsible for those loses immediately after the war?

Its seems unlikely to even consider such a proposal. Some countries are not run by the illuminati Russia, North Korea and China are three examples there are others.

War ended 1945 operation paperclip started 1945

The soviet Union had an isolationist policy after the war remember the Iron Curtain.

And as russia is 1.8 times the size of america the loss of 30M people would have a significant impact on protecting its borders.

And that impact is still being seen today many peple from neighbouring coutries are settling in Russia as it cannot protect its borders from immigration.

Stalin was mad and did not care about anyone that a given, Likewise the tzars.

As for the Russians not backing down that only shows you fail to understand the people of russia, their history is the most bloody of any country they don't back down, whehter you consider that suicidal or not, Some may consider it brave?

Wars, revolutions and a harsh life for millions has made the russians very dexterious and tough people.

Training for the Russian Special forces can kil a man, that would seem suicidal too however russia is a one off type of country vast, harsh and unpredictable.

Always bet on Red (Liverpool Red)

Well if that's the case we the world are all very stupid and we deserve to be screwed.

Just because you think there are all out to get you doesn't mean the are?

Now the EU is the rogue state (with the franco-german alliance re-established) and europe is heading into a fiscal nightmare and all in europe are watching from the sidelines.

If there are lizzards

What is their purpose?

Why are they remaining out of sight?

When are they going to take over assuming thats their goal

I have an open mind on ET's however most of the so called proof is very, very soft


A youtube video means absolutely nothing

I could make a you tube video saying I am jack the ripper incarnate, some may believe but the majority would not, so what would a youtube video prove?

Not saying Icke is a crackpot but many crackpots make youtube videos and have websites.

There are plenty of satanic websites, vampire websites, etc. but what does that prove?

How many of these webstes were actually developed by Satan or Dracula?

Wistful {Ed033's Note - If people really want to know what David Icke is really saying then why not read 1 or more of his books or type "David Icke" into youtube.}

Ok cheers Ed.

Still a potential lot of people.

I'm confused as well.

Don't forget the Nazi's and the Russians worked together in 1939 to carve up Poland between them. Also as a % of population the Poles lost more people than anyone in the war.

German and Russian co-operation stretches back to the 1920's when the Soviet Union was an international pariah (in todays terms a rogue state) and Germany was banned from doing any military development under the terms of the Versailles treaty. The Germans got around this by simply going to the Soviet Union and testing out equipment there in return for Russian secrecy, a share o the results and some cash.

By 1945 with the Nazi's collapsing both American and Soviet intelligence were scouring Germany looking for scientists and intell officers to ship back home to either Washington or Moscow. Many of the worst culprits of the holocaust escaped justice becuase of their usefulness to the space program. The American Saturn V rocket was basically just a bigger version of the V2. The designer of both? Werner von Braun. The space suit technology? Came from pressure tests conducted at Auschwtz and other death camps. And thats just what i know from the American side. The Russians benefitted just as much.

Yes we know the Russians hd the largest numerical loss of manpower in the war, but since when did any Russian ruler care about the ordinary Russian? The Czars didn't nor did Stalin. And most Russian losses were down to Soviet stupidity like not ordering retreats when they could have pulled back and saved the lives of their troops. Or in suicidal frontal charges onto entrenched positions with only one man in two carrying a rifle and then machine gunning the ones who retreated.

Tell us more about Ron Paul and Alex Jones. {Ed033's Note - My take on Ron Paul is that sometimes he votes the opposite way to what you would think but he or his staff may miss stuff and not understand everything in these bills he votes on. Also if he doesn't vote the way they want him to, he won't receive certain payments because Senators allegedly receive payments when they vote the "right" way.

I watched that vid ed.

Is that 1% limited to certain grouping of people? Cos if my maths are right 1% of the total world population is 60 million people so it must be limited to North Americans and Europeans of a certain lineage? {Ed033's Note - This is worldwide on limited to Europeans and Americans. Look, no one can get above a certain rank in the Army, Airforce, Navy unless they are within 1% of this main royal line. Also no one can get above a certain level in Freemasonry unless they are within 1% of the main royal line. Another thing is almost all the wealth in the world is in the hands of 1% of the population.}

But what if everything is a conspiracy?

What if its all to distract us from the truth?

What if by throwing a few red herrings out there for people to chase they can identify trouble makers and keep people looking in the wrong direction away from looking for the real truth?

The Matrix Is Real.