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It was a iceberg guys not everything is a cover up wake up smile the coffee beans

Yeah...i agree mate...the thing is...if you were bin laden and trying to inspire extremists to turn on the west and you had just carried out an attack like that...theres no way you would deny any of it...hed be bragging about it...not denying any involvement!!
PmacC

Rooneys father betting scandal is going to change your life please tell us how?

If its truly demonic its interesting

Doubtful it is though, Satan does not leave a calling card

The hidden hand

Cerebal/cerebral same thing

What was the film Nic Cage went around in sayin kill me, kill me, I'm a vampire (I left the cinema for that one)

Don't know the title of this film but maybe he was coming out of the closet

Wistful {Ed007's Note - It was Vampire's Kiss, a totally shocking film by all accounts. Cage's real name is Nicolas Kim Coppola, he is the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola and also Talia Shire (The Godfather and Rocky's wife), Which might have helped his career some what.}

And another point, American Airlines and United Airlines allegedly lost aircraft at the World Trade Centre. How can their planes be deregistered so far apart and how can one be DESTROYED and one CANCELLED if they suffered the same fate on the same day as we are told?

Paragon

Take nothing to do with it. IT IS DEMONIC!...

Flight 93 MUST have been diverted and landed safely elsewhere. What of the passengers? God only knows.

Interestingly, Flight 93, tail number N591UA was deregistered on 28th September 2005 and listed as cancelled.

Under Federal law, you are obliged to inform the FAA as to the status of a registered aircraft. In this case it would be going through the motions to obtain a death certificate if you like!

Flight 93 (Shanksville) and 175 (South tower) listed as CANCELLED 4 years later.

Flight 11 (North tower) and 77 (Pentagon) deregistered 14th January 2002 - DESTROYED

See the problem here? A plane flown into a tower and seen on TV is still around until 2005 and a plane flown into the pentagon but no one saw it is struck off in 2002.

Paragon

A plane shot down either by air to air or surface to air missiles would leave large recognisable debris. Also, a plane blown up by onboard explosive would leave the same easily identifiable debris despite the distance the debris is spread over. It would never be reduced to small pieces. You only need to look at Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie.

Quite simply, there is no downed plane or passengers in or around Shanksville.

Paragon

I had heard a theory of the wireless Tesla power transmitter but thought nothing of it really, it was a while back and i haven't lgot into conspiracy's until recently. Thanks alot for the help.
huddz red

Here's a link to the Ordanneko article.

phils.com.au/tungusta.htm {Ed033's Note - In nexus magazine they had at least 2 stories about Tunguska. One was Nikola Tesla's wireless power transmitter could have triggered the explosion over Tunguska. The other is that there are a couple of extra terrestrial facilities on the earth that shoots energy at any large incoming objects to protect the Earth from being turned into Mars. In one of Graham Hancock's books, he postulates that Mars was hit by a bolide which stripped most of the atmosphere away and several miles of the land on one side of Mars was stripped away.}

Hey the Rock is great, face/off was good too. snake eyes was alright. perfect friday night with the boys films. pizza and beers and good entertainment. not every film has to be some massive intellectual brain teaser. besides have you seen all the symbolism in his films.....? {Ed033's Note - I would suggest that the only reason Nic Cage made it as an actor is because he is within the 1% of the main royal line that the so called "elite" think is so special.}

Very interesting.

But whenever you look at the list of families who are supposed to be the heads of the Illuminati isn't Astor always on that list?

Either that is very interesting, i've heard claim before that it was insurance job. {Ed033's Note - As a side note. A guy called William Barnes was regressed by a therapist in America and Barnes happened to know detailed things about the design and the building of the Titanic and intimate personal details about the designer of the Titanic (Thomas Andrews). Barnes and the Therapist decided that Barnes was the reincarnation of Thomas Andrews. There is a book and 2 audio series available.
I built the Titanic, the original 4-hour audiobook presentation

A Past-Life Interview with Titanic's Designer, the 3-hour audiobook presentation

Thomas Andrews: Voyage into History, the book which brings all the findings together. Compelling biography of Andrews, based on the regression tapes

More info at upstel.net/~rooster/titanic.html

Trevor i'm not going to discount that, something happened with that plane and that makes a lot of sense to me. {Ed033's Note - The small pieces of debris at Shanksville were allegedly spread over several miles. This would be more consistent with a plane being blown up in the air rather than on the ground. The crater on the ground could have been dug with a digger and random debris dumped into the hole using a dump truck.}

In the 1920's and 1930's, explorer Leonid Kulik made several journeys to Tunguska site, the Soviet Government kept rail lines off maps after his visits & protected the site during the early days of WW2 Russia got out of the war,this as the legend suggests, the Russians way of protecting their secret? What would have happened should the war have been lost, and the German invaders discovered the secrets of anti gravity flying machines or engines to drive between the stars?

Not always open to public in early iron curtain days but today there are trips available but very expensive....

CM68

Do you mean cerebral?

I may seem a bit dosile by asking this, but i take it from your answer the the crash site is not open to the public? if not has it always been locked out? thanks
huddz red

It`s not just a song!!!!! {Ed007's Note - I'm not as clued up on all this as Ed033 or you guys but if you look up William Tager it might help out (I think/hope)

WHEN THE DREAM HAS PASSED, WHAT THEN?
V.I. Ordanenko
This story originally appeared in a Russian magazine devoted to science and technology under the title 'Kremlin Daydream'.
It explains a lot about the Tunguska explosion in 1908 in Remote Siberia and also explains why the "strange underground caverns and buildings" exist in the region. There has been a lot of documented evidence of "above ground dome shaped structures and stairways leading to underground caverns" which appear to be "from another world".

CM68