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Good point Ed, perhaps I should expand on what we talked about; this was not something that happened overnight to a living generations but happened slowly and subtly over the course of generations. Perhaps this is more an example of adaptation than anything; I was not looking to support any real theory of evolution but just to show another side to the story.

Geordiesteve

{Ed033's Note - To Kim Philby, The Bock Saga may answer your question. See my Bock Saga post above

Great Ed, Thanks a lot! Lots of weird things in there I know what I'll be spending my evening looking at!
Thanks
Jack

1st time poster, long time reader. I suggest reading The sign of the Cross. In all essence it is your typical pot-boiler but alludes (and supports fairly well) the Roman invention of the Messiah

Also, on the evolution note, during my degree I studied some biological psychology in which we looked at the rapid evolution of a species of moth during the industrial revolution whereby they evolved their wings o become less susceptible to smoke particles and also they altered the colour structure so they were not a bright white as they were beforehand.

Geordiesteve

14 May 2014 13:38:54
What puzzles me is how homo sapiens is supposed to have been around several hundred thousand years but civilisation has only been around for only 12000?

So why the large gap. I also read an interesting site about an ancient nuclear war in India and how the resulting fall out has made carbon dating unreliable and that all these results that come back as millions of years are actually more recent.

Interesting topic. Obviously in school we had no religious education so only got the scientific version.

Kim Philby

Will definitely look into that Ed033. Thanks mate. If time permits please feel free to share your view, as it is always well respected on here

Melbourne CFC

Something that always strikes me as odd is how some people are so quick to present their belief/non belief as fact.

I don't believe in God, but I can't say God does not exist. There is no proof either way. But even as a non believer I can see every day how religion can be a great thing for many people.

Religion isn't the problem. Lack of respect and intolerance towards differing points of view is the problem.

Ryan.

Personally I think its just closed mindedness. Most people, unfortunately, tend to see the world in black and white, when it is generally pretty grey. I think creationists tend to think if they accept evolution then the rest of their belief systems are not as valid as they once were.

That and society as a whole tends to struggle admitting they are wrong about something, whereas I think the ability to admit you don't know something or are in fact wrong about something is one of the greatest strengths we can possess.

Not saying either side is wrong BTW.

Melbourne CFC

{Ed033's Note - It's also good to have a look at the Bock Saga for the history of mankind (over millons of years), if you haven't heard of it.

Part 1 of 2 Red Ice Radio interview of Michel Merle on his 20+ years of listening to Ior Bock about Ior Bock's family saga
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/05/RIR-140509.php

Bock Saga web site of the group that listened to Ior Bock for 20+ years
http://torshammer.eu

Video Presentation by Tony Topping about the Bock Saga part 1 of 2
http://youtu.be/18b685skD3M?t=14m50s

Video Presentation by Tony Topping about the Bock Saga part 2 of 2
http://youtu.be/QgniryBfGRU?t=3m

Some brilliant points, to which I hope some of us on the page, who believe the theory of evolution will engage in some debate over.

Thanks heaps for taking the time.

Melbourne CFC

'Probably'

Well said Kim, I have to agree with you.
Politics - As long as I can remember its always been cons or labour in power, as a child my parents drummed it into us to vote labour, my dad now refuses to vote for anyone saying "there all as bad as each other, lie's lie's lie's" and he's absolutely correct. People like Blair/Cameron are traitors to Britain IMO. We need to break the Cons/Labour mould, will it happen? I doubt it.
America's poodle (bang on) always have been and it really pi**es me off, lap dog to the most dangerous terrorists on earth (just my opinion), shocking how our leaders past and present allowed this to happen.
IMO we need to get out of EU, Still allow Foreign WORKERS to come as long as they don't take advantage of our overly generous benefits system, we need workers because Britains younger generation have become complacent knowing they can get free money (great, no need to work then) what a terrible attitude, if they don't want to work they should be made to do national service.
Where do we go from here? No idea but one thing I do know is, I want to be part of Britain again, I want England to feel like home again, I want the people of britain to be patriotic again, unfortunately patriots are now classed as racist.

Define Jesus Christ they probably crucified someone called Jesus Christ but I doubt very much he was the son of God. God is not real. he does not exist. Religion is a massive pain that causes problems that we would be better of without.

This is just the tip of the iceberg mate, things will get a lot worse, there is a storm brewing and it its coming to every nation.

Thanks anon, it was excellent.

Ryan.

13 May 2014 20:24:06
Agreed Melbourne. You have everything going for you and yet are in the same mess as the rest. Unfortunately I think change is a long way off.

Kim Philby

Well if everythings free then the fat cats can't afford to buy anymore mansions. Same with cures for diseases or cheap food.

Mort

13 May 2014 18:59:31
Ok well first some context. I am Russian, I worked for the Soviet state for almost 30 years including 4 postings to London, and 3 to Washington and New York. After needing a new home I decided on Britain. I've been here almost 20 years. I work, pay my taxes, my children have grown up here and my grandchildren born here.

I like this country, I like the people. But I am concerned where things are going. The state is slowly tightening its grip. Police state no, I grew up in one after all. But on its way? Certainly.

Your political system is stilted. What do the parties stand for these days? Raised as a good little socialist I despair of your labour party. Doubling the size of the welfare state is not redistribution of wealth, its economic suicide. Your liberal party stands for what exactly. And the other mob, well where to begin. Economic responsibility must be balanced with social compassion. Hard choices must be made but for the benefit of all not just a few.

I think that at some point you need to make a decision on where this country goes. Europe will try and draw you in sooner or later, they can't lose the billions you put in each year and the Germans are beginning to lose patience. But they know the majority of people want nothing to do with Europe. So there will be a lot of scaremongering over jobs. Points will be made about your international standing and how being the Americans poodle has damaged you. How Europe is your only friend.

The contradiction is, funding Europe like you do is damaging the economy. This is the eurosceptics argument. Money saved could go on the health service. But with a growing elderly population and the need to constantly import workers to do the jobs the indigenous refuse to do, whilst paying them to sit idle, is creating crippling demands on the economy. That is the puzzle you need to sort out. You have experimented with a confused version of socialism that has slowly brought your economy down just like the soviet experiment did to Russia. And even we wouldn't have done some of the things you have done.

As I said I like this country but I worry at the choices presented, either right wing isolation ala UKIP or the destruction of sovereignty as per labour. Both present difficulties.

Kim Philby

Yes Franky because Free= No Profits.

Ryan.

Completely agree.