05 May 2014 11:45:52
I am not in the know as such regards aliens, ufo's etc. I have become interested through this site.
However because of past work experience I do know some things and am able to do 2+2.
I worked as an analyst back in Russia. Got to see some interesting places and people. Before retiring of course.
Kim Philby
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Terrific post KP.
Like you I abhor religious fundamentalism and extremism. Although I have no belief personally in any God and don't subscribe to any religion, I also feel uneasy with an apparent growing erosion of basic values and decency in society generally.
For far too long large organised religious groups have attempted (quite successfully) to indoctrinate their followers with the belief that their brand of morality is the most righteous. Worse than that for me though, is the way they inextricably link morality with their religion and it's doctrine.
Religion is a great source of comfort for so many people, and I have great respect for that. It gives people a sense of purpose and meaning and a sense of community and a common peer approved set of values.
However, morality is not dependent on religious belief. A good moral compass is something that can be developed and nurtured in any human. Empathy, intelligence and compassion, are some of the more obvious attributes you will find in any decent person with a strong moral compass.
Large scale organised religion is great in the way it can reach out to so many people at once, but we each have to take responsibility for our own actions independently of any religious beliefs, and be guided by our own sense of right and wrong, and we must take great care as a society what we teach to children.
It seems 'me' has become so much more important than 'we' these days. There seems to be a growing selfishness in the world today. People seem to be more obsessed than ever with the needs of the individual. Narcissism not only is on the rise, but is actively encouraged and has become the norm in western society. Yes it is important to develop and cherish the individual, but we must never overlook the essential truth that without a genuine care and interest in each others' welfare and happiness our own individual experiences are greatly diminished.
Ryan.
Read discussionLike you I abhor religious fundamentalism and extremism. Although I have no belief personally in any God and don't subscribe to any religion, I also feel uneasy with an apparent growing erosion of basic values and decency in society generally.
For far too long large organised religious groups have attempted (quite successfully) to indoctrinate their followers with the belief that their brand of morality is the most righteous. Worse than that for me though, is the way they inextricably link morality with their religion and it's doctrine.
Religion is a great source of comfort for so many people, and I have great respect for that. It gives people a sense of purpose and meaning and a sense of community and a common peer approved set of values.
However, morality is not dependent on religious belief. A good moral compass is something that can be developed and nurtured in any human. Empathy, intelligence and compassion, are some of the more obvious attributes you will find in any decent person with a strong moral compass.
Large scale organised religion is great in the way it can reach out to so many people at once, but we each have to take responsibility for our own actions independently of any religious beliefs, and be guided by our own sense of right and wrong, and we must take great care as a society what we teach to children.
It seems 'me' has become so much more important than 'we' these days. There seems to be a growing selfishness in the world today. People seem to be more obsessed than ever with the needs of the individual. Narcissism not only is on the rise, but is actively encouraged and has become the norm in western society. Yes it is important to develop and cherish the individual, but we must never overlook the essential truth that without a genuine care and interest in each others' welfare and happiness our own individual experiences are greatly diminished.
Ryan.
05 May 2014 06:50:24
Whatever
Shaun
Read discussionWhatever
Shaun
Kim, are you "in the know".
If so may I ask what you do to know all of this stuff.
JK92
Read discussionIf so may I ask what you do to know all of this stuff.
JK92
04 May 2014 17:20:28
Ah Franky. I cannot discuss specifics. Yes various ufo related incidents were covered up, what government admits to the unexplained or powers with high tech.
There were standing orders that any odd incidents were to be written up and submitted to the blue folder. It seems that this was taken very seriously very high up. After the collapse a lot of files were released before the lid was put back on.
Kim Philby
Read discussionAh Franky. I cannot discuss specifics. Yes various ufo related incidents were covered up, what government admits to the unexplained or powers with high tech.
There were standing orders that any odd incidents were to be written up and submitted to the blue folder. It seems that this was taken very seriously very high up. After the collapse a lot of files were released before the lid was put back on.
Kim Philby
04 May 2014 15:26:24
Speaking of which just watching top gear Africa special on dave. And a lot of the roads have been built by the Chinese in exchange for oil.
Kim Philby
Read discussionSpeaking of which just watching top gear Africa special on dave. And a lot of the roads have been built by the Chinese in exchange for oil.
Kim Philby
04 May 2014 10:59:20
I'll just bullet all I want to say.
1. What if God is an alien? The way some things are laid out in religious texts support this. The ancients knew a lot of things but the problem was how to communicate this across time. How would you describe an aeroplane to someone who has never seen one before?
2. Religion doesn't start wars, its just the reason given for a war. Wars are over power, land, money, resources. Religion is just window dressing for masses to make them feel that the war is justified. It went out of vogue to be replaced by nationalism but now that's out of vogue and religion has come back in parts.
3. Faith doesn't harm anybody, I've never experienced religious faith. I was born in the Soviet Union, our faith was the Party and the cult of Marx and Lenin. But faith in anyway is important to people, you have to have something to believe in. Collapse in faith is a bad thing to witness and 1989-1991 was a shock to many. A lot of Russians flocked back to the churches when they reopened.
4. I agree with Editir
Read discussionI'll just bullet all I want to say.
1. What if God is an alien? The way some things are laid out in religious texts support this. The ancients knew a lot of things but the problem was how to communicate this across time. How would you describe an aeroplane to someone who has never seen one before?
2. Religion doesn't start wars, its just the reason given for a war. Wars are over power, land, money, resources. Religion is just window dressing for masses to make them feel that the war is justified. It went out of vogue to be replaced by nationalism but now that's out of vogue and religion has come back in parts.
3. Faith doesn't harm anybody, I've never experienced religious faith. I was born in the Soviet Union, our faith was the Party and the cult of Marx and Lenin. But faith in anyway is important to people, you have to have something to believe in. Collapse in faith is a bad thing to witness and 1989-1991 was a shock to many. A lot of Russians flocked back to the churches when they reopened.
4. I agree with Editir
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frankyscouser · 04 May 2014 11:17
frankyscouser · 04 May 2014 11:17Stevi I am not knocking anyone's view on religion, I am a roman Catholic but I do think it's a big lie and the biggest double standards are when we kill each other over different religions and gods.
Read discussion04 May 2014 11:11:21
I seem to have sent too early so I will carry on
4. I agree with Editor 007, there has been a decline in societies morals as religion has become less important. As an outsider who travelled here numerous times before settling here I have noticed the differences more sharply than others who have always been here to who its been more of a slow erosion barely noticed. You see things today that you didn't 30 years ago.
I'm not saying there needs to be a massive swing back to religion so get your hairshirts on. I despise religious fundamentalism and extremism. But some sort of return to basic morals and decency. Anyone who is a parent or grandparent and has seen modern music videos knows that they are very wrong.
5. We are all here to learn about things we have an interest in and to learn about new things we didn't know or thought of. Whether its gods or aliens no one can indisputably prove one or the other. Its probably both. let's have good discussion with evidence and theory without resorting to name calling and being nekulturny.
Kim Philby
Read discussionI seem to have sent too early so I will carry on
4. I agree with Editor 007, there has been a decline in societies morals as religion has become less important. As an outsider who travelled here numerous times before settling here I have noticed the differences more sharply than others who have always been here to who its been more of a slow erosion barely noticed. You see things today that you didn't 30 years ago.
I'm not saying there needs to be a massive swing back to religion so get your hairshirts on. I despise religious fundamentalism and extremism. But some sort of return to basic morals and decency. Anyone who is a parent or grandparent and has seen modern music videos knows that they are very wrong.
5. We are all here to learn about things we have an interest in and to learn about new things we didn't know or thought of. Whether its gods or aliens no one can indisputably prove one or the other. Its probably both. let's have good discussion with evidence and theory without resorting to name calling and being nekulturny.
Kim Philby
04 May 2014 11:41:33
If governments only traded with other friendly governments then there would hardly be any international trade at all.
Fact is China does billions of dollars of trade with America, Britain, Europe, Russia, there's hardly a country that doesn't trade with china either buying or selling.
China owns billions of American debt. Its rich Chinese businessmen buying exotic cars that keep your own jaguar and Aston martin companies afloat. Its China buying up tracts of Africa for resources. Putin is in talks with the Chinese for a massive trade deal.
I don't trust the Chinese, they were our second biggest enemy after the Americans but everyone trades with them. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
Kim Philby
Read discussionIf governments only traded with other friendly governments then there would hardly be any international trade at all.
Fact is China does billions of dollars of trade with America, Britain, Europe, Russia, there's hardly a country that doesn't trade with china either buying or selling.
China owns billions of American debt. Its rich Chinese businessmen buying exotic cars that keep your own jaguar and Aston martin companies afloat. Its China buying up tracts of Africa for resources. Putin is in talks with the Chinese for a massive trade deal.
I don't trust the Chinese, they were our second biggest enemy after the Americans but everyone trades with them. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
Kim Philby
Stevie, while I can't disagree with your thought process, I think there is far more available evidence that aliens have made contact, then there is a god/gods.
My beliefs on religion is expressed in the below video. A must watch.
DMT, The Spirit Molecule - documentary
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CiqzHzAx4ro
Melbourne CFC
Read discussionMy beliefs on religion is expressed in the below video. A must watch.
DMT, The Spirit Molecule - documentary
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CiqzHzAx4ro
Melbourne CFC
My replies haven't been getting posted in the last few days, so I'll take care to be careful with what I'm saying, as to avoid causing offence.
Stevie Thai
The religions/faiths I'm familiar with are, Christianity, Judiasm, The Mormon Faith, and Islam. Albeit more personally with Christianity. I know of more, such as Buddhism, Hinduism and all the others most have heard of. So there's your answer.
Thing is, all these religions, and every other one that's out there, are based on older/ancient beliefs. Anyone who can read, can see themselves by reading religious texts, and texts of the ancients, that religious groups have "borrowed" their main tales from the ancients. The epic of Gilgamesh itself is quite the read, and becomes ever so familiar when you've heard the exact same story in a church/synagogue/mosque etc. So in short, religion can say what it likes, but they are all one in the same, lies. Mark Twain once said " religion started when the first co man met the first fool" You'll have noticed I've not mentioned the whole Mormon concept. Reason being, it's complete silliness. If you've read or know of Joseph Smith, you'll know what I'm on about.
Listen Stevie, these are just my personal opinions, if you feel so strongly about your belief, my opinion shouldn't irk you the way it seems to do. Your opinion won't, and doesn't concern me, as it won't change my train of thought. Although I really do hope you reply and we can continue this discussion further.
Franky was merely stating what he personally feels on the subject of god, that's up to him, like it's up to you which you chose to believe or disbelieve. So why are you so wound up with someone's opinion?
Peace
Jay
Glasgow
Read discussionStevie Thai
The religions/faiths I'm familiar with are, Christianity, Judiasm, The Mormon Faith, and Islam. Albeit more personally with Christianity. I know of more, such as Buddhism, Hinduism and all the others most have heard of. So there's your answer.
Thing is, all these religions, and every other one that's out there, are based on older/ancient beliefs. Anyone who can read, can see themselves by reading religious texts, and texts of the ancients, that religious groups have "borrowed" their main tales from the ancients. The epic of Gilgamesh itself is quite the read, and becomes ever so familiar when you've heard the exact same story in a church/synagogue/mosque etc. So in short, religion can say what it likes, but they are all one in the same, lies. Mark Twain once said " religion started when the first co man met the first fool" You'll have noticed I've not mentioned the whole Mormon concept. Reason being, it's complete silliness. If you've read or know of Joseph Smith, you'll know what I'm on about.
Listen Stevie, these are just my personal opinions, if you feel so strongly about your belief, my opinion shouldn't irk you the way it seems to do. Your opinion won't, and doesn't concern me, as it won't change my train of thought. Although I really do hope you reply and we can continue this discussion further.
Franky was merely stating what he personally feels on the subject of god, that's up to him, like it's up to you which you chose to believe or disbelieve. So why are you so wound up with someone's opinion?
Peace
Jay
Glasgow
Reply · frankyscouser · 03 May 2014 23:00
frankyscouser · 03 May 2014 23:00I did see a few interviews with him with kerry cassidy who seemed to kiss his ass I just get the feller, either he thinks he is one of the chosen people or he is nuts or he is a disinformation agent
Read discussionThey did, they knew a lot about the solar system. but how did they know this and why is there 10 planets in their drawings?
Also, the "they're out in force" was meant in jest, I was just thinking before I put that, that we don't see many people on here "calling others out" but two turn up in 1 day.
It reminded me of the buses where none come for ages then two arrive at once. I didn't mean offence by it.
Jk92
Read discussionAlso, the "they're out in force" was meant in jest, I was just thinking before I put that, that we don't see many people on here "calling others out" but two turn up in 1 day.
It reminded me of the buses where none come for ages then two arrive at once. I didn't mean offence by it.
Jk92
They're out in force today lol.
JK92
bit derogatory.
lack of respect to anothers beleifs. very openminded.
surely openminds to expose double standrads and look beyond sweeping generalisations is what forums like this is about.
you would jump all over me if I LOL'd your thoughts on 9/11 or anything else you held veiws about.
disagreement is good, to see opposite sides of a coin helps to educate, but to ridicule is unintellegnt.
you may need more research into the ancient civilizations, they understood a lot more than what modern textbooks say. Graeme Hancock has done some good work, his lectures on consciousness and cave art are thought provoking.
stevie thai
Read discussionJK92
bit derogatory.
lack of respect to anothers beleifs. very openminded.
surely openminds to expose double standrads and look beyond sweeping generalisations is what forums like this is about.
you would jump all over me if I LOL'd your thoughts on 9/11 or anything else you held veiws about.
disagreement is good, to see opposite sides of a coin helps to educate, but to ridicule is unintellegnt.
you may need more research into the ancient civilizations, they understood a lot more than what modern textbooks say. Graeme Hancock has done some good work, his lectures on consciousness and cave art are thought provoking.
stevie thai
They're out in force today! lol!
passing of circumstantial evidence as concrete proof.
not nice when someone jumps all over you spouting pish, is it?
shaun wake up, educate yourself.
stevie thai
Read discussionpassing of circumstantial evidence as concrete proof.
not nice when someone jumps all over you spouting pish, is it?
shaun wake up, educate yourself.
stevie thai
They're out in force today lol.
JK92
Read discussionJK92
I believe God and the story of God (all of them) is an analogy to something that the ancient civilizations couldn't explain.
JK92
Read discussionJK92
Another thing, Silverstein who bought the WTC, for 3.2 Billion, before it was "attacked", insured it against acts of terrorism.
Its insurance pay out is 7.1 billion.
Enough to make a new complex and still have a huge profit.
Jk92
Read discussionIts insurance pay out is 7.1 billion.
Enough to make a new complex and still have a huge profit.
Jk92
Larry Silverstein admits WT7 was a controlled demolition.
http://youtu.be/8GhCKpVwcaQ
John Kerry also confirms it here.
http://youtu.be/7c2euMMh3zc
WTC7 -- This is an Orange
http://youtu.be/Zv7BImVvEyk
Shaun you might be interested to know that China and the US are doing about 10 billion dollars worth of business together every week. If you believe China is the enemy then that ties in neatly with the naivety of your views on WTC7.
Ryan.
Read discussionhttp://youtu.be/8GhCKpVwcaQ
John Kerry also confirms it here.
http://youtu.be/7c2euMMh3zc
WTC7 -- This is an Orange
http://youtu.be/Zv7BImVvEyk
Shaun you might be interested to know that China and the US are doing about 10 billion dollars worth of business together every week. If you believe China is the enemy then that ties in neatly with the naivety of your views on WTC7.
Ryan.