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I've always found it hard to understand that if the Americans really went to the moon what was it 6 times in 18 months, that the Russians wouldn't have tried at some point to go too. Unless they just didn't believe that they could get past the Van Allen radiation belts. Ed033 do you think Armstrong shunned the spotlight because he might have been troubled by the weight of carrying the burden all those years?

Ryan

{Ed033's Note - If Apollo did get to the moon then it was using black technology and because the moon is completely different than what we are being told and shown on video then Neil Armstrong would have had to lie to the world, if Neil Armstrong didn't go then he would have had to lie to the world and he imo didn't want to lie so shunned the spotlight.

Jose Escamilla created a documentary to show what the moon possibly really looks like in colour and some anomalies on the moon

I respect the man and also have one of his sayings tattooed on my arm

dio1989

Yeah g8 people should leave us alone, bunch of control freaks.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans meat is another mans poison. I think your tweeter could have a point Franky, its all about perception.

MrTrotskysGhost

Haha nice 1

Gibsy21 that is a colonial ideology if I ever saw one "we need European know how" Thanks, you guys can keep your Bushes, Obamas an Camerons this country is screwed up enough, africa doesn't need another control freak we have enough! they would literally rape this country and sell off our resources to their NWO buddys. We might become right but in 5years would go bankrupt (is that not happening in the west), atleast our corupt presidents are entertaining, look at Zuma he's damn comical to watch, and does his corruption in the open with his buddys an holmies. Not hiding in some snake hole trading with some lizard person (tongue in cheek)

Sorry, going back to the earlier post about how the Nazis meteoric rise to power it is simple. or maybe it is not by todays political parties all being the same. Before I continue, I do not wish to be lambasted as a Nazi of fascist or National Socialist, as I am not in any way shape or form.

I don’t want to do a history lesson as most will be aware of what happened, but we have recently seen a surge in people voting UKIP in the last local election, mainly due to the fact that people in mass did not / do not feel the major parties represent their views.

Similar thing happened in Germany, after WWI the country was going through a depression / mass unemployment / recession leaving the average German with no hopes etc. the National Socialists offered a voice to these people and won elections etc from there. Also, Hitlers rise to power was similarly meteoric and his party were able to promise that every German would have a home, a vehicle and job and spending money. All of which were delivered and is probably why so many people were willing to turn a blind eye to what was actually going on.

What you should be asking yourself is if a politician today could guarantee without fail that everyone in this country would have a home, job, car and spending money who wouldn't vote for them?

Scary stuff really

T.A.

I have great admiration for the man because of how he dealt with the end of apartheid. It would have been easier to show hatred towards those who oppressed them but instead Mandela advocated non retribution, considering both blacks and whites as part of and being S. African. Maybe his time in prison tempered his extreme violent streak. As for the posters who claim violence was the only way. In my opinion 2 far greater contemporaries of Mandela faced the very same difficulties (if not harsher at times), yet neither ever advocated any form of violence. Both Ghandi and Martin Luther King are the greatest examples we have ever seen on how to 'fight' oppression. I know the dignitaries across the world will laud and praise Mandela after his demise, but, a lot of this will be down to collective guilt. The majority of the so called democratic nations across the world stood idly by and never denounced the situation in S. Africa. I remember here in Ireland in the early 80's when supermarket workers forced the Irish Government to take a stand. People like you and me refused to work at their jobs in stores where S. African produce was stocked, because of how black people were treated. Only because of losing money did the supermarket chain, and to an extent the government, eventually side with the workers in denouncing the situation there.

Captain Needa

I've heard a saying simalar to this and maybe its partly were it has came from! basicly it says if you want to know how you actualy look take a picture of yourself as when your look in the mirror your only seeing a reflection of what you think you look like! the mind plays funny tricks, when I look in the mirror I see a hansone 18 y/o strapping mountain of a man looking back! i'm nowere near 18 anymore and have never even been close to being handsome, and hey some would even question if I was a man lol. I said the state of mind plays a lot over how you think you look compared to how you actually look!

I find it funny that some of the posters actually think they know anything about africa or their history, National Geographic doesn't show all.
While I completly agree that most or the majority of rulers in Africa are corrupt, don't forget that Europeans leaders are even more. Fact is had Mandela not tried to fight apartheid, today you would still see segregation, blacks would not still be allowed to vote or have any rights, this is what Mandela tried to change and not create civil unrest, unfortunately the only way was to fight against opression, something that I guarantee that if any of you had been in his shoes would have done the same if not worst. Mandela was never an angel but he is a simbol of peace.
He cannot be held accountable for what the current leaders are doing.
Lastly to the poster who said they need European know how to run the country. just stop thinking you would the world a favour. Europe is at its worst state and if you really believe that any of europeans are fit to run an African nation you don't know what are you talking about.

Mayor

Cancer is actually a bacteria

The italian doctor guy is wrong!

Although Fungus does contribute to Cancer

Cloned sheep years ago mate and it would not surprise me at all if black projects have been cloning humans so not a mute point in my opinion.

Generally speaking, terrorism is the wrong answer to the right question.

MrTrotskysGhost

Fortunately we'll never see a realistic clone of ourselves so mute point really

Not too sure what I believe with this one. the evidence is against is circumstantial and his own family albeit adoptive family provided the evidence against him ie weeks after the murders had taken place they found a silencer in a cupboard. they then inherited everything.

also, the police apparently ballsed up the crime scene and moved things about. which they deny, but then again the police do have a history of lying / changing events to suit them / cover their own mistakes.

Basically, if he was to be prosecuted again today for the same crime would he go to prison? Probably not as the silencer would not be permitted as evidence as it was found by family members who stood to inherit everything weeks after the murder and the call to the police would have been recorded.

The prosecutions case was based on the phone call that was made to him and that there was no blood on the handset and that there was no record of the call to the police, although the defensive team argued there was evidence to the contrary.

I would say he would not be prosecuted today/ would be found not guilty which would equal a massive miscarriage of justice by any standard.
Any other thoughts on this. ?

TA

Weird thought put a clone of me in a lavish lifestyle then I could a right ----k, I think how you are brought up has a hell of a lot how you are.

It is an interesting subject & I don't think Frankys trying to say u would look completely different Twins are more than likely going to be similar but if someone who looked exactly like me walked past I probs wouldn't think anything of it if I even noticed. I think there's truth in that the minds a great thing I've seen myself think I look well then other days say I am one ugly bass it's probs all down to self esteem & self confidence probably before anyone wants to call me ugly my mum says I'm handsome Haha LOL

Rise & Shine

@brisvegas I think you'll find the Portuguese were the first Europeans to settle in SA, subsequently Dutch, French Huguenots (de Klerk is a descendent), Germans and British is varying numbers.

As well as the Khoi-San or Khoikhoi, you also have the Bantu, Xhosa (Mandela's tribe), Zulu, Ndebele, Sotho, Shangaan and Venda to name a few of the tribes that can easily be described as truly indigenous.

But to the original poster (I don’t think you’re a bigot, you’re just offering an opinion which I respect), I see Nelson Mandela as an activist who in the end believed he could not end apartheid by peaceful means alone, and it was ultimately the Sharpeville massacre that was the catalyst for the formation of the MK. It had a similar galvanising effect on the black community in SA as did Bloody Sunday in Derry. It was an inevitable reaction to a senseless slaughter of 69 peaceful protesters. That doesn't make the actions of the MK right, but the

That is why Mandela symbolically chose Sharpeville as the venue for signing the new constitution in ’96.

Ryan

1400s was when the 1st European came 2 the ape of Africa. The natives were the kho san, who eventually died ot due to exposure 2 exotic diseases from central Africans and Europeans. Since then the Europeans changed everything, whilst economically it was for the good, sociologically it was a mess. The Europeans placed the non white natives into a lower demographic. Mandela acted with the right intent but totally wrong practice. He was a naughty boy who used violence against predominently innocent people in order 2 get at the elites in the country. I didn't celebrate him as an activist but for what his aged self represented, and that being redemption, progress and humility.

Howeverthe people around him that made up the ANC, were piss poor and have run the country into the ground, Europeans have a knack of making successful civilizations on a tertiary scale! So imo if South Africa wants 2 grow it needs an infusion of European know how.

Interesting thought Franky. Bit of a head scratcher. Would you get on with your clone or would you be too similar :)

Ryan.