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12 Jun 2013 12:36:09
The rumour was that Mandela went to prison for, amongst other charges, throwing a hand grenade into a full school bus. I heard Alan Watt mention it, i've heard others ask about it, but i've never been able to confirm this myself. Anyone else heard this, or able to shed some light on the matter? pea

Good point jonesy, and your right about self defense but what I meant to say was for example,
a pedophile has abducted a family member then he molests but she gets away after the attack and alerts the police, two years down the line after a court experience he gets 9 years, he does 4 and back out in the community were he is spotted by a friend who rings you and says the perv is living in a community were they do not know he is a nonce, by the way in those two years the very close child is not the same child she was and is no longer the same happy child, I will admit I would at the least make sure he never walks again and at the most kill so you can class my hypothetical actions as premeditated and I can sort of understand some of these jhads (not the religious nuts)the ones that have had their whole family wiped out by a western missile and want revenge.
maybe that's just me and some of the remarkable families that have to deal with children go missing or molested and know their attacker are hell of a lot stronger than me.
by the way this is also a devils advocate question.

Great Link ED, Love to know what the weapon could do, or even if it is a weapon.

I was a young teenager I think, I remember bits about it but as a kid you never take any notice.

I can not speak for twins I am just saying it is a interesting subject.

I'm not missing the point at all Ed001. If you try to invade and colonise another nation you shouldn't really expect the natives to welcome you with open arms. They will resist and they should resist. What would you do if some foreign force tried to invade Britain tomorrow? Ryan. {Ed001's Note - no one is saying that, so again you are missing the point. Perhaps it is a little subtle for you, the difference between say Ghandi and Mandela.}

I kind of agree edd but everyone has their breaking points, even thou I am pretty mellow and chilled feller drunk or sober put me in a situation were close family ie kids/sister or mum are in danger and I could honestly say I could kill, just playing devils advocate. {Ed001's Note - that is in defence, not taking a fight to others, totally different thing.}

To ryan from original poster: the anc necklaced and murdered any political opponent, so no they wernt as discriminatory as the aparthied regime in their murdering, just thought i'd post because as soon as he dies the worlds 'dignitaries' will give chapter and verse on what a wonderful monument to justice and liberty he is. please don't mistake me for a bigot :)

I shal personally be upset and saddened when he goes (which I think will be this month unfortunately) As a white south african I admire and respect how he stood up and fought for what he believed in, destroying our oppressive last regime. Unfortunately again, that it was taken over by the next regime which is inept and unconcerned about the cultural problems we face every day, they seem to want to make the divide bigger instead of healing. It seems everyone nowadays wants to rule with the same playbook!

What do you know about South Africa Ryan. If you knew anything at all you would know that the koh San are the true indigenous south Africans. The current mob came from central Africa an nearly wiped them out. Then the Dutch and then only the English.

Cfcbrisvegas

What about identical twins which are reunited after never seeing each other? They recognise themselves.

Red Rout

If you want to burn a mosque that is up to you, you certainly shouldn't do it to honour me, no name. Ryan. {Ed001's Note - I think you are clearly missing the point Ryan. Violent reaction makes you no better than those you are reacting against.}

So Ryan, if fighting fire with fire is the right way to go about things, shall we start burning mosques after the Rigby murder, or is it only the white man who can be blamed en masse for the action of a few?

Yeah it was terrible the way he advocated violence against all those nice white South Africans who have been there since time began, and were just minding their own business, never bothering anyone until the black people just arrived out of nowhere and started to destroy their way of life. Ryan.

11 Jun 2013 22:15:09
His wife was a really nice person too.

Totally agree

11 Jun 2013 16:28:17
Ed that's what I was trying to say just don't think I explained it very well. It has been around for a long time just very rare. Its growth is a twenty century phenomena. And what's different between now and a century or two ago? The increase in technology. I think someone either by design or accident found how to activate the gene to cause harmful effects and seeded modern life with the activating agents necessary. Chemicals or radiation or whatever. Mort

{Ed033's Note - Yes, "dirty" electricity and the wireless technology affects our bodies in a negative way

It probably hit a very large steel frame building and sent it crashing to the ground. ;-)

MrTrotskysGhost

{Ed033's Note - Yeah, good one

It's still there. They're trying to drum up enough interest to get a documentary team to fund more dives I think.

Cheers for the link ed, I watch both parts last night and what dr Farrell says is plausible. Their is also talk on dr Joeseph mengler (think that's it) absconding to Brazil after the war. Can't understand why any nation would have sympathy for these people after what happened during the holicost.

Really interesting site eds

Vambo

{Ed033's Note - Thanks Vambo