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Cbp this site is opinion based, none of us really know the truth, for all I know everything I believe in could be bs but it is just my take on it.
as for people with a different view to me or anyone else then we can debate the pros and cons of a subject, there has been many a time when I have rethought a certain topic because someone has made a valid point,
the same as edd I have put my views across to my mates and to be honest on the whole they think I over exaggerate lol but now instead of saying there is a agenda to take your liberties away by the nwo I just say now its another way to tax you, which works lol.
to me this site we learn and share stuff for example the new energy meters they are trying to introduce, now if anyone tries to install one in my home can expect a f. o or worse, that just is one of many examples and to people who do not have the same beliefs as many of us more power to you it is a free world (erm its not, sorry could not help that)

Ryan mate everyone is entitled to there opinion, like you I agree I think our brave soldiers on the front line are being treated like a piece of meat to be used but like like my mate who wrote a post (liverpool19) he was actually there on the front line and now he has only just realised he was getting played, jay has been a regular for a few good years and makes a lot of valid points.

Ed001- Your wording says it all - reportedly. There is no doubt that the press have, unashamedly, sensationalised the entire story. Admittedly, they can only go by eye witness accounts but they have been slow to push forward the truth. The two bags attempted to behead and disembowel their victim after running him over. This would make sense of why people knelt over the lad to comfort him, without reeling back in horror. They must have cut him up enough for him to lose all his blood (press pictures show a large pool of blood to the right of the car) and then dragged him in to the road. With regards to the gun shots, as far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong) the only shots were fired by the police after one of the murderers fired at them. Allegedly, his gun back fired and either blew off his own hand or his finger. I love a good conspiracy as much as you guys but I just don't see it in this instance. This is just another example of how religion can twist a persons mind, in my opinion anyway. {Ed001's Note - it still doesn't explain a thing to me, I have seen people's reactions to a man carrying large blades with blood on his hands. It isn't to casually walk past like nothing is going on, as happened clearly in the video. It isn't to gather around to watch, with no sign of recoiling away whenever he gets close. I know we, as a society, are becoming inured to violence to others, but we still have that natural fear instinct when our own life is potentially endangered. None of the people around showed that response at all. It is very weird, disturbing in fact.}

Thank you Jay for your balanced and objective response. If you think British troops are in Afghanistan and Iraq to help the ordinary citizen then you clearly are a sponge who willingly absorbs the propaganda from the mainstream media without question. They are not there to help little old ladies across the street pal. Thank you also for reading my previous posts too. Sadly your views sound very much like all the other sheeple who can't tell the difference between what they are told and what they think. You are always sounding off getting upset with anyone who doesn't agree with you and it makes for great entertainment especially when you sign off with 'peace'. Enjoy your happy meal 'bud''. You would be dangerous if you had a brain.
I'm off to scour YouTube now for some of that thumping music and flashy graphics lol!

Ryan.

Ryan.

With murp on this one all the way. the speed of all these false flags is getting pretty intense, clearly leading upto something I don't want my daughter to bear witness to. sad sad times.

Not trying to take a dig here guys, But there is no chance I would ever choose to live in the UK or USA. Travelled to both an admittedly enjoyed myself on holiday, but would never live their. i'm very happy here in my "3rd world" country as the "1st world" countries say! just the fact that there is a camera around every corner and you are being monitored constantly seriously freaks me out! again this is just my preference.

For those that believe this heinous attack on a defenceless man to be a false flag, I think you need to reassess the evidence available. Firstly, there is blood to the right of the car they ran the poor lad over in (plenty of it, some obscured from view in certain pictures) and by the time they had dragged him in to the road, his body had bled out. Secondly, as others have pointed out here, people thought it was an accident and that the two men were giving him first aid. This was before they noticed the knife and machete. It is just a sickening act of violence from two seriously deranged men, nothing more and nothing less. Society has become so violent in the last twenty years or so, I fear for future generations.
spudv {Ed001's Note - so how do you explain a reportedly beheaded man being given comfort by a passer by? Surely she would have noticed the head was not attached to the body? It is a genuine question, as I really don't understand any of this, it is all so bizarre how they could all be stood around watching yet eye witness reports claimed there was a gun and it was fired. In my experience, the average joe runs for cover when a gun is fired, not gathers to watch.}

Jay I'm just amazed that anyone thinks British troops are there

False flag means it is staged or planned mate. not by terrorist but by factions of our government/agencies/mi6 {Ed001's Note - it originates from when ships would fly a flag pretending to be one of your own ships and then attack you. It just means the attacker is not actually of the origin that it pretends to be.}

Can I just ask what the he'll is a false flag?
Cheers Belfast boy

That must be annoying with the fan but it is better than letting it burn itself out. Scouse_Pride
Regarding smart phones, I have never owned one as I stopped owning mobiles in 2008 as they are just trackers.
By the way I am very paranoid haha!

Well ed! Democracy is what's best for the ordinary person. And most of these places are aching for the right to vote and to have democracy! I take it with your snide comment you don't support our troops?

So what do you make of the incident?
And what are you suggesting our troops are really up to?

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

Ps! Again ed, you seem to like posting on my comments and no one else's! Why is this? You agree with everyone else's views but mine? {Ed001's Note - I don't edit this site mostly, and your comments are bizarre, always trying to tell others what is best, rather than giving an opinion and letting them decide. Democracy is best for the ordinary person, for instance. How is it best? Because it gives them a false impression of being able to make a difference maybe? It certainly doesn't give them any real power, as the way the vote goes will mostly be determined by the media. Who owns the media? Oh that's right, it is the rich and powerful!
As for supporting our troops, I am not sure in what way they are ours? I certainly don't want them in Afghanistan fighting to protect opium crops or in the Gulf fighting to protect big businesses interest in oil. If they were truly ours, they would be at home looking to protect us, not out there prosecuting illegal wars which are seeing my friends dying for a lie.
As for the incident, I have no idea, the whole thing is bizarre. If people are truly standing round filming someone being chopped up and not backing away when a guy with blood on his hands, holding a machete approaches them, then our society has completely failed. I do find it very strange that people would do that, when the natural reaction is to edge away from a threat or to attack it. The flee or fight reaction is a very strong survival instinct that is ingrained in us, so why did that not appear?
By the way, there was nothing snide about my comment. At least I have the common courtesy to allow people to choose their own beliefs, rather than constantly trying to force mine on others. Anyone who signs off with peace should really no better. And your paranoia is worrying, considering I only replied to one post of yours, when you have posted a multiple number in this thread alone.}

Listen mate let's say we agree to disagree and if any evidence in the future comes off that it was a false flag I will hold my hands up and say you were right all along, to the unnamed poster.

I ask myself that question sometimes, if I won the lottery would I move abroad? honest answer would be I would probably live abroad a few months out the year, I could not leave for good, like jay mentions there are a hell of a lot worse places than here, what I will say is I fear for the next generation, the last twenty years have changed dramatically and some of the stuff that you can see or watch are truly shocking, I have to get this off my chest how the hell can the media publish pictures of a murderer holding a machete with blood on his hands? to me the way the media has handled this event is to shock and get people angry, de-sensitise us all for the future, I am probably the oldest on here and page 3 was the most daring thing I have seen, but kids could go to the local shop to get sweets and see those images, its not right, so fast forward another 20 years will this be the norm, like football results?
i hope not.

To be fair to Franky there are other arguments.
1. The amount of blood depends on what happened and when, as far as I can tell the majority and I cringe while typing this of the hacking happened when the poor guy was dragged into the middle of the road
2. The majority of people at first thought it was a traffic accident and that (read the eye witness accounts) the killers where trying to give first aid to the guy.
3. The actual attack would have been quick and then the realisation of what happened would have taken time to sink in, I doubt the majority of us would of on first sight of such attack would instantly get out our mobiles and start filming.
4. Finally when the police arrive on site with guns you take cover and quickly.
Not saying I, Franky or anybody else is right and you never know in six months we might be eating our words but one thing is for sure in my mind this feels nothing like 9/11.

I will keep an open mind on this one but I just cannot see the conspiracy and will calmly debate the incident until proved otherwise.

Jonty

24 May 2013 00:31:04
Yeah I know how you feel mate. I turned down the opportunity to work in RAF once I learnt more about 9/11 being an inside job and the so called war on terror.
I would have loved to be able to say that I've defended my country. But the problem for me is.
Who are we really defending it from?
LFC 2929

I do with my current one as the fan won't turn off so I will already be in the habit. Although I understand your concern, was just pointing out you don't Have to have it in all the time

Like I said mate! I don't expect anyone to agree with my views, because they are MY views! You talk an awful lot of game with no evidence as well bud, very unconvincing!
I believe out troops are doing what they can in hope of helping others! Just what do you think is going on? Take it you've viewed a few vids on YouTube and went with conspiracy because a few persons with nothing better to do has added 2 + 2 and got 5 with some flashy graphics and haunting music! Lol
Get a ****in grip!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

Ps! Simpy responding with the type of decency you have shown good sir! {Ed001's Note - strange views you have, considering democracy should be something you choose, not something forced on you.}

Good post feller glad u joined the site.

Would you be arsed unplugging it after every time you used it?
Scouse_Pride