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Yeh I go along with that, another thing the more I see of Stephen fry as we talked about before v for vendetta movie the more I think he is like the character of the movie Gordon Deitrich a upper class actor who has a social conscious, as for the land of the free (usa) I would put plenty of money in a bet that fox news never admit to the public that they have more slaves sorry prisoners than those mad dictators from china to iran, like I have always said the western alliance has the best propaganda machine in the world.

Mate a revolution will happen if things are dire all over the world and I don't mean a world wide recession we have now, you have to ask yourself what would it take for you to revolt? not able to feed your family?no medical care? granted it has to be really bad for a revolution and it has to effect 90 per cent of the people as things can not continue as they are, but one day maybe not in my lifetime but it will happen.

If you do have an interest in area 51 you should also delve into the stories of Dulce Air Force Base. As Franky mentions it can be a lot more interesting. I also accept Area 51 was where testing and back engineering of peculiar craft has taken place. Being part of the large Nevada Test Site, Area 51 was always going to be cloaked in some form secrecy from its inception. While this may have had nothing to do with aliens at first it certainly was because of the people working there. It's possible many of the Germans (not all were Nazis) brought over via project paper clip were eventually put to work in places like Area 51. Their area of expertise after all was mainly in the advancements they made in aerial flight and weaponry. Wernher Von Braun wasn't the only German whose ideas were coveted by the victors. As great as NASA thought hey were with him the methods employed by Korolev for the USSR brought better results. As a believer in other advanced lifeforms I see some truth in the claims made by the likes of Lazar and Lear. However, I also accept hey could also be fed outlandish falsities to make everything seem ridiculous. When you consider some of the ways Governments do business with each other in documents on Wikileaks it isn't beyond belief that agreements have been made with entities who are more advanced than us.

Captain Needa

20 Mar 2013 16:49:19
a revolution that will never happen franky too many vested interests for it not to happen.

I definitely would like to think that there was things in the past there, because frankly if we were the only life excluding animals etc it would be extremely boring

Area 51 was the first thing I was really in to in the 1980s read a lot about it subscribed to a sci fi publication every month, right my take on area 51, I do think there was a craft in new mexico in the 40s and was probably took to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, then when they acquired area 51 in the 50s they took the disc and successfully done reverse engineering . I am open minded about bob lazar and john lear claims in other words I believe in some of the stuff they are saying but not all, I do not think anything suspicious is going on there now because it is to public, to be honest I find dulce more interesting than area 51.

Some of the sandy hook interviews looked strange I am not saying they are acting but very weird but I do know that during the gulf war a twelve year old girl from Kuwait done a interview to the media claiming Iraqi soldiers stormed in to a hospital and killed babies and children she was crying her eyes out, later on a researcher traced that the girls farther had connections to the CIA and the girl had been receiving acting lessons from the age of four, so no doubt it does happen.

Really looking forward to watching this documentary this is exactly my cup of tea, sadly doubt I will have time to until next month due to writing a dissertation and finishing my undergraduate coursework until then, probably shouldn't even be wasting time on here just now but love being kept up to date with what people are saying here. Thanks for link ed

AH72

At what time in the song?

Yes I've heard of this before, i'm sure I seen a video about a woman that was one of the sandy hook victims mother that done an interview, that same woman was also seen in a nat geo documentary I believe acting as someone who was getting interviewed. Not 100% but its something along those lines.

MM

Deffo strange mate could be a hologram who knows?.

I think we try to label to much like if we are left wing or right wing, I was brought up on socialist beliefs but even with that its a rich hierarchy dictating to everyone else, to me its never going to be resolved within the law or new parties anew labour/socialism because the banking cartel has a vice like group over most of the planet, to me its going a worldwide revolution and going for the jugular of these powerful families /bloodlines, to do it democratically is near impossible now.

I don't have a clue if they're Alien or some sort of secret air crafts but thee were a few really strange looking ones, especially the one at 8min and the one over Jerusalem.

Does that make Rothschild the Emperor if we're continuing the Star Wars theme?

Its all BS, its one level of control after the other, religion, politics, taxes, sport, tv, dumbing down etc etc.

Your pre conditioned as a kid onwards who to dislike, back as a kid it was the Soviets and the Irish (IRA & the Cold War still at their height) All those Englishmen, Scotsmen and irishmen jokes its just racial conditioning at alow level for kids. Films we had stuff like Rocky 4 and Rambo 3, ooooh the evil Soviets. (Well yes they were on one hand, go read Solzhenitsyn) but was the West that much morally superior?

The issue for me is that there is no credible alternative currently available. You mention Socialism and people get twitchy, o but it didn't work in Russia, conveniently ignoring or not knowing that true Socialism has never existed. Marx got a lot wrong this is true, but I feel we need a new Socialism for the 21st Century and a credible alternative to this cycle of greed propelled boom and bust.

Mort

Good post captain, like edd said about the powers that be its brainwashing propaganda that's why we are fed who we should hate like people who pray to a different god or if I was a politician my comments on this subject would have cast me as some sort of xenophobia racist, its to conquer and divide the people, to be fair maybe I should have explained my original comments more thoroughly but I do think captain we are pretty much in agreement, there is no difference from a poor white roman catholic from Liverpool to a poor black Muslim from Pakistan until the propaganda machine kicks in then all the crap about religion kicks off (my rant over now lol) captain maybe you should posts a topic about subjects you are in to?, we all learn off each other on this site, once again good post man.

Excellent documentary. I must admit I have avoided most of these type of docs dealing with financial institutions before now. My area of interest is ufo's, consciousness, the so called war on drugs and religions through the ages (won't mention anything about them). The part he mentions about the templars is very appropriate to how people can be demonized by any institution, for their own benefit. It's an area I'm familiar with as I study medieval history/religion, and many people are unaware that the templars were cleared of all charges, only after their assets were seized. I ended up looking up the historical content of the Bretton Woods agreement. Came across an interesting paper from 1946 justifying the whole agreement. This caught my eye.
"It is agreed that national policies must be harmonious and complementary
and that the prosperity of each country is dependent on the prosperity
of all. No one would contend that prosperity, say, in England would be
adversely affected by prosperity in the United States. On the contrary,
it is clear that a depression in the United States would undermine
prosperity in England and in other countries. "

My argument would be that the third part of the statement has been done by the banks who are in control. We are seeing how a global recession that begun in the USA is effecting the ordinary people worldwide but not the banks or bankers. I understand more what you were saying now Franky after this. I don't think we are as far from agreement as might have seemed. I was addressing the manipulation of people by governments in order to blame others. I can understand better where you were coming from after viewing this. Credit to the OP for the link. ON a final note the comment by Andrew Jackson about bankers being vipers and thieves shows how little has changed. Here in Ireland those vipers and thieves are alive and well and still go unpunished for what they do. Sorry for the long rants people, must go hassle TED, again, for their actions regarding the removal of Graham Hancock's presentation. And ed033 going to keep the handle though I will never stray to the dark side.

Captain Needa

To be honest mate to me that was not a alien craft, I haven't got a clue what it was but every other legitimate ufo in my opinion does not leave any type of cloud/fuel/flare, to me out of that youtube video I would say 10 per cent were genuine alien craft the rest man made, Cloud anomalies or hoaxes.

I just logged on Franky and will watch once I've seen the UFO link above. Cheers

Captain Needa

What did you make of the Alien face franky at 8 min. if it was an alien craft it's like they're showing us who they are.

Good link mate.