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No mate some of the dole dodgers as you put it have no option, I will give you an example. my wife was a cleaning supervisor with a computer company and was on really good money, it went belly up because of the recession and she had to take redundancy money, after the redundancy money ran out we had to claim benefits, she wanted to work and found a part time job and declared it to income support thinking its a bit extra money, well after working 10 hours a week she earned £2.20p for those 10 hours in fact we lost money because she drove to work, the income support deducted what she was earning from our benefit, my point its not all straight forward genuine people want to work for decent money and as for the working class selling out, you need to look back at what thatcher did before you jump the gun.

08 Mar 2013 19:39:14
People are too busy trying to keep their own heads above water without worrying about other people. Some eejit at work was going on isn't it shocking about what's happening in syria when someone else said blow syria the price of petrol and gas is what's shocking. And in his way he had a point. People will only concern themselves with what directly affects them not something they perceive as intangible. Yes we on this site knows it affects them but they don't, can't, won't see it. And that bit about the working class revolting made me laugh. The working class sold out years ago mate. And anyway the working class aren't even at the bottom of the pyramid anymore. The underclass of dole dossers and the imported slave class of minimum wage drones sit beneath the old working class.

To me the only way people will wake up is when it gets really bad, countries that have hit rock bottom revolt and there is the first sign of a revolution, we all bitch about every tax they hit us with but at the end of the day we pay it, but if we hit rock bottom and the working class are all struggling to eat /drink/housing then you will get people waking up and revolting, these elite are clever people they know they are screwing us but they don't go the whole way in case of a revolution.

Its a joke, I know intelligent people that I have shown evidence of what these people are doing and how controlling they are and in return I am told that i'm the one that's paranoid lol. I have put time and effort into researching a good few things before I ever spoke out and fair enough there are some "conspiracies" that even I don't think are true but the one that is consistent is this international bank cartel and the grip they have on the world economy. Edd what do you think would happen if everyone just stopped paying the banks back money they owed? Government bail them out again. Haha.
Also I am trying to figure out how to stop tax coming off my wage automatically, without becoming self employed. Because I simply wouldn't pay it!

AH72

{Ed033's Note - What people don't know is with loans/mortgages etc. they are both the creditor and the debtor in 2 different capacities and banks are just the "middlemen" for the transaction. But when the creditor signs the credit agreement (creates a promissory note i.e. cash), they give power of attorney to the bank, which then allows the bank from then on to sign documents as the creditor, which means from then on the bank takes on the role of creditor even though the bank is never the actual creditor.

With the tax issue, the first step could be to have a meeting with your "boss" who pays you and just ask them if they would stop taking tax off your wages because you want to take responsibility for any of your tax liabilities and you don't mind signing something which places any tax liability on you. Surely this would be beneficial to your "boss" if they no longer have to work out your tax liability.

08 Mar 2013 13:52:00
Gaul wasn't feral. Germania was. Gaul's problem was it wasn't uncivilised enough. Germania was uncivilised and never conquered. Gaul was civilised enough to resist but not uncivilised enough to win. Pretty much every civilised nation around got conquered by Rome.

I think stupid is probably the wrong term to use when generalising an entire countries population that have a horrible communist dictator in power.

Melbourne CFC

Recently Kim-Jong Un passed a law that all Koreans should have one of 28 specially selected haircuts, I think the North Koreans actually are THAT stupid.

I really don't understand what's going on with NK. I mean they really can't be THAT stupid? Or is there something else going on?

I'm not sure I understand what the and Koreans are upto.

Yeah they have a million strong army. With mostly 2nd hand Chinese castoffs from the 70's.

This new guy I don't get the move. His dad managed to at least keep the peace for 20 years even depsite the nuclear weapons programme. The guy's got to know if he kicks it off Korea is toast. Or does he know how badly messed up they are and its a case of if their going down then trying to take as much of their opponents as possible with them?

The Yanks surely have some right dodgy high end black tech. I mean back in the 80's they were talking Star Wars defence programs and spent billions on it. Bush Jr carried on from Reagan and as far as I am aware Star Wars was never cancelled and continues to be funded. (Why else does the Pentagon have a Space Command? its got zip to do with spy satellites. )

So if anyone did flip a missile at DC ot NYC or LA so example the Yanks wouldn't be too worried?

And its not even like the and Koreans are anywhere near mounting a small enough warhead onto a missile based on what all the "experts" are saying.

Even the Chinese seem to be trying to reign them in a bit. I guess they don't want to see the Yanks get beat before they can pay their debts.

Mort

Also turning up heavily pregnant at least proves she's fertile which is a big selling point in some cultures today never mind back then, probably wouldn't be short of offers.

The best thing to do would have been to skedaddle straight put of Judea, but the only real options you've got are settle in some other province of the Roman Empire or head east into Parthia. Rome's probably the easier option as its larger so more chance of anonymity. At this point no-one really cares about Mary Magdalene apart from a few Jewish religious figures that JC had upset. But with him dead they'd probably not be too bothered about her. All speculation but I can see her heading to Gaul, its far enough away from Judea, its litle more than a Roman backwater, little more than a staging area for campaigns in Germania and shuttling troops into Britannia, its safe, quiet and there's enough good sized towns to hide in for a quiet life. The locals aren't going to cause any trouble, the Roman's wouldn't be bothered as long as taxes are paid on time. Mort

Amen boozy amen.

Yeah at the time of the crucifxtion somewhere around circa 33ad Gaul had been part of the Empire for something like 70-80 years, The younger generations wouldn't have known anything else. The Gauiish nobility (basically the ones that survived Alesia anyway) would have been Romanised.

I think i've finally managed to track down my copy of the Templar Revelation and plan on reading it at the weekend. Now if only I can find where she's hidden Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

Mort {Ed001's Note - also there were none of the overpopulation pressures you have nowadays, when new people arrive in an area. There were more jobs than people, so any new people were welcomed as a helping hand in gathering/planting crops, even if they had no skillset to add to the community.}

Supposedly Chavez' right hand man will be next in line, hopefully there's no messing around with the election and he gets it. The normal people of the country, will certainly not want one of the other, American affiliated politicians gaining power. If they do manage to get an American puppet into power it will be a sad time for Venezuela, dragging them back years into poverty, whilst the corporations make lots of money off of the peoples resources

What played out in Venezuela in 1992 mirror images what happened in Libya and now in Syria all countries supply oil and when they wanted america to play ball and pay there fair share the next thing these countries are accused of human rights issues against there own people and being a threat to world peace with having a so called dictator running there country, its groundhog day all over again, I do hope Venezuela people elect someone credible and not a puppet elected president.

I watched 'The war on democracy' which began speaking about Chavez then covered the 'forced democracy' which the Americans applied to most Latin American countries. A very interesting documentary, the ignorance of the CIA is shown, when one of their cronies is asked questions, his answers are frankly embarrassing and just shows their mentality. Definitely recommend watching it on youtube

No, I just think people would rather read about Kate Middleton and her baby, so the press focus on that instead.

Adam

Great shout Franky,

This documentary was shown twice in one week over here it Ireland when it was first aired, such was the amazement with it. The amount of interference by the US that is evident in the show is an indication of the nefarious ways they do 'democracy' within US circles.

UFO, s are not something to be believed in, they are a fact, if you see a flying object and can't identify it hen that makes it a UFO, it is aliens that are to be believed in, or not.

The Gauls of the time were either under Roman rule, or if their settlement became too large or too powerful they would be moved on like travellers by the Romans.

The Gauls living under Roman rule were free to trade and prosper to a degree, but history does not give the impression that the Gauls were welcoming to foreigners. The story indicates they were welcomed with open arms? Also, why would the Gauls who worshiped animals, rivers etc accept foreigners and a new belief system? {Ed001's Note - what history does not give that impression? Because any history I have read, ones that don't refer to them as barbarians, show them to be trading with the world and living hand in hand with local peoples. For instance, in Britain, there were Britons, Cornish, Gauls and many other small groups of people, all mingling and trading, with little issue between them. In fact they were happy to unite to fight the Romans. I don't see what you are on about regarding beliefs, when there were hundreds of different belief systems spread throughout the area. Why would they suddenly be against one more? There is no reason to think that would be so at all. Again you are bringing modern thinking into it and not realising that they did not think the same way as you think they did.}

Maybe feral was a bit harsh, but my point was that the Gauls who had not been displaced by Romans or who were not settled under Roman rule would be unlikely to accept a pregnant foreigner and their contingent in their fold.

Was it also the same book that said the offspring of Mary became the Merovingians or was that in another book? I can't remember. Anyhow, as I said the interesting parts form the Holy Blood book was the part about the Cathars and the Bezieres – spelling. massacre and why so many chose to die rather than go free?

I know religious doctrine of the time was Christian and the whole of Christendom, but why turn your back on your faith to die as a heretic?


TA {Ed001's Note - the Gauls were a very mixed group of people, why would they not accept a pregnant foreigner when they were all foreigners driven out of other lands by the Romans? I really don't think you have a good grasp on the history of that time, if you feel that. You seem to be talking about a group of people using modern beliefs, with no idea of how the belief system has been changed since then.}