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A certain Pep guardiola tested positive for nandrolone when at Brescia but somehow he sort of went un-punished due to some sort of technicality, the club doctor (don't have a name but its out there) was a couple of times at clubs where players tested positive for steroids, this same doctor is also currently one of the club doctors at Barcelona! There are a few accusations from last year believed to be started by Real that since 2008 Xavi, iniesta, Messi have hardly ever been injured or really fatigued even when in a Barca team that Pep didn't rotate, but were always regularly injured before then FYI.
There are other doctors aswell linked who (fuertes I think is one) they've treated the Spanish national football team, Nadal, Tiger Woods to name a few clients.

Supasub

Plain Taunt Hall if you don't believe in religion, how do you figure that we will see what happens when we die? If you don't believe in religion when you die, you die, so u wont know if anything happens. If you do believe then there is the whole life after death thing where u go up or down or reincarnated as a giraffe maybe. From your reply it comes across as you are unsure about that side of things

Aaron

I wanted to press disgree but I am afraid God will get angry.

Haha, because David Villa breaking his leg proves theres no drugs taken at Barca...wtf! Also, Messi, Xavi and Iniesta have been there for years together since the youth teams so would be more likely to be exposed to any 'special tactics' they adopt than player's brought in from elsewhere IMO.

Gav

I don't know how you find it hard to believe how people believe in religion mate. I myself hit the disagree button and have some strong views of the subject, however, it is obviously ingrained in people from a young age from parents and other 'role model' figures for lack of a better word.

Scare tactics such as Heaven and Hell is what it's all based around. They scare a kid enough into thinking they must do good or be punished, especially by a 'higher power' and then mould them around Christian believes. Obviously different scenarios for different religions.

I think this link aimed it up well. Some may get offended so heads up

God is for idiots - Jim Jefferies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TynFaEQj_Ys&sns=em

Melbourne CFC

I disagree with religion, come on now, we humans cannot fathom who/what/when/how "god" is.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
Something cannot come from nothing.

both of them statements apply to both God and the big bang theory.

We'll see when we die what the truth is.

Plain Taunt Hall

It's not about injuries, it's about the doctor who was used on a "ad hoc" basis.

Supasub

"No name" I think your missing the point, the only thing you mention in your post is about what could knock me on about injuries, there were also rumours that Abidal was infact very ill because doping and not what was reported exactly. Anyway I'm sure if it did come out you'd be fine with it anyway I presume?

Supasub

Ok Ed - your comment, "I would just like to ask where he was initially when it happened? Or does this great god of theirs only bother to help when asked?", was indeed a serious attempt on your part, at an intelligent, respectful, adult discussion on Christianity, and not simply a sarcastic, smug, disrespectful dig at people who have a faith. My mistake.

Check out " why we went" by avro manhattan explains the farce that was the gulf of Tonkin & various dirty deals between the CIA & the Vatican... Kissinger the anti- Christ with a Nobel peace prize
Carlin&hicks

His Mrs has got a crackin set too!

Yes Billy, do you not remember us talking about it this time next year!

Puyol's and Villa's injuries were so severe that no amount of boosts could have prevented them.

Supasub you clearly dont watch much Spanish football as Barca have had probably more players injured ( with the exception of messi) than any team in la liga.... Puyol Pique to name but two have been in and out of the team for the last Two seasons due to injury.... David Villa leg break , Ibesta hamstring i could go on and on to prove your original post is flawed at best!! Messi on the other hand is rarely injured this may be luck it may be the fact he was on steroids to make him grow who knows for sure..... A conspiracy? Doubtfull

Great post Supasub, very interesting reading. I heard about the link between Armstrong's doctor and Barca a week or so ago on the radio and instantly remembered you getting banned from the United page ages ago for bringing up conspiracies, lol - straight away I knew that must have been what you were on about all those months ago! Well good work on the research. I won't believe anything fully until proven but it's a shame it's ulikely any1 will take it upon themselves to investigate Barca

Gav

Kissinger was cute and calculating , Nixon was a latter day bush evil and as thick as two short planks, he was that dumb he tried to bribe a judge that was in charge of the government v elsberg, he promised the judge he would make put him in charge of the fbi if he complied ,the judge threw out the case and told the world what had happened , that was the beginning of the end for Nixon, hence the wiretaps and the rest is history.
frankyscouse

But as it was hushed up so uch of the details never came out or are not well known.

I'm not saying the prem is squeeky clean but compared to serie a...

You can disagree without being disrespectful - and I note you haven't replied to that accusation. You know what you wrote, and what you meant by it, as does everyone else - lazy, childlike comment that just shows your inherent dislike and disregard for people who have faith of whatever description. Christianity and it's teachings are one of the bedrocks of democracy - I would always defend your right to give an opposing argument - your flippant comment was just a snide, off-hand remark that shows the sort of intolerant person you are. Typical of the supposed intellectual, left-leaning elite in our country, who preach tolerance..... as long as you agree with them. {Ed001's Note - you really are talking utter nonsense now. Christianity is far from the bedrock of democracy in any shape or form! You are the one making childlike, lazy comments, showing great disrespect and intolerance towards my beliefs. You are clearly extremely bigoted towards anyone who does not follow your belief system. You clearly have fundamental issues understanding the course of history and how democracy was formed. You are clearly extremely bigoted towards anyone who doesn't share your faith and assuming that means that others share the same bigotry and snideness that you have repeatedly shown. Yet again you have failed to answer my question, instead you have once again jumped to a personal attack due to your lack of any kind of sensible or intelligent answer. Just give it up, you may be articulate, but you are unable to do anything but turn this into a personal thing due to your lack of any kind of answer to any of the points raised about your religion. Instead you post lies and half-truths about what it has done and hidden yourself in anonymity. You are still the only one showing intolerance, with your childlike resort to hiding behind a lack of respect. Show me a reason why I should respect someone whose only resort is personal insults and is unable to give an intelligent or even a stupid answer to the questions raised? I respect those who deserve it, those who show others respect, unlike yourself, who jumped straight in with personal and quite frankly false insults. It is embarrassing now, you really should just walk away from the keyboard.}

I always thought Kissinger was deep throat, it wouldn't have surprised me.

Ellsberg if i remember correctly was why Nixon originally set up the "plumbers dept" to fix leaks and then excalated into house breaking and witretapping to find evidence to discredit people, specifically Ellsberg. Then bang: Watergate.

Incidentally a lot of people in the plumbers dept were connected to the Bay of Pigs and implicated in Dallas '63.

Mort

Well the diving and rolling around clutching their faces was bad enough. Then comes all the dodgy decisions, largely against english clubs.

I doubt anything will ever happen, but agreed would be entertaining.


Ed were you referring to the nandrolone scandel in italy? Davids and a few others failed drugs tests and got sent to bed with no supper it was that farcial. {Ed001's Note - there was so much more to it, it was a proven, calculated system of cheating - in a similar vein to this current Lance Armstrong one.}