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Spot on Ed. that's exactly how it feels. Then on the other hand they make people think the government owe them, with stupid taxes ie the pasty tax, I know it got scrapped, ridiculous amount of tax on fuel and the like. But others feel like the whole world owes them and claim anything and everything under the sun. I didn't mean to gallop thru on my high horse, I get so frustrated with misguided assumptions and scrounging fuc*ers that its like keyboard vomit. I start tapping away and can't stop.
Again apologies for the rant.

Aaron {Ed001's Note - no worries mate, we all need rants at times, hence the MMT site!}

Ed I can understand that people who don't have kids will not be happy about it. There is a lot about the benefit system I'm not happy with, like foreigners coming here claiming benefits for kids who live in their home country and sending the money back. People who sit on their arses all their lives claiming everything and more and what happens? An interview at a job centre every 3 months and still on benefits 20 years down the road. People who genuinely can't work thru genuine disability I fully understand and support.This country and its insane government and benefit system is joke and we are the laughing stock of the EU.

Aaron {Ed001's Note - I wasn't having a go mate, just making an observation. In my opinion the benefits system is set up to make people feel like they owe the government. It makes it much easier to recruit people to fight your wars if they feel they owe you.}

Yea we get child benefit ed, I know what you're going to say about it too. My point is I'm not claiming stupid amounts of money in rent and council tax and every other benefit under the sun. We live together and the only benefit we get is child benefit. Everything is paid for from my wages and the child benefit ie rent, council tax, electric, gas, tv licence, shopping. The way Andy put it across was we was claiming for everything and I done naff all else. And my point is, not everybody with large families are benefit reliant. That stereotype makes my blood boil. I get it when I'm out with my wife and kids, the looks people give and comments they make is enough to turn anybody insane. If the saw how hard I graft for the wage I get they would certainly sing a different tune.
I have been to job interviews and told the interviewer I have 5 kids and they have laughed and said "I wouldn't bother working". That is not the example I want to set for my kids, they will know you get nothing for free in this world. Yes we get child benefit, yes it's more than your "normal sized" family but that makes no difference due to food bills, clothing bills and other such things. Sorry about the rant, as I said, I'm not being stereotyped by somebody who knows jack sh*t about me.

Aaron {Ed001's Note - I was just pointing out that he might have been referring to your child benefit, which I know a lot of people that don't have kids are unhappy about.}

Because MP's have "guidelines" rather than laws like you and me, they are also make alot of "mistake's & "errors".

Supasub

At the moment government level monitoring is based on a "flag" system. Certain keywords and phrases are set in the same way as a spam filter and are then captured for analysis when used.
My current favourite monitoring technique is the facial recognition software as it clealry demonstrates the mentally of the masses. Would you walk down the street and stick a poster up on a wall with your photo, name, address and telephone number on it? No you wouldn't. But slap this feature on facebook and tell people "all your friends are doing it" and they will do it in their thousands. Take a look at the LFC website right now, there's a tag yourself in the stadium "competition" so in effect whats actually happening is a couple of quid has been invested in a few prizes and along come the supporters in the hope of winning something, hundreds of them happily slapping their name next to a photo which can now be used by the club or the police to identify you anytime they want to for any reasons that you won't actually be aware of.
The scam is by "entering" the competition or "using" the website involved that is what is used to accept you have granted your permission for your tagged picture to be used in any way they want.

Worth noting though (if you exclude downloaders) the least suspected, but most commonly prosecuted monitoring system is.....

Not big brother but the busy bodies who take offense at the things you write on the web and directly report you to the police for writing it in the first place. Nice friends we have eh.

Huws

Andy I don't rely on yours or anyone else's taxes. I work my balls off every single day for my wages. We do struggle sometimes but we manage most of the time. It's a typical stereotype that people assume, just because I have 5 kids doesn't make me a Jeremy Kyle watching, dole scrounging person who fleeces the state. Making assumptions like that can get you into a lot of trouble. Next time you make an assumption, get your facts straight. That has seriously pissed me off. So take your taxes an shove up your arse, I have paid my way since I was 16 and I'm now 30 and ill continue to do so until circumstances tell me otherwise. I do agree with you tho. If you can't afford to have kids then wait until a time when you can. We lived in a 3 bedroom house and had my 2 daughters in one room, my 3 boys in another and me and the mrs in the other. I would never dream of asking for two houses knocked into one. That is just taking the mick.

Aaron {Ed001's Note - do you get child benefit or whatever it is called these days though?}

I'm sorry but a lot of problems are foreigners. Yes we have bad English scum, but we could control just the english.

Sorry tam never seen it.
frankyscouse

Im sorry tam65 but you didnt leave a name :P

Irish Red Jr

O come on that shooting was to take away the lime light from the 7/7 bombings. And guess what it worked, to most of the media believers.

Most man united fans aren't from Manchester anyway, what difference does it make? Who ever sings it should really think about what their saying. BLUEBOY1

Fair point lets try and get the main point across in our topics .
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - luckily, posts and replies being edited means we can keep most of the flaming away.}

I'm not racist in anyway but these nmuslims who play the race card are really doing my t1ts in. If the uk is that bad the feck off

Like changing the subject?maybe so edd but if people are easily lead in another direction then they always will,or am i being to harsh?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - not changing the subject, just destroying the discussion so people completely forget about it. People are very easily distracted when angered, they just remember the argument and forget what else was happening.}

The mind boggles ,i think 90 per cent of people on this particular site have strong and grounded views anyway so i doubt any flame threads are gonna make people change there views .
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - no, but they just cover up any passing on of information.}

To be honest it would not surprise me at all about sites like this being monitored,a little surprised about the flame threads thing thou,has it happened before on any other sites you know?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - happens all the time on the Guardian comments sections, companies employ people specifically to do it.}

I agree with what you are saying aaron , but you can have as many kids as you want so long as YOU can afford to pay for them i have 1 and he is now into everything , i went to school with a lad who has now got 7 kids and the council have given him two 3 bed semis knocked into 1 , why should he have two houses ? they could give me 1 so i can rent it out ? its the same story you and your 5 kids will be getting alot of money from my taxs !!..............andy.

Have you put there posts on here even thou there might be a chance they are trying to divert the topic?i have thought even before thou mentioned this that there was one person who was trying to wind up people over a topic i mentioned ,i could be going paranoid thou but i am getting someone or people disagreeing with everything i say which is fine but one of the posts was i was going to middlesbourough for a few days and i got 5 lol.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - I would just ignore the disagrees myself, a lot are just accidental on phones and others people trying to cause mischief. We normally give them a chance with their replies, unless they are just being obtuse for the sake of it, when we just delete them.}

Really?any particular topics edd?and is it a certain person doing this or a few?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - impossible to say for sure how many people there are, different IP addresses could still be one person. It is the more up to date topics, discussion of news items seems to be the ones that entice them in.}

I got jumped in glasgow a few years ago and my only defence was to bite the guy on the neck taking a big chunk.

i got a 1750 fine no jail. Scots law is different but its a similar case. he should appeal. xoesbt sound right but these muslims are causing is all sorts of problems playing the race card everytime anything happens and they always get away with it. look at this carry on over a stupid video. 50 dead. no remorse. if we rioted every time some called the pope a rottweiller. can u imagine. they are500 years behind the west. atleast