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Reply · HP · 03 Jul 2016 19:45
03 Jul 2016 20:43:13
Is anyone watching the tripe on Sly News about Brexit? It's doing my head in. It will happen, UK will leave the EU. TB will be brought to justice, as will Bush. I feel there is a change in the world, happening and it's increasing. More people waking up day by day, . MSM are just pandering with their elite friends and making it look like its ww3 because of Brexit. More and more people won't have that anymore.
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Reply · southampton87 · 03 Jul 2016 17:37
03 Jul 2016 18:15:50
Yes I watch Blair on a CBS interview
He was wriggling all over and you could see
He is heavily involved in the EU or benifits go to his
American friends and he gains browny points
And also I see another man say there is no chance Blair will be in a type of court
The government need a lesson
Last time it happen properly was so long ago people have lost any sense of pride or people power

Even that Branson was crying and trying to push a second ref
Whilst people like this have money and are around power
We have NO chance of true democracy
We need to stand up be counted in a way they cannot ignore.
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Reply · HP · 03 Jul 2016 15:59
03 Jul 2016 16:25:00
That's just crazy, everyone and their dog knows he and Bush are entwined in it all. TB was on Sly News earlier giving it mouth about 'statesman. EU. ' He better steer clear of the negotiations once Article 50 is invoked.
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Reply · southampton87 · 03 Jul 2016 15:59
03 Jul 2016 16:24:37
They need to reject them GM chickens
There was a place sorry forgot where
But after earthquakes destroyed there home
Monsanto tryed to scam them with GM seeds that would have destroyed there farming land
And in future they would have had no choice but grow GM
And buy the seeds from Monsanto
But at least even they where switched on to the fact
And burned the lot

Is it possible for GM chicken poo can do the same to the ground they grow as the seeds do?
Or is it unlikely.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 03 Jul 2016 13:05
03 Jul 2016 13:49:52
as you guys might know george galloway detest him and is on question time next week were they will discuss chilcot, he thought his handlers would let him fry and take part of the blame with bush but obviously he is still very important .
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Reply · frankyscouser · 28 Jun 2016 17:11
28 Jun 2016 18:02:49
deffo, they could not do it before the eu vote as it would have pissed off a lot of the younger votes and they would have got the blame for the defeat .

chilcot massive as its reported he will ask for war crimes against him if the report showed he lied.

they are throwing everything including the sink.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 27 Jun 2016 18:48
27 Jun 2016 19:40:27
kim you could be right, unions and members actively proposing deselection which I thought was unlikely.

I am to young to remember the sdp / lib dems split years ago but this is civil war and nothing is impossible, like I said a few times the eu vote and corbyn doing a uturn, well one thing is certain if he voted out those unions that are fully behind now would have turned their backs with this coo and he would be out of a job now.
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Reply · HP · 27 Jun 2016 17:08
27 Jun 2016 17:57:54
Definately TTTS, see some of my post below.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 27 Jun 2016 16:37
27 Jun 2016 17:34:21
yep mate there are to many things happening all over the world right and left wing that have 1 thing in common, a lack of trust in the establishment .
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Reply · KimPhilby · 27 Jun 2016 16:07
27 Jun 2016 17:03:48
I could see the labour party splitting up. A hard left anti eu party under corbyn, maybe even taking over some of the lib Dems. And a blairite pro eu party claiming to be centre left.

I could also see the tories splitting too. The anti eu right merging with ukip and the remnants forming a pro eu party claiming to be centre right.
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Reply · kingkenny7 · 27 Jun 2016 15:41
27 Jun 2016 15:39:29
all ukip are Southampton is another arm of the tory party, when they get challenged on there polices, which they don't have apart from immigration they come up sadly lacking, farage couldn't even be arsed to have a debate about leaving the eu, yet he was one of the 1st in front of the camera's after he realised the out vote had won, they are no different than the bnp only a little bit more subtle, don't waste your time and vote with that lot, Franky good post but sadly I think corbyn will be gone by October as he has simply failed to ignite the labour party, labour need to have a complete re-think about what they stand for and who they represent, the trouble is to the average voter, the only way to tell the 3 main parties apart is by the colour of the ties they wear. Labour needs to get its identity back and whilst there is infighting going on that is unlikely to happen, they have never recovered by choosing the wrong milliband imo. There next choice has to be the right choice, a weak government needs to be challenged by a strong opposition party, at the moment sadly that is not labour, so if corbyn has to go to make that happen, so be it.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 27 Jun 2016 12:19
27 Jun 2016 13:18:14
civil war in the plp
if it comes to a vote which it prob will, he will win .
people who think because of the north east vote that every1 is going to jump on the ukip bandwagon are living in cloud cuckoo land .
i am fully pro corbyn but voted out .

as for a general election one thing is very clear the establishment are trying to put out fires left and right and people are fed up, to say the tories would win is very premature as they will continue to attack the working classes and now middle class voters,

granted the civil war in the lab party does not help, but in reality this was always going to happen and is a watershed moment in labours history on what direction its going .

me I am firmly behind corbyn and I am doing my own small contribution online with grassroots movements .

one thing is for sure goldman sachs and the friends of israel lobbies are behind this coup d'état

me personally thinks deselection of career politicians is the only way forward even thou its unlikely to happen.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 27 Jun 2016 08:21
27 Jun 2016 09:20:53
Exactly he lacks credibility.

A lot of his ideological views are stuck in the early 80's. Its no longer relevant to most people.

As a backbench MP he voted against his own party 500 times. 500. Now rebelling on something like Iraq fair enough. But 500,times? Yet he's demanding loyalty from MP's when he never showed any prior to becoming leader.

He's made a lot unwise appointments and surrounded himself with inexperience.

Yes the blairites have been a disgrace but as leader its his responsibility to unite them. He hasn't instead he's pushed them further away.

Now he's threatening to have the unions nominate disloyal MP's at the next election. Not a wise move.

The British people have never gravitated towards either political extreme. Which is why a hard left labour party was unelectable in the past. That won't change any time soon. Also a hard right party stands little chance unless the economy totally collapses. Which is unlikely.
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Reply · Supasub · 26 Jun 2016 22:54
26 Jun 2016 23:37:31
Your right ed. I meant robust in the fact that he seemed uncomfortable. If he had come out for leave against his party I would have given him my next vote, voting labour for the first time. Because he would have been the only "party leader" who agreed with my principles.
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Reply · kingkenny7 · 26 Jun 2016 22:42
26 Jun 2016 23:30:00
corbyn has lost the trust of his party and its supporters, also taking away the whole eu business, his time as leader so far has been underwhelming to say the least, the trouble is image wise the labour party is seen as a just the same as the tory party, as a labour voter they really need to rip it up and start again ( as the song goes}, the main job of the opposition party is to oppose and god knows there is plenty going on to oppose, if he had lead a leave campaign his future would look a lot brighter than it does, I reckon we will have new leaders in both the 2 main parties by October.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 26 Jun 2016 22:28
26 Jun 2016 23:12:33
Quite a lot. Hence the pollsters keep getting it wrong like GE'15 predicting hung parliament or labour win and on Thursday predicting a remain win.

Sky, BBC etc all analysis is done to present a certain viewpoint.

Pick up any newspaper and the owners agenda is pushed.

This is the good thing about being freelance. More independence. If what gets produced doesn't fit what they wanted then too bad. I can only go on what's genuinely out there, and at the moment there's anger, confusion and a sense of betrayal.
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Reply · Supasub · 26 Jun 2016 22:14
26 Jun 2016 22:52:03
I voted leave and I generally vote tory with my head. I couldn't ever imagine voting for corbyn as he doesn't seem robust enough and doesn't seem to be someone that I can engage with. But I think he's a good person. Doesn't make him a good politician.
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