19 Sep 2014 15:40:44
Put my point on the wrong thread so I will bring it to the top:
Would the vote have been "rigged" had there been a yes vote franky? The fact that it seemed like more "yes" on social media sites only suggests that those people would vote in that way and to suggest social media sites represents a general view is wrong. Most middle aged and older businessmen & women I know don't even really use social media and they are more likely the ones who would vote no. I doubt all the farmers, landlords, old school business men & women of Scotland would use social media sites. Many people wouldn't say how they vote because of ridicule and reprisals too. I'm English and half swedish with some irish and Scottish blood chucked as have most of us I expect but either way had Scotland voted yes I wouldn't have been that bothered but I am of the belief that things are better off more together than apart. I don't understand how easily some people bought into the fact that just swapping one government for another would make the people of Scotland have any more honesty and power and less of a self serving government than they have now. I'm happy that Scotland is still with us, not for any reason, I just think it's better for all. Now one thing that does remain and is now enhanced is yes or no, Scotland is almost split down the middle which won't help to be honest and this will rumble on. On a slightly different note why is it that most english people I know generally in sport myself included would either want one of the home country's, (Wales, Scotland, ni) to beat another team/country unless our own, or not be bothered. But when it comes to many Scots in my experience they would support amy other team against England, I suppose backed up by a general dislike, resentment or even hatred against the English. Is this also directed at Wales and n. I. or just the English? I know it's historical but is it just because of things before all our lifetimes as there is nothing I can think of in the last few generations? It's not even as if English people I know think they are above Scotland or anyone else, far from it. And in my own opinion it came across to me as one of the most democratic votes I've experienced in my lifetime. Even the votes that didn't count and we're fairly insignificant were broken down to the vote and reasons given why. I don't think you could get any more of a fairer vote any where in the world which is I believe a good thing.
Supasub
i have always got on with scottish people and it might be just me but working class cities like glasgow and liverpool have more in common than london and liverpool, but I am not your stereotypical english flag waving monarchy loving type of guy.
Supasub
Secondly, I hope you are joking but England still occupies a lot of countries, though it chooses to "properly" refer to them as colonies.
As an example, they invaded Cyprus twice, once supposedly purchasing the land and its subjects from the French Lusignan and the second leasing it from the Ottomans.
They officially left the country in 1959 while unofficially they are still occupying it. They imposed a constitution on the country in 1960 and have also placed them under the rule of the crown.
In 1963 they reached an agreement with Turkey about them occupying 37% of the island and England maintaining their military bases. Turkey fulfilled its side of the bargain when they invaded the country in 1974. This map was leaked and as the line was drawn with green ink, it is what inspired the term Cyprus Green Line.
Additionally, the only two fresh water sources, on an island plagued by drouth, are where their two "sovereign" military bases are conveniently located.
Also, know that this is nothing as compared to what they did to China, India and most of the continent of Africa.
Thirdly, have you ever heard of the commonwealth games and what do you suppose they are?
This might sound harsh but you should return the queen her glasses.
The establishment is using England as a tool to oppress more than one third of the world. About one third through the US and the rest is mostly split between Israel, China and Turkey. Though Germany seems to be catching up fast again.
zari
We can all get information from anywhere and I doubt there is a country in the world that hadn't aggressively had an interest in another, certainly beyond England and the u. s. but you reserve your acute option for them
Supasub
Something about a general dislike, resentment or even hatred towards England based on historical events, that happened before all our lifetimes and have not happened again for the last few generations.
That post was proof that what you stated was false. It has happened again and it is still happening.
One month ago the English military base in Dhekelia, Cyprus opened fire on a local fishing boat. They were clearly not trying to kill anyone because they didn't and were most likely trying to scare them for "fun".
The military base command said no such event took place and if anyone was shot at it was their fault.
People are pissed off at England because it is such an effective establishment tool. The fact that there are and have been others just like it, does not in any way justify it.
The majority of the world's human population are peaceful people. That said there are a few murderers out there as well.
Comparing ones self with the murderers in an attempt to justify ones own actions is only a step before mimicking them.
zari
I could probably pick any any country in the world and an incident in a given week or month and use it suit any argument. I have posted about a "democratic" vote in Scotland and a relationship between Scotland and England that no one has answered including you. There is nothing in my lifetime which has fuelled the dislike that I am aware of between the 2 said countries. I expect you will respond taking me around the world stating as fact any incident between whatever countries you pick and hit me over the head with it. Maybe read my post again zari and maybe offer a reason instead of trying to represent the globe.
Elections are manipulated by the establishment and their well placed pawns. Some proof to that exists but nothing of the scale to support the above mentioned belief.
Additionally, human beings can dislike ones behavior even if it does not directly cause them injury. Presented with proof that it does so to others, who they consider fellow human beings, some feel empathy or compassion.
The reason I mention Cyprus is because that is one place I regularly receive accurate information from.
zari
Supasub
Hate is a waste of energy. People who feel hate are those fixated with the problem and have never moved to envision a solution to it and then a world without it. I choose to work towards a world where the only muscles that matter are ones heart and brain.
zari