07 Sep 2023 08:28:41
{Ed033's note - Below is the continuation of a thread brought forward to this page.
06 Sep 2023 21:56:25
Honestly ED I don’t know what I believe. Like I said I’m completely on the fence.
If I’m being completely honest, I have to admit I have my doubts about Eric Dubay.
Firstly the fact he has been mentioned by Joe Rogan is a red flag for me. Joe Rogan is a establishment shill, I think we can both recognise that. Establishment shills don’t give a “leg up” to truth tellers. The fact that he was mentioned and was proposing a debate (that never happened) between him and Neil Degrasse Tyson, just rings alarm bells for me.
In regards to his content, a few more issues cropped up. He highlights Neil De Grasse Tyson saying that he doesn’t know what gravity is. Gravity is a measurable force. It can be measured and observed. He never confronts this, he just highlights an obvious establishment puppet in Neil De Grasse Tyson, saying he doesn’t know what gravity is. To me that shows he is skirting around the scientific evidence, and would rather create a narrative that is himself vs Degrasse Tyson. To me this reeks of a pysop. An establishment shill vs an establishment shill, who never will debate each other to see who is actually correct, but it creates a dichotomy of two opposing camps both fighting against each other. It’s the divide and conquer tactic.
He also makes assertions about the “flat earth society” and what they claim to believe in their website in regards to the earth being a flat disk in space, and how “no true flat earth believer would ever believe this”, but he never actually clarified what it was that he believed.
His videos although compelling were also lacking in true scientific reasoning to back up his claims. Yes I’m aware of the Bedford level experiment and how fish eyes lenses distort images, and we are all aware of how they fake the ISS footage, and space walks filmed in underwater tanks, and that all images from “outer space” are composites. However he never really gives any real scientific evidence for the flat earth, or how it works, how the big the sun and moons is, how far away they are, surely if the sun and moon were local we know have the technology now to be able to measure these things, using lasers for example. Surely someone would have been able to measure this by now? Again I’m no scientist but I’m just thinking outside the box here.
Now please don’t think I’m writing of the flat earth theory, I’m absolutely not, I think there is a good chance that the earth is flat and that we have been lied to, but Eric Dubay and his channel seems to me to be a psyop. A way of grouping together certain theories such as the ISS, space walks being faked, the moon landings, all of which have very hard evidence to back up the claims, and discredit them with a theory about the earth that he provides little real scientific evidence for. For example if I spoke to someone about this and said “gravity doesn’t exist”, they would look at me like I had gone insane, it only takes a quick search to find the formula for calculating gravity and experiments to show it. This then discredits me and anything else I have to say. Anything else I say to them has already been discredited true or not, evidence or not.
On social media these days “flat earther” is often used as a derogatory term, and it’s basically replaced the word “conspiracy theorist”, which was initially a CIA term used to discredit the truth. Now if you say that we cannot leave low earth orbit, space walks are faked, the moon landings were filmed in a studio, people immediately call you a “flat earther”. Again this reeks of a CIA pysop.
As I've already said I’m on the fence with the flat earth theory, please don’t think I’m discrediting anything anyone believes on here I’m not. I’m simply trying to discern between the truth and the lies we’re fed.
I think there’s a high chance that Eric Dubay is controlled opposition. I’d like to see more evidence than what he has provided before I can say that this is what I believe. As things stand I think there’s a high chance that the earth is not what we have been told, however I have yet to see verifiable facts to prove it, especially on his videos.
I just wanted to be honest, please don’t think I’m attacking your or anyone else’s views, that’s not my intention but as you said, we need to question everything before we make our minds up, take nothing at face value. If you could provide me with other evidence for the flat earth it’s something I would be very happy to watch/read as its a subject I’m very interested in, and I think has a high chance that it is in fact true. However Eric Dubay I believe is controlled opposition and perhaps mixing truth with lies to muddy the waters. Based on his videos alone I cannot say if we are on a planet or not.
I think you are wrong about Eric Dubay but that's just my opinion. It is impossible to know for sure who all the shills are on top of the one's we do. It is best to remember this whilst watching documentaries or doing any research. Trust no one and make your own mind up is a good motto to have whilst doing that.
JE888, if you don't like Eric Dubay, you could check out Dave Weiss interviews.
David Weiss Flat Earth Mix
Thank you ed033, I will give it a watch when I get the chance. It’s not that I dislike Eric Dubay. I’m just very careful about what and who I trust these days. I’m always on guard for deception these days as I’ve been caught out in the past and having observed how the ‘powers that be’ use people to push false narratives it makes me very mistrusting of anyone, especially those who get hundreds of thousands if not millions of views.
For example there was a channel I used to follow a little, it was during the La Palma volcanic eruption and the channel was called “DutchSinse”. During one of his streams during this event he seemingly had a crisis of conscience. This person runs a channel documenting volcanic eruptions and earthquakes etc.
Surrounding this eruption there was a theory going around that a huge chunk of the island could break off and cause a massive tsunami. If I recall correctly he was taking the stance that La Palma was absolutely nothing to worry about and everyone who was playing it up were “fear mongers”. Now I didn’t watch his stream but I did read and listen to people who did.
Apparently he was apologising profusely to all his listeners and saying that he had lied to them and he was asking for forgiveness. The stream was deleted straight away and he disappeared online for a few weeks. When he came back he was acting like nothing had happened and carried on making his usual videos.
To me that was evidence he was being controlled. I did read a few comments (obviously I can’t say how true they were) and people were saying that they had heard that in the past he had been threatened by the CIA to tow the line, threatened with jail time etc.
This is just one example of why I’m extremely cautious of trusting anyone online these days. The powers that be will go to extreme lengths to control the flow of information to the public.