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Discussion #400Talk Sense

02 Nov 2011 00:31:51
some of you will know this , but for the ones who dont , you should check out the russian scienitfic genius immanuel velikousky , who examined the ancient babylonian , egyptian , summerian etc records and concluded that records of planets running wild in our solar system were correct , he outraged most of the academic community in the usa, but as time has gone on this and other amazing things he said have been proven to be true , everyone should check him out , very good stuff............lfc

 

Our solar system moves at 240km/sec. Rogue planets are not required.

Len
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Len , have you looked at his theories , and how on one planet he and einstein disageed , but then einstein admited velikousky was indeed correct..............lfc {Ed033's Note - At the moment, the people who make the most sense on how the universe operates are David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill of www.thunderbolts.info/wp/ and this is the electrical universe theories - www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa9tsMztZPY&feature=related

and

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEVM-IkXLA
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Cheers ed033 , will look into the links............lfc
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A closed mind open's no truths.
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Discussion #399Talk Sense

01 Nov 2011 21:26:21
Why oh why are the cattle complaining so much about the bankers?
Can't these pondlife see that its these up-standing groups of responsible
men are actually the wealth creators!
We should throw the hippy pinko's in the army!
E.Rothchild.

 

Sarcasm! I like it!

Chris in Tamworth
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Discussion #398Talk Sense

01 Nov 2011 19:34:47
{Ed033's Note - deliberate brainwashing of people through video games where the video game player is de-sensitised to killing people.}
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Ed, can you elaborate on this please? I ask because only recently I was thinking about how there are so many new shooting games on the PS3 that are geared towards a third world war, where we always seem to be shooting Russians. Also, I kind of agree about the de-sensitised bit. My question: do you think most video games are setting out to brainwash the masses? If so, I may stop playing, if only I can shake the addiction!

Adam {Ed033's Note - There is a lot more more to this. It starts off when Napoleon's part time soldiers beat the Prussian full time soldiers and the Prussian General's didn't believe that Napoleon was that good. After some experimenting it was found that people in their natural state do not like killing other people and soldiers were missing on purpose. So the answer to this was to start schools for everyone not just for the ruling class' children. Schools brainwashed/indoctrinated children to think as the ruling class wanted them to think such as all foreigners were sub-human so it didn't matter if they were killed. This indoctrination schooling for the masses was adopted here as well and carries on now but the indoctrination changes over time. Now there is this political correctness indoctrination going on in schools.

Back to video games. People in the armed forces nowadays train with video games to de-sensitise them to killing. The video games that are sold to the public are programmed by the same companies/people who program the games to de-sensitise people in the armed forces. In the video games you, the "good guy" typically kill the "bad guys"

On the t.v. you see torture in tv programs where the "good guys" torture the "bad guys" to get info from them in order to stop the "bad guys".

All of this is designed to mostly remove your morals and de-sensitise you to killing and torture of the "bad guys" i.e. the countries on the "Axis of Evil" list, which is all of the countries without a central bank.}

 

Wow, thanks for the response.

That is so true though. From a young age kids are playing with plastic guns, cap guns, water pistols.

With the exception of sports and racing, nearly every game involves killing of some sort, even kid's games.

1. Enemy in the way
2. Wants to kill you
3. Kill enemy
4. Enemy disappears
5. Problem solved

What a culture we have!

Adam {Ed001's Note - scary when you think about it!}
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I have to agree , even though i've played these
games a lot that they are becoming more like
army/marines recruiting vehicle's or atleast
military industrial compex propaganda
C.O.D and M.O.H are two of the most obvious
games guilty of this, with a touch of racism thrown in for good measure.
JR
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Forgive me for stoking the fire, and please know I don't disagree with what anyone is saying about this, but I just want to put forward a different angle.

We are a product of nature (well...if some theories on this page are not true after all....but that's for another convo...) and we all have instincts and surprisingly primitive traits despite being an 'advanced' species.

We are territorial and, born without natural weapons, we have learned to construct weapons. For thousands and thousands of years since the dawn of time, human species have made weapons out of whatever resources they can. Do not be fooled into thinking this is purely for hunting. In fact, revolutions such as the iron and bronze ages were based on or started by the desire to manufacture weapons. Humans have an intrinsic need to have ownership of something, and to protect it, rather than simply abandoning that which is taken from them. So we have an built-in will to fight when necessary. To the death if needs be.

So since the dawn of man, children have been taught to use weapons for killing animals and people just as they have been taught to use tools.

So really, are these video games 'desensitising' us? Is this not just a continuation of themes that have been with us since the dawn of man? It is a fact that humans are lazy - almost every single technological advance has been invented in order to make something easier, and now people can learn how to aim and shoot, act stealthily, think tactically etc, from the comfort of their sofa. I don't think being 'desensitised' to killing a threat to your own life is a bad thing, in fact it is a perfectly natural albeit somewhat primitive facet of behaviour, is it not?

Whether or not video games are bad in this respect is surely just as relevant as, say, one's upbringing? And one's learning of what is right and wrong? I do not know anyone who in their right mind would be happy or willing to kill because they had a lifetime of video game playing.

AT the end of the day people liek realistic games, and this means war games. Not games like Resistance and Halo where aliens are everywhere, but games where you get to sue real technology and you can imitate the soldiers of today - typical kids' heroes.

So although I see where you're coming from, I think it's too easy to say 'they're desensitising us!' when in actual fact this sort of thing has been in our nature since day one.

Raz
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I do agree with a lot you have said. Nearly all games that children play are about survival and killing etc, Manhunt, Hide & Seak.

It is only natural that we will play with toy guns and swors because of the reasons you have suggested.

However, these games aren't filled with propaganda, whereas things like Call of Duty are loaded with it. Likewise, we don't actually 'kill' when playing Manhunt or shooting someone with a toy gun. In contrast, Call of Duty, or kids games such as Mario has a format which is, 'kill and you survive'. In essence it is all true to our nature, as you say, but when we follow through the actions you could argue it makes us immune to the idea of killing something/somebody.

That's just my take. Either way, it is quite sad really that we can't 'evolve' out of our natural desires, because the fact is, we don't NEED to kill anymore in order to survive.

Adam
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The case could be made we must kill to survive. The world is being stretched beyond it's means and perhaps its only hope for survival is to minimize it's inhabitants. Wait a minuite this all feels a little to "final solution" for me I see the error of my ways and retract the statement
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Discussion #397Talk Sense

01 Nov 2011 20:03:30
Are Aliens real?

G.A.G.U.S

 

They must be, who else would enough to support Man utd. lol
huddz res
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G.A.G.U.S - more like our gentic cousins , our creators who made us or upgraded us to their image............lfc {Ed033's Note - We may find out one day that we have alien dna in us.}
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G.A.G.U.S

I think that we would be very ignorant to think that we are the only inhabited planet in the universe...however, UFO sightings are probably fake for the simple reason, why would aliens who can fly and live outside of their atmosphere come to a planet where they cant!?!
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Discussion #396Talk Sense

01 Nov 2011 16:09:26
Michael prince interview on YouTube ,it is will blow your mind, its more UK based than usa , red what is your opinion? Cheers frankyscouse

 

{Ed033's Note - I've seen an interview with Michael Prince a.k.a. James Casbolt. I don't doubt that there are "Super Soldiers", I don't doubt that there is "Black Technology" and I don't doubt there are all kinds of things going on in underground bases that would blow your mind. But this particular guy Michael Prince / James Casbolt cannot go into details about things he talks about and to me is not believable that he himself has witnessed and done the things he says. He could be a paid agent or manchurian candidate to sound unbelievable so people think what he says aren't real.

I don't think he is on a Project Camelot interview probably because they don't find him believable also.

Duncan O'Finioan is on a project camelot interview. Duncan O'Finioan can go into detail and is believable as a super soldier - www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUgThru7JY
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Heyw edd will check that Duncan guy out, as for Michael prince are you hinting that he id making things up or. Giving false claims so he will get rebuked and that will rethink claims of every credible case of superhuman. Soldiers? Cheers for reply edd33. Frankyscouse {Ed033's Note - What I'm saying is the words coming out of Michael prince's mouth are not his own testimony. Anyone could pretend to be a super soldier and claim they were in an underground base just by watching a few youtube interviews of people who claim such things then repeating similar things to what they hear on these interviews. However the actual details would not be there if you are faking it. To me this guy michael prince is faking it but obviously i do not know the exact reason why he is faking it. This is obviously just my opinion.}
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Discussion #395Talk Sense

01 Nov 2011 12:44:29
Just watched the Bosnian pyramids video on youtube and there is no possible way that they were made by hand, one of the stones alone weighed 24 tonnes which would have taken around 500 people to lift. So the two other options are aliens made them or at least assisted in making them, or we are not the first advanced age of humans meaning people tens on thousands of years ago weren't as backward as we are lead to believe.
Personally i'm undecided, the only thing i'm sure of is what we are told most of the time is complete fiction.

"Whoever wishes to keep a secret must hide the fact that he possesses one."
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

always a red

 

There is plenty of evidence that it was simply humans who built the pyramids check out Donald Redford, professor of Classics and ancient Mediterranean studies at Penn State. He explains how it was done and removes a lot of the " mystery"

Chris in Tamworth
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The Egyptologists say the the Great Pyramid was built in 20 years. This means that if this is correct then each stone in the pyramid was placed every 2 seconds. Also these Egyptologists say that they cut each stone even the granite stones with copper chisels. These Egyptologists who say this are either idiots or think that the general population of the world are idiots. Maybe Chris in Tamworth believes these Egyptologists.
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A bit unfair to call Chris an idiot, it wasn't until i came on this site followed some of the links posted and did a bit of research that i had my eyes opened. Now personally i'm still undecided weather aliens came to this planet to share their technology, i'm more interested in conspiracies such as 9/11, who really killed JFK, what became of Bin Laden and whats next on Americas real life version of the board game risk.
But i guess being a builder the pyramids and how they were built fascinates me.

always a red {Ed033's Note - maybe this gives you an idea of how the pyramids were built. The Anti-Gravity Secret of Coral Castle - www.youtube.com/watch?v=o15_DQUm94s&feature=related
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OK.. lets apply ockham's razor theory to this, Aliens or a sophisticated civilization that pre-dated us. It is pretty obvious that the stones where not cut & moved, from many hundreds if not thousands of miles away from the construction site. I for one would opt for the later, modern masons have even suggested water / tide erosion to the sphinx & pyramids which could not have happened without a major climate shift..

Just my two cents.. {Ed033's Note - John Anthony West used to show pictures of the water erosion on the sphinx with the sphinx head covered up and every geologist he showed this picture to said it was water weathering but then when he showed the geologists it was the Sphinx, they denied it was water weathering. Eventually John Anthony West found geologist, Robert Schoch who would go on the record to say that the Sphinx has been water weathered. This is a problem with the established history because there has not been enough water in Cairo to cause this water weathering erosion for at least 10,000 years.}
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Funny how a few weeks ago some of my posts didn't get put up because I called people idiots or similar and I questioned the intelligence of people who believe a lot of these conspiracies and yet when I take the time to put a genuine argument together other posters can ridicule me freely!
Seems a little unfair

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - the poster didn't refer to you as an idiot, but the Egyptologists. I can see his point, because they are so intent on building up the ancient Egyptians as this wonderful civilization, they refuse to admit anything could possibly not be theirs. Such as the Sphinx, which scientific evidence suggests pre-dated Egyptians, but Egyptologists refuse to even take that evidence under consideration. As for your point, I actually agree, I think humans built them, but they clearly didn't use copper chisels etc and complete it in 20 years!}
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Discussion #394Talk Sense

31 Oct 2011 19:39:22
not much of a conspiracy but do you think it's true about the barriers between our world and that of the beyond weaken on all hallow's eve?
huddz red

 

Yes if you are at certain sacred points.
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Surely this cant be real.... {Ed033's Note - On one day of the year, barriers between our world and that of the beyond weakening sounds ridiculous.
However possibly at certain points on the planet and at certain times, there could be strange happenings that take place such as strange time anomalies / actually finding yourself in another time or realm possibly.}
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Could you please expand. Like where?
huddz red {Ed033's Note - 1 example is - Patrice Chaplin (granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin) talking about her book, The Portal - www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tmXAeKroQ

This book is a follow up to her book, City Of Secrets.}
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Thanks, i will take a look now.
huddz red
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Discussion #393Talk Sense

31 Oct 2011 18:53:26
Referring to the ed's comments on the death penalty earlier. You argued what if someone where innocent and then stated you believed make the inmate suffer for live would be the worse punishment so then cant we surmise that the humane thing to do is implement the death penalty so that the chances of an innocent offender suffering in prison for life will be eliminated. Its not really my view but i felt playing devils advocate was needed on an issue of this magnitude {Ed001's Note - good point, but at least they have a chance to be released and live a normal life afterwards if locked up. If you put them to death, then they are dead and have no chance. Most importantly of all, once they are gone, who fights to prove their innocence? Without their fight to clear their name, the guilty party may stand even more chance of escaping justice!}

 

I will state my position straight away - I think we should have the death penalty ! If we did, juries would be more circumspect in giving the guilty verdict anyway and that should weed out wrongful convictions.

But all this could be put to death by a life sentence meaning just that...stay in jail
until you die...simples !


Puzzled {Ed001's Note - the thing is, I have yet to ever meet anyone that argued against a life sentence meaning that. So why is it not a true life sentence?}
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Well it's the same with ALL sentences. Prisoners virtually never do the full term
or anything close to it!
They should always do the full term and if they misbehave during the sentence ADD to it. Problem is Judges would just start to give shorter sentences to reflect the fact that guilty parties 'have to do the full whack'
The whole justice system seems crazy

Puzzled
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{Ed033's Note - The apparent reason for dropping the death penalty in our system was because the Jury let people off who were probably guilty because they either didn't want to have another human's death on their conscience or they were never 100% sure the alleged offender was guilty. Remember at the time of the death penalty there was none of this deliberate brainwashing of people through video games where the video game player is de-sensitised to killing people.}
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To be honest I think the reason the death penalty was abolished wasn't because of jury's squeamishness but because of the hand-wringing,guardian reading,fruit & nut chewing do-gooders who have far far more say than their numbers should warrant

Puzzled
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I live in a commenwealth in America that issues the death penalty and true sentencing. Neither have proved to lessen crime or wrongfull conviction. The truth in sentencing act didn't include a reduction in guidelines that had been built in with parole in mind. The result has been non-violent first time offenders serving upwards of 3 years on forged checks usually done under the influence of addiction. The primary concern needs to shift towards community based programs to treat societal issues such as addiction and depression as these have led to 78 percent of convictions.(In America at least I dont know how big an issue they are for you folks in Europe)
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Discussion #392Talk Sense

31 Oct 2011 18:18:14
Just watched the documentary north Korea uncovered,
Woooow I am sooo happy I have my freedoms and libertys.

Sopac4lyfe

 

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Discussion #391Talk Sense

30 Oct 2011 13:36:57
what do we think goes on at area 51, its always intrigued me.

 

All sorts and not the type you can eat....

Matty b
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{Ed033's Note - Apparently not a lot goes on at area 51 anymore as the place is too contaminated now. There are loads of other underground bases now around the world. Pine Gap in Australia for instance.}
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Agreed Ed tourists can visit it, don't get to see much, not that much is on the surface anyway but you can take a pic of the signposts, my uncles been a couple of times.
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Check the link ed, I'd beg to differ

Sopac4lyfe
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Tourists can visit??? Those signs are at least 26 miles from the base, go look at google maps an then tell me there's not much to see
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Discussion #390Talk Sense

30 Oct 2011 06:48:18
Referring to earlier discussion about the death penalty, what kind of punishment is it really? If someone murders an innocent person, then what kind of justice is killing the accused? Put it this way. If you killed someone tomorrow, and you were arrested, would you rather spend the majority of the remainder of your life rotting in a cell, knowing by the time you get out, you will have a criminal record and you won't achieve anything in life because of that, having to live with the guilt of killing someone too, or would you rather just end it there and take the death penalty. We would be doing those kind of people a favour by allowing the death penalty.

Look at Sudan Hussain or Osama Bin Laden or even Gaddafi. Was justice served by their deaths? No. The way they died suggested they probably died instantly, so they wouldn't suffer. Them kind of people should suffer for years for their crime.

G.A.G.U.S

 

I see what you are saying but i disagree with the "by the time youget ot" life should mean life.

On your examples.

Gaddafi i never expected him to stand trial, i always thought if he gets caught he wont see a prison cell.

Bin Laden, well he has been discussed on here plenty.

And Saddam stood trial for his crimes. So they at least had that. Was it justice. Yes i think it was. He showed no remorse no repentance and i think he never would have if he'd been locked away for the next 20 years or so.
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What is the difference between Sadaam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden, Gaddafi and Obama, George Bush (either of them) and Tony Blair. The only difference could be the media's portrayal of them. Gadaffi used to give his people electricity for free, bread for free, interest free loans and enough money to buy a house when Libyan people got married. {Ed033's Note - I have seen a youtube video that says gaddafi did indeed give his people this free stuff and Libya was just about to attempt to make part of the deserts in Libya green again by tapping into underground aquifers and that under Gaddafi, libya went from the being one of the poorest countries in Africa to one of the richest countries in Africa. - CBS News video about the water in Libya - www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogT-DDKHgQ&feature=related
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I'm guessing all that enthusiasm for Obama has died then
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Discussion #389Talk Sense

30 Oct 2011 00:11:52
if anyone is interested in the lost tribes , and even the connection between the egyptian hieroglyphs - to the ancient khumric-cymry. welsh , how all this relates to the early church in britain etc , check out two books by - welsh historian alan wilson and baram blackett , they are - MOSES IN THE HIEROGLYPHS , and- THE KING ARTHUR CONSPIRACY...............lfc {Ed033's Note - Yes, checkout all alan wilson and baram blackett books and interviews on youtube. Here is 1 for example - www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vxEW-dRUs

 

Lfc - you just keep delivering, there is so much more here than i thought, i'm glad i asked yesterday.

ed33 is there a conspiracy you don't know anything on? ;) {Ed033's Note - I don't know but we haven't had hardly anything on here about veronica chapman, john harris, simon spaniard, winston shrout or even brian gerrish
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Sorry don't think i've heard of any of them, give us a clue? {Ed033's Note - Brian Gerrish talks about the group calling themselves "Common Purpose" who are using NLP to essentially take over all of the institutions we have to the detriment of the people. He also talks about other important issues - type Brian Gerrish into youtube and watch all the videos, here is 1 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Pvs-pgbic

Type the other names into youtube and they talk about other interesting things. Sovereignty, standing up for yourself by knowing the difference between legal and lawful. I also forgot about TNS radio.}
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Ok thanks Ed will do at some point so much stuff to look at off here. {Ed033's Note - Go to youtube and type search terms in and watch videos. That may be the fastest way to learn new stuff at the moment. I have placed some links on the Conspiracy videos and articles page - www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/conspiracy-interesting-articles.php
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I know but there is so much recommended off here! Where to even begin, so much interesting stuff {Ed033's Note - What about this. Turn the TV off and use the time you watched TV with to look into this info instead. I might start off here and watch all these interviews - www.richplanet.net/starship.php}
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Haha Ed not watching tv at the moment although i want to see the da vinci programme starting shortly on bbc1, he crops up in a few theories as well.
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