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14 Sep 2011 20:08Discussion #64Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 20:00:50
Is it just me or does anyone else believe we are in the middle of ufo disclosure...i mean the catholic church has come out and expressed an opinion on aliens,as have a number of leaders in other religions...governments are now releasing a lot of ufo files with some leaders of smaller countries openly admitting their belief in ufos being extraterrestrial in nature...announcements of new planets being discovered which could be earthlike!! ufo sightings have become more frequent and spectacular...the jerusalem ufo incident for example(why was the clearly faked video of that the only one shown on any tv station or news channel?),the fact that there are a lot of tv documentaries relating to aliens and ufo encounters, not to mention the amount of tv shows and movies with the subject matter being aliens, all acting to heighten awareness in the subject!! so many military personnel,both acting and retired,high ranking members of government agencies,poloticians,astronauts,pilots,policemen,etc, have come forward relaying their own stories and encounters...its all a bit too much too soon for their to be nothing behind it!!

With regard to astronauts coming forward,i think this may be the area which is possibly pushing the subject the most!!through listening to their stories it would apparently seem like there is a fairly large extraterrestrial presence in space around earth...they talk about seeing objects regularly up there. With the commercialisation of space travel only a couple of years away, perhaps the powers that be realise that space tourists are perhaps going to be presented with an abundance of ufos on their trips and it would be hard to silence thousands of people who witness these objects!!i do believe that within the next year or 2 that ufo disclosure will happen,perhaps this is the great change they talk about that is supposed to happen in 2012!!

PmacC

14 Sep 2011 21:43

Couldn't have put it better myself. The majority of astronauts that have visited the moon have seen landed ufos. Their are also pictures of the moon with buildings being smudged out etc. If you look to the sky at night you bound to see a UFO.....I have!

Azza

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15 Sep 2011 08:40

Azza, Where do you get this information from? "The majority of astronauts that have visited the moon have seen landed ufos."

Ash

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14 Sep 2011 20:08Discussion #63Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 19:59:12
The only reason I can come up with with why they're keeping aliens top secret is because they don't want to let any of the public know that they aren't in control of our sky. JFK wanted to expose them which is why he was killed. I've seen footage of the secret government trying to shoot down ufos in space.

2012? I don't think it's he end of the world but I do believe it's when everything will get exposed. From aliens to 9/11 inside job (illuminati) etc

what's your thoughts?

Azza

14 Sep 2011 21:43

I do agree with you Azza,but on top of that i believe that the powers that be are worried that the open existness of et's would undermine their power over people...it would almost undoubtly result in technological advancements in power,communication,travel,health,etc, over which they would have no control...basically they have nobody to answer to but if there was an acceptance of humans to a kind of galactic family then they would lose their privelege of doing what they like...its all an agenda with them...that agenda being their own personal hold over people!!

PmacC

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14 Sep 2011 23:02

The reason there has been no disclosure up to now boils down to one word.....OIL! if we make contact with an advanced alien race with advanced form of propulsion the oil would become worthless overnight, and without oil countries have no power.

Sooty

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14 Sep 2011 15:56Discussion #62Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 16:56:04
RAZ

yeah the starchild skull thing is extremely interesting. Glad you took the time to give it a chance. I'm not even sure what I think of it myself, I'd like it to be what science seems to be saying it is. Here's hoping.

Peace

Jay

14 Sep 2011 16:03

Ah come on that Star child stuff is guff have you never seen a mis shaped skull. If you dug up the elephant man you would think its an alien.

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14 Sep 2011 16:10

It's pretty mad tbh. I'm still reading it all. Right now I am asking myself where the studies on the fibres are, and why they keep saying the control skull was 'reportedly' found with the Starchild skull. Also where are the studies on the unidentifiable red stuff? And are they sure it wasn't burnt collagen from the blade? They said there was no protocol if you like for studying something they cannot identify so they have't tried yet, for fear of contaminating the sample. IMO they have more than enough sample to try SOMETHING and see what they get, rather than just sit on a research stalemate. If they do get to it that's great, but I haven't got that far yet.

Raz

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14 Sep 2011 16:34

Mate I have seen so much about the elephant man - and so far that has been explained by things. I watched that programme about 6 weeks ago about the elephant man and how they think he died- by leaning his head a certain way and it snapping his neck etc when he went to bed. Whatever. I am waiting to read an explanation for a skull made out of tooth, uniformly yet unforced-ly different to a normal human, much much thinner and lighter, yet stronger. I am not arrogant enough to simply thumb-down the Star Child as being not-entirely-human just because it doesn't sit with my idea of normal or acceptable. I have not finished reading, however, and when I have I will draw my own conclusions. The only thing I will say now before it crops up later is this: if all this govt cover up stuff really does happen and any trace of alien life is always hidden and then publicly dismissed, then I will not be surprised if I eventually end up reading that this is in fact human, even if I do not believe it.

What also makes me curious is that it had a string of DNA nucleotides or whatever that were 100% human, tied in with DNA that apparently was 100% NOT - not only that, but unrecognised as being anything from this planet that science knows about so far. That is amazing, and I will carry on exploring til I find out what people think it is.

On a side note, enough work and research has been done on body language and psychology to be able to identify immediately whether or not the scientists responsible for providing the DNA results, and Pye, are lying. So I don't think they are at this moment in time.

Raz

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14 Sep 2011 16:34

Nutshell: there is a difference between mis-shaped and perfectly-formed-yet-different.

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14 Sep 2011 16:46

To the guy that says the Starchild skill is only a misshapen skull. You clearly have only seen a pic of it, and by the sound of it, not a very good one. All sceptics say that they want evidence. Well science has tested this thing more than several times at different labs by different scientists and the conclusion ( so far ) is always the same. That the biological father of this thing is not of human origin. Even by looking at the pics, you can see it's not just a misshapen skull. Thing is, we don't know exactly how it came about, but we have it. Also, if there is ever a final test that explains it, then I'll accept whatever they say.
Dont be so close minded.
Remember, the brightest minds in the world once believed the earth was flat, so ponder that for a while.
Next you'll be saying it's FACT, that we're the only intelligent beings in the whole universe.

Anyway, peace

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 15:34Discussion #61Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 16:34:14
jay you've raised a couple of points i really want to come back to but i can't at work as i can't do it the justice it deserves. I'll try and get something down quick but it'll be quick before the game

14 Sep 2011 15:53

That's cool mate, take your time. I'm always happy to have a discussion on these topics.

Peace
Jay

Ps. Class page ed's! {Ed001's Note - cheers mate, we all found ourselves discussing these things between us on our widget, so it made sense to create a site for everyone to be able to join in.}

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14 Sep 2011 18:11

Right first off i'll accpet that there ae inconsistancies in the established events. i think we both recognise that.

I do feel that there is no way that the govt could have carried it out, a conspiracy like that would have needed dozens if not 100's of people involved at all levels, something surely would have leaked out by now. However i will accept that certain people are certainly shady characters and may have been acting independently providing that there is sufficient evidence to prove this.

Regards the claims that it was economic Pearl Harbor.

All through history great civilisations have gone to war for economic reasons, to control resources, gain land or slaves. Rome, the British Empire etc etc, this has happened throughout history so for the Americans to go to war for oil makes sense, a necessary resource in a strategically vital region where they have had previous.

So why in the this media driven thirst for revenge go for Afghanistan? If they just wanted a grab for Middle Eastern oil why not just go straight out for Iraq in 2001, why wait 2 years? If as you say they rigged it to put the blame on others why not rig it to look like Iraq and dive straight in there in 2001? Plenty of oil, friendly countries on the borders to provide bases, shorter strategic supply lines. From a viewpoint Iraq made a lot of sense. And from a humanitarian viewpoint he had to go and should have gone back in 1991.

But Afghanistan, ok so the perpetrators were based there, we know this based on what we have been told. But as i said if the Americans had been behind it and oil was the aim why say Afghanistan when they could have just said elesewhere unless it really was those based in Afghanistan.

Also Afghanistan is to me at least a strange choice, as far as i am aware there is no vast amount of natural resources as no one has really been able to conduct a proper survey due to the country being adogs breakfast since the 70's.

Supposedly its meant to be part of a pipeline. From where? It makes no strategic sense to build a pipeline through such hostile terrain and with all those warring factions around. Throw in hostile neighbours in Iran and the uncertainty of Pakistan and that whole area is a massive strategic risk that any competent military man would advise you to avoid.

You'd be far better concentraing on somewhere like Iraq and heading your pipeline towards the Eastern Mediterranean. Of course at some point you need to get either Jordan or Syria on side and sort out the mess thats Israel/ Palestine at least so you can get your pipeine in, but all thats surely easier than messing around in Afghanistan.

Rambling a bit so apologies. Anyway to Libya again yes the oil, but France was the driving force behind that and you can't accuse them of being pro american. As for Syria, i'm not sure there is the appetite for messing overtly in that one, not with Libya coming to a close, Iraq coming to a close and Afghanistan still dragging on. Its overstretch and its a lot of effort especially cost wise in a recession just for a pipeline.

I tend to disagree with the whole 911 was an inside job just to kickstart the American economy because from a point of view it doesn't make sense. Espwcially as it doesn't seem to have worked as the American economy over the last 3 years has been in its worst state for years.

But that doesn't mean that something funny isn't going on, certainly there are shady incidents, little pieces of the puzzle here and there. {Ed033's Note - British soldiers have been trying to take Afghanistan for the last 200 years because it is a strategic location. Also originally it was thought that there were billions of barrels of easy to get to oil in the caspian sea and they wanted to build a pipeline from the Caspian sea and across Afghanistan but then they found out there was not billions of barrels of easy to get to oil in the Caspian sea so went to Iraq first. }

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14 Sep 2011 18:36

Yes Ed and the fact that British soldiers haven't accomplished it in 200 years says a lot about the operational problems in the place.

Besides reagrds Caspian sea oil, wouldn't the majority belong to Russia? Also looking at the geography and topography wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and make more sense to take a pipeline from the Caspian west rather than east? {Ed033's Note - It appears that they have disbanded the pipeline idea now anyway and decided to place a big military base in Afghanistan which will be expanded under the surface of Afghanistan. }

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14 Sep 2011 20:02

"If they just wanted a grab for Middle Eastern oil why not just go straight out for Iraq in 2001, why wait 2 years? If as you say they rigged it to put the blame on others why not rig it to look like Iraq and dive straight in there in 2001? Plenty of oil, friendly countries on the borders to provide bases, shorter strategic supply lines. From a viewpoint Iraq made a lot of sense."

To me this would be a reason NOT to do what you suggest - too obvious. They had to make things harder for themselves in a way, and others, to blur the links of association between going to war and wanting the oil. Go to Afghan, reduce the motive and suspicion, but ultimately get the same result, or go Iraq, and immediately have the whole world pointing a finger saying 'this isn't about war or terrorism, this is about oil'.

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14 Sep 2011 14:13Discussion #60Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 14:51:54
What's in the money pit in nova scocha (spelling) ??

Any ideas ?

Matty b

14 Sep 2011 17:52

{Ed033's Note - Well, many people have spent large amounts of money trying to find out what's in the Nova Scotia Money Pit but no one has found anything of value such as lost knowledge or treasure. }

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14 Sep 2011 18:36

Or the arc of the covenent........??

Matty b

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14 Sep 2011 13:05Discussion #59Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 14:02:07
Thanks Jay will do, (couldnt reply otherwise as my phone won't let me dammit!)

Heres a thought though: are conspiracy theories a conspiracy to hide the truth o_0

SK

14 Sep 2011 13:30

Pretty much mate. The thing with the government ( all governments ) is that they create a problem, then offer a solution. Obviously the problem they create is sold as something else, terrorism for example. They then say what they and us could all do to prevent such problems, hence us asking for their help. It's a viscious cycle, but one that we, the people, have accepted. Problem is, we all complain about the government, yet we put them there and never seriously put up much of an arguement to their goings on.
Maybe 1 day, we can drop our weapons, artillery, nuclear warheads and unite together as 1, the way it should be. We are a species of beauty and mystery, yet we continue to destroy ourselves. It saddens me that we are like this, but like I said, maybe 1 day, we'll re-connect with ourselves and our universe!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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14 Sep 2011 14:13

Sad fact of life Jay, and perhaps biology too, is that we have an ID and an EGO and temperaments and emotion such as anger, love, power, whatever. That's why, just like almost every other biological creature out there, we are territorial, we defend things we love, and we like to get as much of what we love as possible, and we thrist for power. The world didn't get on like a house on fire before the last 20 centuries, far from it- tribe wars, religious wars, you name it, since the dawn of man we have fought each other over homes, and then wealth. I doubt it will ever change, unless we decide to actively defy the nature of our race.

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14 Sep 2011 14:38

I could happily live in a world without all the material things we seem to want/need these days. As long as I had shelter and food for my family, I'd be happy. Problem is, not everyone can do without the material things in life. If we all could, the world would be a better place for it and not one person on our beautiful planet would have to starve again. We could all be equal as one and get back to basics and understanding what our part in the universe is!

Peace

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 12:02Discussion #58Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 13:01:39
How about this for a conspiratory theory inspired by the matrix but who knows?
The world is not what it looked to be, we all are dreaming it in sleep while call them god/machine/alien who have took over the world needs as a power source so we are kept alive dreaming?

14 Sep 2011 12:14

Sounds like someone took the red pill good for you lad lol.

always a red

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14 Sep 2011 12:01Discussion #57Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 12:54:35
I believe that quite a few of these conspiracies are true, but am I the only one who'd think it funny if it turned out that everything that has happened, actually did happen as it appeared and there was no secret actions etc?

Also are planes really 45 feet tall? I just cant picture them being 15 metres high.

Great work Eds :)

SK

14 Sep 2011 12:11

Maybe not all planes, but the plane THEY say hit the Pentagon stood 45ft tall. It's all documented, check it out!

Peace

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 18:03

{Ed033's Note - The most likely flying thing that hit the Pentagon was a missile possibly the Granit Missile }

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14 Sep 2011 23:02

They dont stand that high. on the ground they are tall however the landing gear would of been up when crashed so knock a few feet off that as much as almost half.
i work as a flight attendant so know a lot about planes. and all the pilots i know say the same thing, it was a plane.
a plane full of people and crew were murdered on that plane its a bit insensitive to say its a missile after its quite obvious a plane.
the conspiracy makes no sense anyway. why lie and say its a plane?

MIKEY

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15 Sep 2011 08:40

MIKEY!

The plane they say hit the Pentagon ( 737 ) can't remember the exact type of plane, stands 45ft tall. Let's for the sake of argument say a few was taken from the plane before it hit, the hole it would leave would still be larger than 15ft!

Also, it's insensitive NOT to raise these these questions. Also, where did the supposedly indestructible engines go?

Which airline do you work for? You chat to pilots regularly then?

Peace
Jay

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14 Sep 2011 12:01Discussion #56Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 12:50:07
This site is one more reason why i don't leave my room anymore!interesting observations and topics!

Saw the moon rising documentary last night.was a bit drunk..
But if true in any small way..What the ****?
The possibilities of finding extra-terrestial life will basically destroy our present understanding and beliefs! I think it would be good..might just turn us all to be a bit more spiritual!

Rudi

14 Sep 2011 12:14

If we ever do find out 100% for sure that we're not alone in the universe, I'm sure for certain that we will have feelings never felt before. Knowing that we aren't alone in our vast universe would maybe help us stop living the way we do. We need a change, and maybe a little guidance from a more advanced civilisation would help us along the way

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14 Sep 2011 12:19

If we found out 100% someone would say it was a conspiricy!

Ash

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14 Sep 2011 12:54

Thats the whole point the government dont want us to know there are more advanced xcilvilizations or change the way we live as they would loose power and power= money we are all being told ow to live and working for someone elses dream

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14 Sep 2011 17:36

It's not really about the government not wanting to let you know. The effects of finding out that there was a superior race to humans would cause pandemonium and a breakdown in society. You just have to look at anthroplogical studies concerning places who have come into contact with superior societies. For example, when Inuits were first found by more advanced people, it basically led to mass alcoholism and suicide! {Ed033's Note - This is why it appears all the Governments signed up to non disclosure of extraterrestrial life as the Brookings Report said that if we looked for Extra terrestrial life, we would almost certainly find evidence of extra terrestrial life and that may cause problems in society due to the knowledge of ET's as stated above. }

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14 Sep 2011 23:02

Rudi that depends on what 'our current beliefs' are? I believe in extra terrestrial stuff. I am not religious, but respect those that are, and I believe in extents of spirituality.

But I am also not so close-minded that I feel there is no life anywhere else, that is such a ridiculous proposition I don't know how, in this day and age, anyone can honestly just disregard the concept of their being life elsewhere.

Unless you let your religion dictate your beliefs, which some do. But religion does not make science wrong. As Jay said befre, imagine where we would be now if science had been allowed to progress hundreds of years ago, if not for religion (which dictated acceptability in society) blocking it's progression. We would have had electricity over a thousand years ago probably. Imagine where we'd be now.

Err... sorry, I was rambling. My point is would it really destroy our present understandings of anything? I don't think so. You ask a kid of every religion/race if they understand the concept of ET stuff or aliens or whatever, they'd probably say yes.

If you proved that they existed, I doubt they'd change their beliefs - I don't know any beliefs that preach that we are the only planet with life in the entire universe.

I really hope it turns out the Star Child skull is genuinely alien, and if they find evidence of technologies from previous eras of man that far outweigh what we call technology, well I'd die a very happy bunny.

Raz

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14 Sep 2011 11:30Discussion #55Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 12:30:18
I have been an avid reader of the football sites (especially the Liverpool one) and i have to say ed's you have out done yourselves in creating yet another fantastic site. Seriously well done.

Followed a link posted by by one of the editors called moon rising, very interesting worth anyone watching. With all the planets out there and all the stars there must be life its almost impossible for there not to be.

Imagine where scientists would be now if religion had not held them back for all those years.

always a red

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14 Sep 2011 11:26Discussion #54Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 12:23:46
cheers jay however if the plan was to grow the economy then ten years on it has sort of not worked has it?

14 Sep 2011 12:02

I almost agree, but the USA are the most powerful and nuclear wealthy country on the planet. but look at what they and us are doing now, The whole Libya fiasco. Now it looks like us and the USA will be going to Syria soon as well, it's only a matter of time. If not, they'll find somewhere else ( with oil ) for us to invade and play the humanitarian card again!
Anyway, what I said is only my personal opinion. I understand I could be 100% wrong, but like I've said, when you do the research, scrutinise the evidence on your own, then you can be happy with whatever theory/hypothesis you've came up with yourself. Watch The New American Century, gives you a few avenues to check out and shows just how horrible the US government really is.
On another note, I find it very strange that when the US went to Iraq, they destroyed ancient library's and ancient tombs connected to the Anunnaki. Probably because it's pretty much proven that the bible is nothing else but a very poor and cheap copy of the Sumerian clay tablets. The yanks wouldn't like to shown that there beliefs are stolen from a much richer, more intelligent culture than themselves.

Jay

Ps. Just want to say again, anything I put on this page is only my personal opinion, and I welcome anyone to challenge any theory that I've put up after they have checked the info and evidence thats out there for all to see.

Peace

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14 Sep 2011 11:15Discussion #53Talk Sense

14 Sep 2011 12:12:23
is it possible that our cell phones are used as a tracking device to moniter our activities all around the world by some superpower?

14 Sep 2011 11:28

Maybe. Get a pay as you go and get everyone to save you as a coded name if you are worried about this..... bit like Bourne Identity...

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14 Sep 2011 14:13

P.s. in a nutshell if you have to do anything that gives your name and address away, then you can be tracked. People think hotmail is so secure, but think about this - there is a database full of info like your password etc. When you forget it, or your log in, someone can access all that information as the means in which you can save it and give it in the first place that it may be stored were created by us in the first place. The only reason you have to log into hotmail, open an email for your orange account or whatever else, click on the link and then add a new password, instead of them telling you, is because they'd be found out. (And obviously the reason why you have to set up a new hotmail account if you forget your password is because they don't want to blow their own cover.) When you change your pin on your bank card - that number is generated somewhere. So it is stored. If you then go to a cash machine and change it, they still know - they have to - 1) because all the button presses are logged, and 2) because how would htey know if it is correct or not if there was not a frame of reference? By they I mean the computer software. And 100% of what happens in a computer software program can be traced. So if someone wanted to hack into a cash machine and steal all the bank details and pin codes, they could, they'd just have to know how.

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