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Discussion #6019Talk Sense

02 Mar 2020 16:20:31
If you don't know, the controllers tell you what they're going to do ahead of time somehow, someway even if it's cryptic or esoteric. It seems to be part of their religion and it seems the reason for it is if you go along with their agenda, the negative karma from their negative agenda passes to you. We are given the choice of going along with their mainstream b.s. or rejecting /not consenting to it.

This 5 minute video from 1967 is pretty unbelievable, where they tell you outright that they use models of rockets amongst other techniques to fool the public. Or is it just a regular fictional T.V. program?

Predictive programming - Part of a 1967 show "The News Benders".

 

Liv4Life
03 Mar 2020 02:14:00
Cheers for that 33, gold, and that is exactly how they work. That clip ought to flick a switch in at least a handful of people, surely? Time to wake up?
{Ed033's Note - Hopefully will get some of the sleepwalkers thinking if they watch it.
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HoneyBadger
03 Mar 2020 08:12:30
What if these 'clues' are left deliberately 'in plain sight' because we are meant to find them? Designed for those with an open, inquisitive mind to notice and to see through the false reality we have been provided with?

An aid to the spiritual evolution of mankind, you might say.

Imagine there were a hidden force that had been leaving such 'clues' for us throughout our known (manipulated) history. From the codified knowledge in the design of pyramids and ancient temples, to the deeper meaning hidden beneath the surface of ancient scriptures, to the 'predictive programming' we see around us today.

I've not posted for a long while but I'd like to thank Ed033 and SM and others as I've been reading the site recently and they've helped in my personal spiritual evolution more than they will ever know.

Good work folks.
{Ed033's Note - Thanks for posting HoneyBadger, the 'clues' are there for people with eyes to see and ears to hear.
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rank0 rank1 rank2 Ed033
03 Mar 2020 10:02:38
This is the full program of the video clip above.

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TheDarkKnight
03 Mar 2020 10:21:29
I've been meaning to post about this but not got round to it yet, seeing as though this relates to it. Has anyone seen the apparent book written in the 1980's about coronavirus? It's very detailed and interesting how accurate it is. I'd like to provide a link but I got shown it at work off a stranger's phone. Scary times.
{Ed033's Note - Yes, Dean Koontz wrote about a fictional virus called Wuhan-400 in the 1989 re-release of his 1981 novel, The Eyes of Darkness.

Also, in 2008 a book titled, End Of Days: Predictions and prophecies about the end of the world, by an American psychic called Sylvia Brown contains the words, "In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments".
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Rian
03 Mar 2020 10:30:18
The sleepwalkers will simply say this is fiction Ed033. You can lead a horse to water.
{Ed033's Note - yes.
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Discussion #11797Talk Sense

02 Mar 2020 00:05:18
Ed033, is your believe in the flat earth because the book written 4000 years ago mentions it to be a circle? Honest question?

I'm interested in your theory although it's completely wrong. In physics it is shown due to gravity and mass of objects speheres are a natural occurance If the earth is flat, how do the outsides of the flat circle stay up and just ignore gravity? Would be pretty revolutionary stuff if we could figure out how that was done. How do other planets and stars and the majority of objects in space become a sphere due to gravity but our magical earth just ignores it. Baffling.

 

{Ed033's Note - No, i don't read the Bible. I have an open mind and realised the heliocentric model has problems and the globe model has problems. I go where the evidence takes me.

If you want to know why i say what i say, then you'll have to watch all the videos over the past 10 pages on here. This site isn't just about the Flat Earth Model.

The idea of this site is if you're intrigued by the content, you stick around, if not, you leave. This site is not about posters trying to have a fight by defending mainstream info, this is not a mainstream site. If you like mainstream info, then you should visit other sites such as the BBC and NASA web sites and you can bathe your mind in all their content.

I thnk you'll find that 'gravity' is the magical entity.
Southern Monkey
02 Mar 2020 07:19:09
I only explained a few days ago that mainstream science had to make up dark energy and dark matter to make the theory of gravity work. There is absolutely no proof in either other than the fact that if they are not there gravity is wrong.

Name any other theory where so much has been made up, for it to work?

Maybe do some research in to incoherent magnetism [gravity].
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southampton
02 Mar 2020 09:37:36
Orwell did say it though.
There be no need for police because people will do the police work .
Same must be for education .
Or maybe gravity isn't as is taught.
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Peteprice
02 Mar 2020 09:41:15
If the earth is flat why here in Australia are we unable to see the North Star and the constellations are upside down?
{Ed033's Note - ok, good question. This video explains it.

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Discussion #11611Talk Sense

01 Mar 2020 06:59:58
Earth's new moon 2020 CD3

What is all the blue, green, red lines everywhere?

I used to be a space junkie, but i have never seen an image quite like this when honing in on a small 'space' article.

Thoughts? explanations? . All welcome.

hsf
01 Mar 2020 18:56:01
Well, if reports are correct the object has an eliptical orbit, that ranges from 77,000km from Earth, to 1.7million km from Earth.
It's also allegedly only 3.5 meters across, so how they even found it is beyond me.

As for the red, blue and green lines, I would imagine that is down to an exposure issue, as we're targeting an immensely small light source, from a massive distance away.
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southampton
01 Mar 2020 22:51:41
Slightly bigger than a mini.
From 77,000kms away.
Good spot.
It could be a tesla lol.
Ohh no it isn't, because that's in the warehouse next to the moon one .
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Discussion #11610Talk Sense

29 Feb 2020 20:07:47
I am sure everyone at some point has been the person to get the massive round of drinks in that requires the fateful tray. You take 5 steps and you wasted half of it, spilt everywhere. Yet there was hardly any motion.

Now think about this point, then watch the video.

 

{Ed033's Note - Yes, Earth is fixed in place, God knows where Earth is, but it doesn't move.
Southern Monkey
01 Mar 2020 01:14:08
Charlie Chaplin speech from the above video

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southampton
01 Mar 2020 22:48:30
Looks so much better than a ball .
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Standard
02 Mar 2020 00:11:44
Southern monkey. Our mass relative to the mass of the drinks play a big part. Now look at the mass of the earth and stars and now look at the mass of us. Higher the mass higher the gravity, we don't feel the spin or the earth moving due to our smallness. Do you feel yourself moving on a plane?

Why do you guys think we're so special? Why would we be a flat circle and everything else speheres. It literally makes no sense. Some of the videos I've watched on here also take the smallest physics knowledge to know how wrong they are. Or they completely ignore physics and make up there own laws of the universe.
{Ed033's Note - A lot of the physics is made up B.S. especially the stuff about the magical thing called 'gravity'.
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southampton
02 Mar 2020 09:26:34
You feel when the road changes in a car or if u hit a bump.
Same as when a plane hits turbulence
U feel that to.
But while the earth spins were does the wobble come into to it .
Coz u would of thought u would feel that .
People often Ignore things when there is no obsevable proof.
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Peteprice
02 Mar 2020 09:43:59
I’m sorry Ed but if gravity is made up then what’s the force pulling things down if we Drop them? Mountains are also formed by gravity.
{Ed033's Note - If the Earth is not a globe and the heliocentric model is incorrect, then by default the physics that explain a globe Earth and heliocentric model must be incorrect. And then people by default believe the incorrect made up physics.

I think i heard that even Brian Cox said that gravity is not a force. There is a video where someone asks Neil degrasse Tyson, 'what is gravity' and he responds with, don't know, next question. The problem is the word word 'gravity' is their go to word when they can't explain anything. These paid agent types usually drop something and say 'gravity' as though that's meant to mean something.

We observe that some stuff does fall to the ground when we drop stuff, but not everything drops to the ground, some stuff floats about.

I posted 2 videos on here where they speculated that incoherent magnetism can pull stuff to the ground?

Mountains are not formed by gravity, virtually all mountains are what's left of giant fauna and flora, but mostly the stump of giant trees. But in order to comprehend that you'd have to watch hours of video.
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Discussion #11609Talk Sense

29 Feb 2020 20:00:35
Does our Sun set behind the distant horizon?

Or does it pass through too much atmosphere to see?

 

{Ed033's Note - Yes, you don't normally see the Sun fade out like in this video. This video proves the Sun doesn't set behind any curvature of the Earth. The Sun moves away from the observer until the Sun's light can't penetrate through the atmosphere between the observer and the Sun.
Southern Monkey
29 Feb 2020 22:08:33
*some subtext from videos I post.

Whatever the slant of whatever video, it aggravates me that people feel the need to mock the other side. It just takes weight out of the debate. You believe what you believe. Too be shamed for that in any shape or form is subhuman.

I have never said I was right. I will be happily proven wrong.

Prove me wrong on the videos I post. I encourage it.
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Standard
02 Mar 2020 00:14:17
Southern konkey, that's the problem. I could make a video very easily showing whatever I like. Learn the other side mate. Read a book and study physics. You would see why we mock your views. It's because they're completely wrong. We can't argue our points because your choosing to ignore even the simplest laws of the universe. Explain your best points as to why the universe is flat. I don't want videos and I won't show you nasa videos. I'll tell you simple physics.
{Ed033's Note - The whole point of the videos so someone doesn't have to write an essay. Your mind is so closed, you won't watch the videos on here.
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Southern Monkey
02 Mar 2020 15:44:14
Standard you clearly don't read my posts or watch the videos as Ed has stated.

I have never once said the Earth is flat. Find my other post to you. I am not wasting my time repeating myself.
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Discussion #11608Talk Sense

29 Feb 2020 19:53:21
"I have flown all 'round' the 'globe' and I have seen the 'curve' for myself" - Anon

Is that because the windows distort your view?

 

{Ed033's Note - Exactly, the hypnotised, seduced ones think they've seen some curvature when they were up in a plane so that's the end of the story for them.
Southern Monkey
29 Feb 2020 21:46:20
Yeah, I put Anon out of respect of the origin of the point of view.

If they want to respond. Kudos.
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Rian
29 Feb 2020 23:25:13
Everyone who says that only has a passengers view on a commercial aircraft for context.

Completely different when you sit at the front.
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wiggy677
01 Mar 2020 06:03:29
I've slowly been going through all the videos on here the last few weeks, really interesting but I'm still open minded both ways, however even when I was a kid looking out of a plane window I knew the window caused the outside view to look curved, I'm not sure how people can't figure that one out.
{Ed033's Note - Yes, we have to keep an open mind because new info might come along, that could potentially change things.
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hsf
01 Mar 2020 11:31:58
I've been in the cabin during a flight as a kid. Didn't look any different to the passenger windows.
{Ed033's Note - How about watching the video then commenting.
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Rian
01 Mar 2020 19:34:59
What a kid you must have been. Not to be overawed by seeing all the instruments and controls and meeting the pilots. You looked out the window and thought yeah there’s definitely some curvature there. Must remember that when I’m an adult and someone starts talking about flat earth. Case closed.
{Ed033's Note - Nice one Rian :)
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Discussion #6018Talk Sense

29 Feb 2020 12:23:35
Laughable picture allegedly taken of the Earth and surrounding stars from the surface of the Moon by Apollo 16 Astronaut at 11m30s. Start watching from 11m15s to 11m55s

 

Rian
29 Feb 2020 16:23:02
it's ridiculous.

Something I've seen here and also on much so called lunar footage is that the astronauts frequently kneel down and not with any care.

If you were on the moon and even the tiniest breach of your suit could result in your death, there is no way you would be kneeling on a rocky surface.

Just for added value if you look at the way they move around, it looks a lot like they are trying to find the surface with their feet as opposed to bouncing up from it. exactly what you would do if you were on a wire.
{Ed033's Note - Exactly Rian,

Also NASA don't mind talking about radiation, but they never seem to comment on how any of the equipment can stand up to the extreme temperatures. I would think the tyres on the moon buggies would freeze and crack into pieces at lower than minus 150 degrees centigrade. Also i think the batteries would also not work at the extreme temperatures.
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Southern Monkey
29 Feb 2020 18:00:13
Don't worry, Ed. They're in a nice warm studio.

Rian, I am not sure if they were posted on here, but there are videos showing Astronauts floating back to there feet after falling over. (Basically them struggling with the wire harness, or it was the harness operators first day. ) .

You have to remember though, that these are the best of the best and they don't need to concentrate or care about what they are doing. Much like the lunar launch on Apollo 15 when all they are worried about is playing some music on a tape player, to celebrate how great the US is. It's not like if one minuscule thing goes wrong, they are all dead hundreds of thousands of miles from Earth.
{Ed033's Note - Those space suits don't have any radiation protection, the space suits cannot perform in a 1 x 10 to the minus 11 torr vacuum allegedly on the moon and i would think the space suits couldn't resist the extreme temperatures either.
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Southern Monkey
29 Feb 2020 18:48:59
only a short clip so watch the whole thing.

At 2m8s was the part I was referencing earlier.

Astronauts on wires:

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southampton
29 Feb 2020 19:44:22
Good vid ed33,
And I've never even thought about temperature swings tyre and batteries.
Lol rian and SM your right, the danger of the mission would give u a total different attitude towards the mission.
Think I seen a vid a few years back on here that showed stage lights falling to the floor.

And also someone pointed out how shadows of Astro not's where wrong .
Surely most must be questioning space agencies now!
{Ed033's Note - Yes all correct southampton, but the seduced people won't even take a look.
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southampton
29 Feb 2020 19:58:04
Only time I've seen stars in rockets fly is when they're cgi edited in.
You regularly see Sun and moon but never stars.
{Ed033's Note - Yes, some 'space experts' and astronauts say you can see stars and some say you can't when asked.

Typically they don't show stars in space footage because until CGI came along it looked so fake.
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Discussion #11607Talk Sense

29 Feb 2020 05:09:11
NASA STS-75 Mission footage, 1996.

Now this footage has been on a lot of 'alien' programs saying we have jellyfish swimming in space.

Think about that? Would it not be more likely that the giant water tank NASA uses to fake these missions has a bacterial or microbial plume? Someone forgot the chlorine that day?

You may say I am jumping to conclusions, but imagining them being in water is made a lot easier when NASA ask the astronaut to describe what is "'swimming in the foreground".

If they were in 'space' you would naturally say 'floating' would you not?

Either way, we have jellyfish aliens? or space is faked? You choose.

Watch from 3m26s to 5m29s.

 

{Ed033's Note - Yes, this looks exactly like looking at microbes in water.
southampton
29 Feb 2020 19:45:03
Another good vid SM.
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southampton
29 Feb 2020 20:01:13
But that's what looked like was in the vid above storm looked like a type of jelly fish.
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hsf
01 Mar 2020 11:34:00
So microbes are real ed? Even though the mainstream scientists are constantly going on about 'microbial life'.
{Ed033's Note - This looks like microbes or something like microbes floating in water, but NASA is saying this in outer space.
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Southern Monkey
01 Mar 2020 18:37:17
Thing is hsf, you can buy a microscope for next to nothing and look at the 'microbial life' yourself.

Not so easy getting into 'space'.
{Ed033's Note - Good one SM.
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hsf
01 Mar 2020 18:46:41
Well it is outer space Ed. There are particles all over the place in space, these are usually what's left of the proto-planetary disc on a microscopic scale to a city sized asteroid scale. Everything else either coalesced into planets, asteroids, moons etc. Some also got trapped in gravity wells of planets and burned up.
It's still happening today too, you ever seen a shooting star? Well that's a small space rock burning up as it enters the Earths atmosphere.

It's also worth mentioning, if this footage were recorded in 4k, we wouldn't be having this discussion because you would see the particles more clearly.
Unfortunately the camera technology in 1996 wasn't that great.
{Ed033's Note - i guess if you continually repeat mainstream b.s., you lose the ability to see the obvious. Tis is clearly something [microbes?] in water and they are pretending it's outer space,
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Discussion #6017Talk Sense

28 Feb 2020 15:01:57
The North Pole area has been erased on our modern maps, but earlier maps show what is really there?

 

Southern Monkey
28 Feb 2020 18:50:48
Was strange to find this as the first post, as I watched a different video on old maps, this morning. This lead me to Urbano Monte's map of 1587. Its width is 10 feet. It's in Italian but can be translated.

Urbano Monte map

"Monte made his map to serve not only as a geographical tool but also to show climate, customs, length of day, distances within regions - in other words, to create a universal scientific planisphere. "

The question with the OP video is, why make a map with Islands and towns if they are not actually there?

Do you happen to know the context of this map, as in why it was made and who commissioned it? .

From thinking across topics like chronology changes, hidden past etc. It does seem to point to some big changes in the I600s. And isn't this the time that the printing press became a thing? . I'll have to check but sure the first printed book was the 'Gutenberg Bible'. Thought that is probably debatable.
{Ed033's Note - Printing Press was mid I400s, but as far as i'm concerned, no date prior to around 1850 is reliable.

In the O.P. video there are 3 maps shown, one is the Mercator map. It's highly likely that the Islands and towns were there. It's also likely that they have destroyed the towns there now, like they have destroyed other towns in other parts of the world either by fire or by pretending to be at war with an area to hide the real past, hide any past technology and take out any people who might have any knowledge of the past.
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Discussion #11606Talk Sense

28 Feb 2020 06:51:00
Rupert Sheldrake gives a talk about his book, The Science Delusion, which shows the ways in which science is being constricted by the assumption that science already knows all the fundamental answers.

 

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Discussion #11796Talk Sense

27 Feb 2020 14:02:36
I don't mind some conspiracies but surely you can't believe flat earth and that space doesn't exist? That's crazy talk. Physics shows us the earth is round but simply, look at the moon, look at the stars. How on earth can the stars not exist? I'm bemused.

 

{Ed033's Note - And you should be bemused. You can watch some videos on here and if you're still intrigued you can return and watch more videos. If you're not intrigued, then you can call it crazy and leave, it's up to you.

I'll just say 4 things here:

No. 1. The Globe model curvature maths is about 8 inches per mile squared. 1 mile = 8 inches, 2 miles is 2 squared x 8 = 32 inches. 3 miles is 3 squared x 8 = 72 inches.

So, we can see that on the Globe model at some point the curvature of the Earth means we shouldn't see objects miles into the distance.

But what if you have a good zoom camera like a Nikon P900 and someone can zoom into objects that should be hidden by the curvature of the Earth? What if people can zoom into objects that should be hidden by 100s of feet of curvature? This is why people are Globe sceptics.


No 2. What we observe is the further from a light source we are, the dimmer it appears. This can be worked out mathematically using the inverse square law of light. The Heliocentric model has the Moon being around 225,000 miles away, the Sun at around 93 million miles away and all the Stars at over 4 lightyears away.

The problem being if we take the closest of those objects, then the Moon light should be quadrillions of lumens, which is an impossibility. It's no wonder then that some people are thinking that we have a local Moon, local Sun and local Planets and Stars. But we have to call Stars, Luminaries because we have no clue what the 'Stars' we observe are.

Also when we observe the Moon at night with clouds around it, we see the clouds that are immediately around the Moon are very bright and we observe that the clouds that are just a little bit further from the Moon are dark.



No. 3. Why are all the space agencies faking Outer Space? If you don't think they are, watch some videos on here or elsewhere.



No. 4. How is it possible to have the vacuum of outer space, directly next to our pressured atmosphere?
The Sandon
27 Feb 2020 21:47:55
Ed, i love all this stuff on this site

I have a quick question.
Have you ever visited an observatory?

Thx.
{Ed033's Note - No. Glad you like this site.
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Standard
27 Feb 2020 22:45:01
Forgive me, I wasn't calling you crazy moreso the idea. I'm not often interested in debates because it's just 2 people trying to make the other believe their view. However, I shall watch how much of the videos you've shared I can bare, before my science knowledge shakes its head at it.

You should read astrophysics for people in a hurry, by Neil degrasse Tyson. He has a chapter called 'on being round' and it very adaquetly explains it I believe.

1. how have you came to the conclusion we shouldn't see objects in the distance? That does not make sense to me unless I'm misunderstanding you.

2. The Sun is 400 times bigger than the moon, yet 400 times further away from the earth than the moon. This is maybe why the moon and sun look the same size. The reason the sun's luminosity is much higher is due to the amount of energy the sun has. It's literally a burning ball of energy while the moon is a chunk of the earth orbiting us.

3. If outer space is being faked, then Elon Musk is wasting a lot of time on his company space x. I have nothing else to say on this, as I could also say the star Sirius doesn't exist, although we can see it.

4. Why can't you have that?

Just to be clear, do you think other planets are flat as well or only earth?

Cheers.
{Ed033's Note - 1. I'm not saying we shouldn't see objects in the distance. If we can see them then we can see them and something is there. Nobody knows how far Stars are away from us, i'm sying they're not lightyears away.

2. Nobody knows whether any of this is correct. It's all theory. This site shows the problems with those theories and shows an alternative.

3. Of course we can see the luminary we call Sirius, but it's not lightyears away, it's local and likely in the Firmament. If Elon Musk wants to be part of the Spac Agencies ,then Space X has to do fake outer space like all other space agencies around the World.

4. Earth is not a planet. The 'planets' are luminaries, i don't now what planets are but they are not flat, the planets move, the Earth is stationary, the Sun, Moon, Planets and Stars move above the Earth. The heliocentric model is an incorrect theory. The heliocentric model has Earth spinning at 1000 miles per hour, Earth rotating around the Sun at 66,000 mph, The Sun moving through the Milkyway at 500,000mph and the Milkyway moving through the Universe at over 1 million mph . And yet there is evidence that Earth is not moving, The Michelson-Morley experiment is devastating to the heliocentric model.

The Earth is a realm fixed in place, doesn't move, doesn't rotate and above it are the Sun, Moon, and Luminaries (Planets and Stars).

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Southern Monkey
28 Feb 2020 07:20:12
Standard. I can only speak for myself but it's not a case of believing that the Earth is flat. (And I don't believe anyone on this site has said space doesn't 'exist'. It just doesn't in the form of mainstream perception. )

It is more a case of NASA faking space and the fact there is no photos of the Earth that haven't been run through the 'Blue Marble' framework (basically photoshopping) where they layer 2d images across a globe model.

NASA even sent a 'satellite' into 'space' just to take photos of the Earth. Yet on closer examination, they are still using the 'Blue Marble' 3d model to run the images through. Now why is that? Why not just take a picture and show us the raw image. Why are they altering the image? for what purpose?

NASA also faked the Moon missions. If you care to take the time on these pages you will find the NASA footage they didn't want you to see.

The question of the flat Earth becomes a possibility because of these things.

Then to add weight you have the Antarctic Treaty. You can not go beyond 60 degrees south latitude without permission from higher powers. And then It would be impossible to explore because of the limitations.

The say it is 'pure' down there. But I have seen uninhabited island/ lands strewn with crap from the western world. How does this not get to Antarctica? . I assume all climatic airflow also circumvent this part of our world, as there is no pollution down there?

Basically things just don't add up. I have just posted a video on the 'dogma' of science as we know it. How they make us believe things are fact when it true reality they are no better than unproven theories with no one bit of proof to back it up.

Gravity is something that is also brought up with the flat Earth model. But gravity has a serious flaw. And to cover up this flaw mainstream science has created 'dark matter' and 'dark energy' to patch the glaring holes in this flaw. That's 96% of our supposed Universe. So they have a theory that is 96% incorrect.

Things like this go unnoticed when people just believe what they are told. If you want a serious career in the sciences, you dare not question the dogmatic truth.

I could go on, but I feel my words fall on deaf ears.
{Ed033's Note - Sounds all good to me Southern Monkey, thanks.
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