16 Oct 2014 14:48:11
Thank you all for their views yesterday on the Jackie post. Will be spending a lot more time here.
I personally think that lho was just a scapegoat because he neither had the skills nor the required angle to make all shots. As some pointed out yesterday it had to be someone high up. Maybe the Cia.
ed33 who in your view is the possible mastermind?
{Ed033's Note - Hi Reet, JFK started creating interest free money outside of the Federal Reserve system, so the masterminds could be the group of international bankers that manage the Federal Reserve
16 Oct 2014 15:04:28
That is a good theory. Doubt we will ever know the truth.
{Ed001's Note - it would make sense though, as the CIA's head is always a banker......}
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Ed001 did you say bankers or w - actually never mind!
Reet - it's been good getting fresh blood onto the page so glad you are going to stick around. For me, the US banking families were almost certainly behind the JFK hit. They had control over certain factions within the CIA, certain high level politicians, important media people and so on - all the necessary bits of the jig saw. They also had the motive (s), not only was JFK cutting them out of the banking industry he was also against secret societies, the Vietnam War and the big oil companies - all of which were of vested interest to those elite groups.
Harold
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17 Oct 2014 19:45:50
Well let's see, what did JFK do to annoy so many people?
His proposed changes to the federal banking system obviously annoyed a certain group of families.
His proposed withdrawal from Vietnam annoyed the military, the CIA and a certain group of families who supply the military with everything from rifles and blankets to multi million dollar airplanes.
His handling of Castro, Cuba, the Bay of Pigs annoyed the CIA, the mafia, and a certain group of families.
His resulting fallout with the CIA, the firing of Dulles and vow to splinter the agency into a thousand pieces obviously upset the CIA, and their friends and backers in a certain group of families.
His appointment of his brother as A-G and his campaign against the mafia upset the mafia families.
Basically everything the guy did upset someone, and each act you look at links into another act and each upset person links to someone else. Its quite a cartel Jack had against him: CIA, Mafia, Military, FBI, Wall Street Bankers, Oil barons, and so on. Not all of the whole lot, but enough, and enough in significant positions of power to be able:
To arrange a trip to a city away from JFK's power base.
To arrange that odd route through the city.
To clear out the bodyguards.
To create the legend of Oswald
To create a patsy like Oswald
To get Ruby in place to silence Oswald.
To muddy the waters with the mess that was the autopsy and then the Warren Commission.
Look at what's happened since. The Vietnam war escalated, the wealthy banking families got richer. Iraq and the war for oil all because these families got so powerful.
Mort
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16 Oct 2014 11:45:45
edd have you ever watched jay essex? I was going to turn it off a few times with the stuff he was saying but I ended up watching the full 2 hours last night, weird but interesting guy.
{Ed033's Note - no not jay essex
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16 Oct 2014 11:43:55
i think it was here a few years ago that bases 9 (supersoldier) stuff was coming out, Micheal prince aka casbolt stuff which at the time was weird even for me, but I watched it all for my curiosity, now that someone I really do respect, richard d hall has come out and named and shamed miles johnson as either a sellout or on the dissinfo payroll its so hard today to know someone who is credible or there to steer you another way, for a example casbolt/prince on video documents that he assassinated someone in a part of london (he says the area and roughly the date) now I am no copper but if someone admits to murder on youtube even if sounds nutty then surly the police have to at least interview you him? then fastfoward a few years later he is living in the usa and claims he assassinated someone in new york?
these people miles johnson interviews have to be paid actors working for mi6 or associated with mi6.
{Ed033's Note - Yes when i first heard an interview with James Casbolt/Michael Prince, i was certain, he was making it up as he couldn't go into detail about what he was saying. He's either not right in the head or someone who wants some publicity or a paid agent.
The problem with Miles Johnston is that he'll interview anyone and then release it without judgement, which just attracts nutters and or agents who obfuscate and make a mockery of these subjects
Johnson has to be on the payroll edd or let's say encouraged.
{Ed033's Note - Maybe he receives some money for any of his video interviews or conferences that are shown on tv. As the tv companies want to only show 'nutters' in the paranormal/conspiracy genre, his conferences or video interviews contain a lot of agents pretending to be nutters, so he has lots of material for them to buy off him.
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Here is his latest one for people who have never heard of the guy, you will get a gist how disinfo works, also he mentions richard d hall who gave him a hard time about his claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3EycAS-tPk#t=2751
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16 Oct 2014 11:13:59
Monsanto is sadly winning the battle to control the world's seed production, and in turn it will lead to control of the world's food supply. This ultimately is great news for Monsanto and bad news for everyone else.
It has been catastrophic in India, where 95% of the cotton seeds are now Monsanto controlled, and the increasing number of suicides by cotton seed farmers there remains largely ignored by the mainstream media.
I have seen young Irish farmers on a TV debate extolling the virtues of GM seeds, and how it will make them more competitive as they have been dazzled by promises of higher yields per acre etc.
Their naivety was staggering, and by the time they realise it's a huge mistake it will be too late. The opportunity for this island to be truly green and GM free is already lost.
Sooner rather than later, Monsanto will literally be able to medicate the global population. Growing your own organic produce is becoming more and more difficult in the US, and no doubt the EU will soon follow. Population control will be easy as they will be able to introduce false seed shortages, which of course will drive prices up. Seeds will become more important than oil.
Ryan.
{Ed033's Note - Farmers in India believed monsanto crops were going to bring them more money but it actually caused them to go into huge debt that they can't pay back as you have to buy special products off monsanto to grow crops each year, you have to buy the seeds each year off monsanto (with monsanto charging what they like) and the actual yield is lower, so you sell less and thus make less money and therefore start borrowing money.
When indian farmers get into uncontrollable debt because of Monsanto, they commit suicide. Scores of farmers in India each day are committing suicide because in India, debts are passed onto others in your family, and the only way to wipe out the debt is to commit suicide apparently.
16 Oct 2014 14:50:19
Think you have summed up the situation very well. I hear numerous stories in India. One study reported close to 100 thousand deaths in a yeqr or so
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Thanks for sharing Ryan, what horrendous practises. My mind was blown open on the whole subject of food supply when I watched the documentary 'Food Inc' a few years back. Would recommend it to anyone who has not seen it.
Harold
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15 Oct 2014 18:46:16
Hey guys just wanna say big thanks for putting up with my questions lol, I'm not exactly new to theorys out of the 'normal thinking' remit, but have never really been able to talk to people about it without being made to look all strange and crazy 😜
What I always find funny is when I ask people what happened in Roswell they will answer 'a space ship crashed didn't it?' Then if u go on to ask them if aliens exist they say I dnt think so lol.
A wise man once said, there are 2 theories 1/ we are not the only living things out there or 2/ we are totally alone, both are as scary as each other 😃
15 Oct 2014 20:43:30
No worries, just ask away, everyone has their own areas of expertise.
Mort
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Hey CTR,
Crazy is a matter of perspective. When one cannot relate to the way another processes information, either due to lack of common information or an inability to mimic another's analytical processes, then the label "crazy" is applied and used, so as to end the discussion and inhibit the process of venturing into the unknown. If one deals in uncovering conspiracies and has never been called crazy it usually means they haven't uncovered much.
In regards to experiencing fear when confronted with the possibility of the existence of something one would identify as alien to oneself, one could say that that is dependent on insecurities. One should be excited when encountering the unknown, as that is the only way for one to expand, surpass and evolve beyond their current limitations.
Concerning the actual question, I have offered my opinion on the similar question submitted below.
zari
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15 Oct 2014 14:40:27
Anyone know why mi5, cia and fbi are kidnapping children? What is the real agenda by doing this thousand of children go missing all over the world all investigation leads to the elite. any one with information or stories?
The basic answer would be because they're told to kidnap them. But there are probably multiple reasons for the kidnappings from fulfilling a catalogue [of children] order to them taking part in some kind of ritual.
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Why would they use kids in rituals what would they gain from it. do they get used in experiments or used as mk ultra assasins? That james Holmes guy looks brainwashed but how would they have the time to control him when his parents are there?
Ocinnico
{Ed033's Note - if you say, "all investigation leads to the elite", then you must know that the elite are pedos and that's part of the reason, the other part is because the elite allegedly believe they can assimilate the energy from the kids.
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The 'cremation of care' ritual at Bohemian Grove features a mock human sacrifice (of a baby) in front of a huge stone owl. No doubt in times gone by these sort of rituals would be carried out with real babies/children. I'm sure it still happens in less well known circles.
The elite don't think like you or I, some part of their belief system leads them to think that they gain a certain power from carrying out these rituals.
There are also those sicko's who just get pleasure from such acts against children, perhaps even to feed their control/superiority complexes, who knows. Whilst this is the case there is always scope for intelligence agencies to blackmail powerful figures by providing children for parties and making sure that the individual is in attendance, so that it can be used against them in future.
How do you think Cameron was brought in under the wing of the Astor's? ;)
Harold
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What kind of energy? How do they use this energy and for what purpose?i have known about pedos in positions of power that's been going back from day, but could it be really be going on, on such a large scale? I got info on bare mans abusing kids bu
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Anyone no the answer to why these ****rees abuse and murder kids. Why and what they going to get from it? It really pisses me off that all these kids are going missing and no one talks or mentions it. I been studying this subject for 8 years, If you read the cases and the who are involved it makes sense, witness statements are ignored big time, and the media never cover it.
I have followed information that leads to rich guys ordering organs from black market child trafficking crews but what about the rest of the 25,000,000 kids? I know this subject goes deep but abuse, organs, slavery, child soldiers after all of that there's still millions unaccounted for and that's not counting the ones who pass away from accidents and natural causes. does anyone know?
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15 Oct 2014 11:14:26
Hi wll first time poster (hi)
Now I see that jfk is a hot topic on this page.
So just wanted to ask how many of you actually believe that Jackie was the killer or at least was the one who delivered the killer blow?
I have watched and read a lot on this and though this seems crazy this might be very possible
Thanks for any answers guys
Not me, its simply a diversion tactic and miss info in my opinion.
{Ed033's Note - Hi Reet, no to Jackie being involved in the killing of JFK from my opinion.
For anyone who thinks it was just LBJ or just the Mafia or just Lee Harvey Oswald, ask yourself, do they have the power to order away JFK's bodyguards from the car JFK was in?
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I was just going to say the very same thing ED033. Not only the guy opening his hands out in confusion, but also two of them in the car. That kind of instruction has to come from very high up. Maybe the head of the CIA? What was his name? George something?
There were four shots fired I believe. With a hit of that magnitude, on a moving target, it makes sense to have multiple shooters. Having said that I don't believe Jackie was one of them.
Ryan.
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Hi Reet nice to see you on the site.
I agree with franky, Ed033 and Ryan, such a plot would require backing from the very top levels of the establishment and I believe the Jackie theory to be disinformation to throw us off track.
Harold
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Have you ever wondered why they went to so much effort. Why not poison him or down Air Force one?
Or was there a message they were putting out to future president to obey?
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Yes, to send a message to all future Presidents to just do as you're told and don't try to think independently, or else!
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15 Oct 2014 06:04:13
Aron
Following on from a few days back about Ebola, this may be of interest to you.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_virus25.htm
Thanks, will check it out
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14 Oct 2014 23:32:18
just spent most of the night watching Richard D. Hall partial presentation on the secret space program then I went on to watch again UFOS AND NATO - The Human Mutilation Cover Up, and one thing always gets missed, why is it so hard to get a rough estimate how many people all over the world go missing and are never seen again?
for the record I do believe we have and are being experimented by alien species, now they are quick enough giving a rough estimate that there is about 9 billion on this planet so surely they could give a rough estimate how many are gone and never seen again especially it should be a lot easier in the west, so I can't back up figures to make my point, so here is a tiny stat I looked up in 2010 1 million children (under18) reported cases in the uk and usa went missing, some were killed, some abducted and some returned but some are never found, and bearing in mind these are reported cases, imagine how many are not reported?
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like I said I have no exact figures to back up my point, so let's just assume its a conservative 1 million reported cases worldwide and let's assume 99% are explained (murdered etc) that leaves 10,000 people/kids a year reported cases that are never ever seen or reported found dead (you need to watch the show to know what I mean)
me personally I think the number is much higher and that is one of the principle reasons why we do not have full disclosure.
I agree Frankie, in fact I was listening to some1 the other day talking about this and he bought up a case of a young man from America who was a decent football player (nfl) that was fishing who just vanished, he rang his gf and said he thought some1 was chasing him and then his fone went off from where they were getting the pings from his fone to where they found his body was pretty much impossible to to get to. Another cases was of children seemingly vanishing and being found in place they can't remember getting too.
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I think the unexplained ones are generally either runaways, as in kids abducted for human trafficing etc. , or are killed and not found.
{Ed033's Note - CHILLING CASES OF MISSING PEOPLE - David Paulides
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUsEBO6C2M
Veritas Radio with David Paulides on strange disappearnaces in US national parks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0JYeaAJ3o
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Listened to david paulides interviews before and one thing stands out, there is no public documented acknowledgement that these cases exists , most of these incidents occur in out the way places and even if you think it could have been a killer or animal attack and the body never found, why did the authorities never tell one of the distraught families whose 8 year old boy was missing that another 6 year old boy was missing and put the families in touch with each other?
for the record paulides is not saying this is ufo related but he classes this as out the ordinary and he deals with facts not assumptions.
kids and adults are literally never seen again and there is no officially documented figures which makes me think its more common than we all think.
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14 Oct 2014 22:29:16
Todays poll
Yes deffinately, the aids virus was deliberately spread in an attempt to wipe out gay people and Afro Caribbeans hence a reduction in the population.
Same difference but different virus.
Easier and cheaper than a war!
Harold
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14 Oct 2014 16:40:34
Hey again guys lol sorry about the amount of posts but just so I can get a grasp on people's veiws, what's everyone's opinions on aliens and them visiting and being here on earth?
Ctr. I think they or a particular race could be our ancestors. Or we have been tinkered with through our dna. There appears to references to aliens/flying objects in the bible. You have old famous paintings and pictures depicting flying objects. God's and angels in things we've been brought up with without questioning basically are all from the sky which could also be Chinese whispers for star people / aliens etc. We are so different to every other animal on this planet.
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No idea TBH, it's an area that goes way over my head.
Harold
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14 Oct 2014 21:48:41
There is too much in ancient literature, greek, roman, norse, indian, Chinese, meso America, even cave drawings, depicting or talking of what could be 'aliens'. Aliens or angels? Gods or spacemen?
Kim Philby
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CTR, there's a TV show on H2 called Ancient Aliens that I'd recommend you to watch. It's actually a great channel in general for subjects people on here are interested in, it's worth keeping an eye on it and isn't too heavy going for people just starting to get interested. Don't ever apologise for asking questions, no matter how trivial or how silly you think they are, we're all here to pass on what we know and to learn from each other.
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Ill addon to what Ed007 says, that don't be afraid to ask stupid questions, the more you ask, the more you learn.
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14 Oct 2014 16:37:39
Ok guys I remember hearing a while back that a type of auto pilot was used to crash the planes into the WTC towers by the American government.
This seems very plausible to me and I'm sure they could easily create a thing like this, what do u guys think?
For a long time I believed they were remote controlled military drones that hit the towers, dressed up as jumbo jets, having been switched with the original planes.
Believe it or not, the most credible theory to me these days is the 'no plane' theory. Sounds bonkers but look at the close up shots of the 'planes' slicing straight through structural concrete and steel, not physically possible. The son of the Lear jet inventor (can't remember his christian name) has done some work on the no planes theory which you may find interesting.
No plane went near the Pentagon IMO, more likely some kind of missile.
Harold
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I agree gav that has always been my thinking, the road runner style hole in the buildings never sat well with me.
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The official speeds of the alleged aircraft in the NIST report ironically rule out the possibility of conventional airliners being used.
United 175 was supposed to be travelling at 510kts ( (587mph) when it hit the tower.
It's not possible for the aircraft to reach those speeds at 700-800 feet unless in a steep dive.
There were no aircraft imo.
Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks
http://youtu.be/bm58cPH8L78
Ryan
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While highly probable imo guys what do u make of the family's of the victims on the plane? All actors?
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Exactly, Ryan, just not possible.
CTR, I don't think they were all actors but could be wrong. This part is the real mystery of 9/11 for me. There is some evidence that family members were receiving phonecalls from those on the planes when they were supposedly at heights that calls could not be made from! In other words I suspect that the calls were staged somehow. There was that one call where a lady seemed to whisper "it's a frame" at the end of her call to her husband. If the calls were staged I'm afraid I imagine the people were all 'taken care' of afterwards.
As an aside, I'm sure I remember reading that the family members of those who died in the towers were quickly offered a financial settlement and that most accepted. Somehow I think that acceptance implies consent towards the official story, meaning that those families are left with no course of legal action even if they start to see the lies? Sorry if I've got that wrong as I can't remember where I heard it.
Harold
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