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26 Jul 2014 10:15Discussion #9180Talk Sense

26 Jul 2014 11:10:22
yes 95 media if not more are run by controlled agencies.

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26 Jul 2014 08:14Discussion #4961Talk Sense

26 Jul 2014 09:12:04
{Ed033's Note - Before giving consent to have a new Digital radio frequency 'Smart' meter installed, it's important to watch the below documentary

Then you can go to the following web site for some solutions

http://www.takebackyourpower.net/solutions/

Cheekychap8827 Jul 2014 08:43

Great link ed, thanks. Do you know of any links to template letters / emails that I can send to my utility company in the UK?

{Ed033's Note - There are 2 templates here:

http://www.takebackyourpower.net/news/2014/05/16/template-notice-demand-removal-2014/

These templates were written by a New York lawyer for people living in USA. If you're in UK, this appears to be too complicated at this stage, as what you're after in UK at the moment, is your energy supplier to agree with you (in writing) that they understand you non consent and won't be installing a new meter on your property you have possession of.

A simple NOTICE saying you don't give consent to them removing your existing meter. You do not give consent to them installing any new meter and they have 30 days to respond that they agree that they won't ever install a meter on you property while you're in possession of it may suffice at the moment.

If you can't get their agreement, then you know you're in a fight and you'll want to take a close look at the above templates (and alter it to suit you) and then get a notary public to witness your signature, if you think you're going to have to go to 'court' at some point in the future.

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Not Registered27 Jul 2014 19:32

That's great, thanks ed

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26 Jul 2014 07:15Discussion #12493Talk Sense

26 Jul 2014 07:56:57
So there are a trillion feet of natural gas off the coast of Gaza, in palestinian waers ( isreali controlled)

If there was no blockade and gaza had a port an airport and some proper infrastructure, good education and health, power stations and water refinerys so they weren't dependant on isreal for water and electric, coupled with building the infrastructure to get the gas out.

They might become a tidy little country. could this be the real reason that isreal are trying to bomb them into insignifigance and destroy them

Fear, and to prevent them developing.

I think there is more to it that hamas rockets that are probbaly doing little to no damage, and certainly doestn warrent the response that isreal has had.

Not Registered26 Jul 2014 09:52

The gas is a side issue. With or without the gas, Israeli policy will be the same.

Ryan.

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frankyscouser26 Jul 2014 10:15

I have heard hamas could be israeli funded and I am starting to think that now, let me run scenario this by you all.

i am a genuine hamas leader and I know my token bombs are not going to do anything but send my country back in the stone age with generations of families wiped out, I suddenly find out that we have resources that can make us all self sufficient and build a infrastructure for my people, so I decide to go down the peace route and sign a treaty, then I contact a nation that can help me get the oil out and give them a cut of any profits, like say venezuela (asking russia could be the start of ww3)then once the oil/money is rolling in I will build a port and do my own export and import deals, letting nato know everything.

thats what I would do anyway, I do not agree with any type of violence hamas or israel as it only plays into the zionists hands.

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26 Jul 2014 13:45:24
I would suggest resources play a large part. Everything else is window dressing.

As for funding Hamas, its certainly a possibility. The Israeli secret services are one of the best at what they do. Via proxies and shell corporations. Maybe the funding comes from further afield?

Kim Philby

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Not Registered26 Jul 2014 19:52

26 Jul 2014 20:41:15
Frankyscouser. that would be the clever way to go about it. There seems like nothing to be gained from the violence but everything to be gained from peace.
NIV.

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26 Jul 2014 00:19Discussion #9179Talk Sense

26 Jul 2014 00:03:29
israel admit Hamas not responsible killing 3 israeli teens, netanyahu MUST BE CHARGED WITH WAR CRIMES.

Not Registered26 Jul 2014 10:07

He should be, but he won't.

Ryan.

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HERBIE26 Jul 2014 10:15

He will probably end up with the noble peace prize, that's how screwed up this world is.

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26 Jul 2014 13:51:05
Why not other murderers have won it after all.

Kim Philby

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HERBIE27 Jul 2014 08:39

My point exactly KP.
Barrack Obama
Yasser Arafat
Desmond Tutu
Despots, Murderers, Tyrants, Nobel peace winners.
Madness.

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Not Registered27 Jul 2014 19:32

27 Jul 2014 16:43:54
You missed off Mandela and the ira guys as well.

Obama was a really strange one. Utterly bizarre.

I think the next one is between Putin and Netanyahu. Maybe a joint award?

Kim Philby

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24 Jul 2014 17:50Discussion #10744Talk Sense

24 Jul 2014 18:22:20
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but there has been a LOT of plane crashes recently.

My thoughts go to the families of the victims.

Not Registered24 Jul 2014 20:39

24 Jul 2014 21:37:34
Indeed, slightly worried as I have a lot of trips coming up.

Kim Philby

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24 Jul 2014 16:10Discussion #9178Talk Sense

24 Jul 2014 16:42:20
if you want to know the real reason why israel stepping up its war crimes on Palestine , this short 9 minute video will explain it all.

{Ed033's Note - Did you forget to put the link in, frankscouser? or is there something more sinister afoot?

xXJediXx24 Jul 2014 17:50

Whats the link please franky

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frankyscouser24 Jul 2014 20:28

This is the fourth attempt edd with this link, so not sure why its not coming up, so if you go on youtube and type
"What You're Not Being Told By The Media About Palestine Gaza"

its on for 9. 19 seconds, I got the link off gareth icke.

{Ed033's Note - ok, i went to youtube to find it, it's below

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Not Registered25 Jul 2014 09:38

Hi guys 1st time poster, thought you might find this interesting.

An honest Isreali Jew tells the truth about Isreal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

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24 Jul 2014 12:55Discussion #9177Talk Sense

24 Jul 2014 13:47:56
i have never heard of the lawful bank until today and I have just watched a conference with Mr Hayes explaining the process, its so bloody simple its genius, I have just signed up after watching the video, after 20 mins it will explain the lawful bank but I watched it from the start which was interesting as well, something like this inspires me, cheers edd.

Not Registered24 Jul 2014 13:07

{Ed033's Note - Ok thanks, frankscouser.

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frankyscouser24 Jul 2014 18:22

Have you signed up for the lawful bank edd?and what is your views on it?

{Ed033's Note - i signed up for the lawful bank years ago soon after it was started. They're going to attempt to start the lawful bank proper in 2015 apparently (or they were). it should be interesting when they do issue people 'sovereign' currency.

The idea to begin with is that people within the lawful bank could use it as a part payment , so people might pay out/receive 99% pounds and 1% 'sovereign' currency.

And as people could borrow 'sovereign' currency at a much lower interest rate than from other banks, if businesses/companies started paying wages and accepting 99% pounds and 1% 'sovereign' currency, it's possible it could work.

The problem is, the second, the banking system felt threatened by it 'takiing off', it would have to be stopped at all costs and that's the point people en-mass would have to step in and say they wanted the 'sovereign' currency to stay (but i would guess that people wouldn't do that )

However a lot of people would of had the experience of using a different system/currency and each time the financial system takes a dive, the lawful bank idea could keep returning. maybe people one day will realise they have to create a new financial system themselves

More good stuff from Roger Hayes about the current banking system

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frankyscouser24 Jul 2014 19:13

Once the the crash happens and peoples savings get took would this be unaffected using this system in your opinion? and yes the establishment would do their utmost legal and illegal to stop this as this would bring down the whole kabul in this country and it would have a knock on effect all over the world.

{Ed033's Note - The way the lawful bank was originally described by Roger hayes, people in the lawful bank would be issued 250,000 'sovereigns' whereby 1 'sovereign = Â£1 GBP to get 'sovereign' currency into circulation.

This may sound weird except the lawful bank works to the people's benefit rather than the banker's benefit.

If people want to borrow from the lawful bank, i think it's a 10% fee you would pay back. This isn't 10% per anum but just 10% in total and could be paid back over 20 years.

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frankyscouser25 Jul 2014 06:53

Interesting stuff edd.

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Not Registered25 Jul 2014 06:53

Have they figured out how to pay staff, and other fixed costs associated with running a business even if they are not for profit. I love the idea, but how does it fly in the real world?

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - i listened to Roger hayes a couple of years ago go into detail on how it would work. It's obvious they've carried on 'perfecting' it but back then, the idea was that the 10% fees were going to pay for it to run.

However, i would imagine that the real reason for the lawful bank is to get the idea into the population of, why don't we have a banking system that works exactly like the current system except it benefits the people rather than the bankers?

And the answer to be given to people on where is such a system and how does it work, would be the lawful bank.

Another part of it is this, if someone gives me Â£10000 worth of starbucks vouchers that can only be used to buy starbucks coffees and i don't like coffee, do i throw them away becaus they're worthless to me or try to trade them. It's obvious i'm going to try and trade them.
If i do try and successfully trade them and i find out there are 1000s of other people with Â£10000 worth of starbucks vouchers, i'm going to try and trade with those people for more starbucks vouchers.

If the lawful bank are going to give out 'sovereign' currency digits for signing up, i'm going to want to trade them and it means there are 1000s of other people who want to trade those digits as well. The question is, can we get some kind of trade going amongst ourselves?

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23 Jul 2014 21:19Discussion #11820Talk Sense

23 Jul 2014 22:07:48
Looks like an interesting programme starting on more 4. Nevada triangle.

Not Registered24 Jul 2014 03:10

Actually you didn't miss anything. Only interesting fact was about the amount of downed planes etc within a triangulation between reno, Vegas and fresno. Although several times I've been to Vegas I find my money dissappears.

Supasub

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23 Jul 2014 13:47Discussion #10743Talk Sense

23 Jul 2014 14:44:49
{Ed033's Note - Sandy Hook - the smoking gun article

http://tinyurl.com/oondehn

Not Registered23 Jul 2014 21:19

How much more evidence do people need to believe not only Sandy Hook, but to also understand that it is only one small component in a very big plan. Boston showed us that they are getting better with practice. MH17 has now shown us their ability to operate from distance with absolute confidence.

Ryan.

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frankyscouser23 Jul 2014 21:22

Interesting article edd, another reason why I think it never happened is the lack of follow up stories, for instance if a real nutter did slay a school then fox/sky would be all over it portraying the survival aspect and milk it for all its worth and gauge the public's reaction to disarming the usa, and like the article suggested this was always to ban guns in the states, while I am against guns I am very very skeptical about the whitehouse wanting them banned.

{Ed033's Note - This is a crazy false flag. Allegedly the school was closed because it was an asbestos health hazard, then they decided to open it up for a drill. They moved some crisis actors and agents into the neighbourhood, a coupe of months prior to the drill, had porta potties outside the school for the actors that took part in the drill.

Then they decided to say the drill had a real shooter that killed 20 children except there were no bodies taken to the hospital, nothing for the medical people to do and no blood to clean up.

It looks like everyone that took part in the drill had to take life time silence oaths and some police allegedly signed fake affidavits. To cap it off, some people were given medals and possibly money for being so brave during the shooting that never took place.

The other thing is that people donated millions of dollars to the affected families even though it appears that it was just a drill and stayed a drill without any incident.

Wolfgang Halbig has 16 basic questions he wants answered about Sandy hook and is going to attempt to take people to court who were involved tp try to get them under oath, to get some answers

The 16 Sandy Hook basic questions
http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/about-us.html

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frankyscouser23 Jul 2014 22:55

Attempt is the right word, we know it will never happen because we know this would bring the government down.

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23 Jul 2014 12:26Discussion #10742Talk Sense

23 Jul 2014 13:11:14
Is it just me or does there seem to be a large amount of mps announcing that they will be standing down at the next election? I think it 18 so far? Just seems a lot to me.

Kim Philby

Not Registered23 Jul 2014 12:45

23 Jul 2014 13:33:26
Just checked the figures, 23 tory and 33 labour mps. A lot of whom are women.

Kim Philby

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frankyscouser23 Jul 2014 14:34

Yes kim, I think a lot are standing down because of the pedophilla westminister investigations, I could name a few names but its easily found on the internet, I am not saying all are pedos but they helped cover known pedophille mps, which is just as bad.

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23 Jul 2014 11:53Discussion #2035Talk Sense

23 Jul 2014 12:46:52
Tell me I read the poll wrong? Are 3 people here really happy about fracking in the UK? Really? Have you seen the film Gasland?

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - i guess people believe Jeremy Clarkson and or Nigel Farage when they said (or were told to say) it was 'good' for the economy.

Not Registered23 Jul 2014 12:26

23 Jul 2014 13:13:20
I was initially in favour, but having looked into the matter more I have to say that this is a mistake. Surely solar and tidal power are the way to go?

Kim Philby

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frankyscouser23 Jul 2014 14:34

Solar power all day long for me.

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 16:34

23 Jul 2014 17:23:10
And tidal franky? Plenty of coastline, seems to be efficient compared to the horrible windmills. That with solar would work?

Kim Philby

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frankyscouser23 Jul 2014 17:10

Dont know enough about tidal mate, if works then all well and good.

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 21:22

Tidal is bloody expensive, solar is a lot cheaper for the same amount of KW.

Jonty

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22 Jul 2014 18:29Discussion #10741Talk Sense

22 Jul 2014 18:26:00
What????
Putin is a bigger problem than Obama, Rothschilds et al?
He is just playing the game as ins to.

Not Registered23 Jul 2014 05:43

22 Jul 2014 21:38:03
Well I don't see Obama murdering journalists who print inconvenient truths. I don't see Obama penalizing minorities. I don't see Obama sending to jail a bunch of young girls just for protesting. I don't see Obama sending political opponents to jail on trumped up charges. I don't see Obama having former intelligence officers assassinated in London.

Sure the Americans have issues. Who doesn't. But when you grew up under communism you appreciate freedom all the more. And the freedoms of the 90s are being eroded by a dangerous egomaniac.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 07:09

Its a natural trait to hate the people you perceive to mistreat you and oppress you! the British and Americans on this site focus on their governments hand in the cookie jar of the world, where as Kim will reflect more sternly on her perceived oppressors, just logic. Here in sunny R.S.A, I would lean more to being against the west. They seem to me more trying to take over the world and incite violence murdering civilians through proxies, and Putin his region inter. so i'm more worried of the despot American coming here and screwing up my side of the world (we are in BRICS) than Russians.
Mr. Jones

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 10:17

You're forgetting Michael Hastings, KP. And Guantanamo is still very much open for business if I'm not mistaken. And what about the seal team who killed the man who was supposed to look like OBL? Personal freedom in the US is being eroded at an alarming rate. I could go on, but you get my point.

Putin is a thug with a brain. He is a nasty piece of work, whose only redeeming quality is his total lack of fear for the US. Obama is carefully groomed and presented to the world as the voice of reason, when in fact he is the very opposite.

They are as bad as each other and neither should be trusted.

Ryan.

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 10:46

23 Jul 2014 11:34:55
Nikita Khrushchev was removed from power after the Cuban missile crisis because he lacked a fear of the Americans so I don't really see how having a lack of fear is a good thing. If anything it makes him dangerous.

The problem with Guantanamo is that these are highly dangerous people and need to be put somewhere. Those that have been released well look what they have got upto. Has their treatment been overly harsh, yes it has.

Obama is a puppet, front of shop. Its behind him who's dangerous. Their motives greed and control of resources. What's behind Putin? Russia has plenty of resources and land.

Kim Philby

{Ed001's Note - what do you mean these are dangerous people? You know there are many innocent people in there, have been for years, that are far from dangerous. The only danger is that of America's own making by treating them so badly! I thought you were open minded, but clearly you are not, you are just biased towards the US and Israel.}

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Not Registered23 Jul 2014 11:12

23 Jul 2014 12:01:00
Correct me if I am wrong but were the majority not caught in active war zones? With no good reason for being there?

If I am wrong then my apologies.

Kim Philby

{Ed001's Note - you mean like aid workers? Or those that actually lived in those war zones? Because those are the kind of people that are being labeled as 'dangerous' and placed in Gitmo, to suffer torture and abuse with no recourse to any kind of law. The fact the US thinks it can act outside international law in everything it does should be enough to make it a pariah state. Until they allow their soldiers to be tried for the war crimes they have committed, as they expect others to be tried, then they should be treated as South Africa was in the apartheid era. No government or country should be operating outside international law and still allowed to have a say in deciding the law for others.}

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