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22 Jul 2014 09:38Discussion #12492Talk Sense

22 Jul 2014 10:33:07
What they wonâ€™t report about Malaysian Flight MH17 article by Ron Paul

http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2014/07/20/what-the-media-wont-report-about-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17/

Opinions on ron paul.?

frankyscouser22 Jul 2014 17:13

Personally I like Ron Paul for the reason he never wanted to get involved at any time in the middle east, his haters claim he is against gay and black people, I am not sure if that's true , it could be part of a hate campaign because he is against the involvement in the middle east.

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21 Jul 2014 20:26Discussion #10740Talk Sense

21 Jul 2014 18:21:22
Seriously you do now need to do something about Putin. 10 years ago he was a Russian problem. he's since become an international problem. You let him become a European problem with Georgia and you let him get away with it. Emboldened he's become a global problem over Ukraine. I said it months ago, he will become a second hitler if left unchecked. Crimea was his Sudetenland. East Ukraine is his Austria.

You might think o shut up you silly old woman. But I love my country. I disagree with everything Putin stands for and don't want to see us dragged over the abyss. Putin is potentially a bigger problem than anything in the middle east.

Kim Philby

YoungKenny22 Jul 2014 06:37

I'm not so sure that Putin is the captain of his own ship, so to speak, merely the facade.

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Not Registered22 Jul 2014 07:19

Got to say in my humble opinion, I'm more worried about the people he's against (eu/us/nato). If he's even against them (eu/us/nato) got a feeling though, he's in bed with em all. At least Putin is takin it slow, whereas ol united states of aggression is steamrolling through the planet getting involved in everything and hitting the trigger asap, and to a lesser degree Israel is boasting about murdering people. To me that is a much bigger problem!
Mr. Jones (couldn't log in)

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SF_LFC22 Jul 2014 09:31

Whilst Putin may not be a nice person and not everyone in Russia is behind him, there is clearly an anti-Russia bias in the Western governments and the associated puppet media.

Going back a little bit, the Western allies wanted to overthrow the democratically elected president in Syria (sure, there are questions over the definition of democracy but what country can claim real democracy) so they armed some rebels and caused a civil war. The US apparently wanted to build a gas pipeline through Syria and al-Assad was not supporting so he needed to be removed. Out of interest, a pipeline was the reason the Taliban were removed from Afghanistan too. But for Syria, Putin out maneuvered the West as the main argument was the weapons of mass destruction (where did we hear that before?) and Putin cleverly pulled the rug from under that argument.

Then onto Ukraine. The democratically elected president of Ukraine was not doing what he was supposed to do (he was turning towards Russia rather than the West) so the Western powers funded demonstrations and overthrew the president who is now in exile. Why do the West want Ukraine? Again it is down to gas. Apparently the waters around Crimea are full of gas and the West wanted it. Russia's quick annexation of Crimea means that getting the gas would now require all out war with Russia and that isn't an attractive option so now new plans are required. Did you see, for example, that an approved Russian pipeline through Bulgaria has been held up by the EU? Russia wanted a new corridor for gas into Europe (Ukraine is a little troublesome) and Bulgaria was the chosen route so the EU are now making it difficult. The new plans are showing their heads.

Now onto the unfortunate plane that was shot down by someone. The West has been quick to say it was the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces that shot the plane down but they have offered no evidence yet. Despite no evidence, the puppet Western media keep churning out the same old rubbish. Some questions:

1. Where is the Spanish air-traffic controller who was working for Ukraine air-traffic control at the time of the crash? He tweeted directly after the crash that a Ukrainian military jet was near the plane when it was shot down. His twitter account has been deleted and the chap has disappeared. Should this not be getting a little more coverage than it is?

2. A Russian general went public yesterday with radar evidence that a Ukrainian jet was tracking the plane but that hasn't been covered by the Western media either. Why? Maybe it doesn't suit the message. The general also provided evidence that Ukraine had a number of BUK launchers in the area and they moved them sharpish after the plane came down.

3. An aviation mathematician has published calculations that indicate that it would have been impossible for a BUK operated by the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces to have shot down the plane. The calculations don't say that the plane could not have been downed by a BUK but they do indicate that the location of the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces means they couldn't have done it. That isn't being reported either for some reason.

4. Last night the BBC had a video from the lead Dutch investigator saying that the crash site had been very well preserved but the video was quickly removed and this morning some US expert (not on site) has been saying that we all know that the site has been contaminated by big booted militia trampling all over the evidence. Why does the opinion of a remote expert matter more than the lead Dutch expert on the ground? Maybe the message was not "right". Maybe the Dutch chap was being honest.

Just for the record, I am not Russia (or Ukrainian) but I am from western Europe. I am just sick of the puppet Western press always sticking to a message and not publishing facts that don't suit the message. Look at the Boston bombings, the 7/7 London bombings, 9/11, etc. There are so many examples of the truth being suppressed. And we know that the sheep believe everything they see on TV so control the TV and you control the sheep. Easy.

But Putin has been very quite so I believe he is about to pull another master stroke against the West. As I said at the beginning of my rant, Putin may not be universally approved of in Russia (I didn't like him until recently and I am still against his treatment of some opponents) but he certainly has returned Russia to being a global power. Then again, since the US "got" their nemesis (Osama bin Laden), they need a new nemesis and Russia (or the USSR) filled that role excellently for many years so why not again? Maybe this is bigger than Putin and the West.

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22 Jul 2014 11:40:55
Young Kenny I had the mispleasure of working with Putin in the 80s. I believe I am well placed to judge his character. The man is no ones puppet.

Sflfc. Yes Putin has taken a weakened Russia and is making her strong again. At the same time civil liberties are slowly being eroded. The situation is reminiscent of the rise of the fascist dictatorships.

If you think western news is biased try Russian media its far worse.

For the record I know full well Russia had nothing to do with mh17. This is obviously manufactured to cause trouble with Russia.

But Putin remains a clear problem. The problem is too many on this site are too blinkered with a hatred of America and think that the other side must be the good guys when both are as bad as others. In both countries civil rights are being eroded. In both countries press freedoms are being eroded and the press turned into propaganda outlets.

The Cold War is back, it won't be cold for long. I worked under one oppressive regime. I don't want to see my country fall back or end up in ruins.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered22 Jul 2014 10:53

22 Jul 2014 11:50:57
I get emotive about my country. Apologies.

Sflfc really good questions though.

Kim Philby

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21 Jul 2014 20:24Discussion #9477Talk Sense

21 Jul 2014 17:45:09
No Diana's death was not an accident, it was a planned hit IMO.

Not Registered22 Jul 2014 06:37

I concur.

Harold

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21 Jul 2014 08:38Discussion #2034Talk Sense

21 Jul 2014 09:35:56
For anyone interested in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict this documentary by Sami Moukaddem is well worth a look. I have been friends with Sami for a long time, and he is a wonderfully inspirational man.

"How we can solve the Palestinian-Israeli problem. I simply got tired of western mainstream media presenting the Palestinian-Israeli issue as being complex, "

http://youtu.be/tynqlGmziy4

The film contains over 35 interviews, including Noam Chomsky, Hajo Meyer (Auschwitz survivor), Ilan Pappe (Israeli historian), Omar Barghouti (Boycott Divestment Sanctions), Rabbi Ahron Cohen, Denis Halliday (former UN Assistant Secretary General), Brian Keenan, Alastair Crooke (former MI6)

I hope you enjoy the documentary, and look forward to your comments.

Ryan.

Not Registered21 Jul 2014 12:00

21 Jul 2014 12:49:38
Ah Alistair Crooke. He does know his stuff on the middle east but is a bit of an apologist for Hamas and co. Bit of Lawrence of Arabia syndrome.

Interesting video though.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered21 Jul 2014 20:24

Haha Lawrence of Arabia syndrome.

It does look interesting big fan of Chomsky, always talks sense.

Mort

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20 Jul 2014 07:49Discussion #10739Talk Sense

20 Jul 2014 08:48:47
Regarding the Swedish girls on the M6, one of the arresting officers, a mate I went to school with told us he had never ever dealt with such a strong person. He said they were wild and almost unhumanlike.

Trodonaspike

HERBIE20 Jul 2014 17:33

Never heard of this before so I looked it up, watched the video.
Those girls either had some sort of super human bone structure or there is a god (I'd rather go with super human).
First girl hit by a 40+ foot vehicle went under the wheels, and there's lots of wheels on them trucks, how did she survive that. unreal.

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19 Jul 2014 17:04Discussion #10738Talk Sense

19 Jul 2014 16:25:32
I think WW3 has a good chance of happening Just think about it Palestine are getting the support of Muslim countries Israel has the support of the US and UK if Pakistan decide to fight Israel it angers the US US attacks Pakistan China can't let the US takeover Pakistan China fights the US Russia also fights with China against the US to prevent The US from getting Pakistan India will help the US and you've got WW3.

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19 Jul 2014 14:37Discussion #11905Talk Sense

19 Jul 2014 15:30:54
I have a question, I am not the most politically minded person, so can some explain this Gazza/Israel business please, I'd like to know both the "official" story and the real one, all I know is that Israel claim to be victims even though they're the ones doing the slaughtering people and I saw an Israeli citizen in an interview saying he doesn't care what Israel's aim is as long as they achieve it. Explain this madness.

Not Registered19 Jul 2014 19:55

Israel was formed by Britain promising some Zionist Jews some part of Palestine. They took over and the Palestinians obviously tried to fight back. Before all this happened Palestine was mostly Muslim but had jews living together in harmony! Then there has been 2-3 wars and Israel has been taking more and more land from them illegally!

Israel control the sea the borders of Palestine they don't let anything such as raw materials or anything into Palestine most gets smuggled in such as building materials, certain foods etc. Palestinians are not allowed to move freely etc. Israeli forces are at every part of Palestine and when they get confronted or Palestine fight back, Israel tries to make it out as though they are defending themselves but the truth is, Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the nazi did to the jews!

Most Jews are against this but it's the Zionist Jews who are doing all this! God bless the Palestinians and the good news because these zionists are going to start world war!

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Joe20 Jul 2014 05:10

It's incredibly unjust what has happened to Palestine and it's people.

Following WW2 and the holocaust, which was obviously one of the most horrific and horrendous atrocities in human history, many Jews found themselves without a home.

The newly formed United Nations decided to "create" Israel (or re-create Israel if you believe the bible) by dividing Palestine, and relocating Jews to the area.
It so happens that Jews and Muslim Palestinians had lived side by side in the region for centuries, with no conflict.

Ever since, Israel have been further encroaching Palestinian lands, taking more and more. Palestinian agriculture has suffered and they struggle to survive as a result. Import is limited or non-existent. The Israelis have better infrastructure, education, medicine etc. whilst Palestinians are treated as second class citizens.

We see lots about Israel, Palestine, Gaza etc. on the news daily, yet I'm baffled at how it's reported. It's not a conflict. Its not a war. Let's call it what it is: apartheid.

Having said that, I personally don't believe that it's motivated purely by religion. I refer to the fact that Muslims and Jews lived side by side before the UN sanctioned Israel a Jewish state

It's important to remember that Israel benefit from billions in foreign aid from the US. Most of it in the form of military assistance

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Not Registered20 Jul 2014 07:15

Check out this animation for the basics on Israel and Palestine

http://youtu.be/9jKVQyPgJCw

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Not Registered20 Jul 2014 14:16

20 Jul 2014 13:46:52
In 1947 the UN mandate created Israel by partitioning Palestine into Jewish and muslim areas. The Israelis accepted the deal. The Palestinians didn't and went running to their neighbours, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq asking for help in throwing the Jews into the sea and vowing to finish what hitler started. The arabs lost wars in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. The arab coalition became disillusioned with military failure and one by one made peace with Israel. The Palestinians increasingly resorted to terrorist tactics. Indeed Arafat was related to the Grand Mufti who was a big hitler supporter.

This is the reason the Israelis built the wall, since building it how many buses or cafes have been blown up by suicide bombers. None. All that's left is aimless rocket attacks.

If the Palestinians accept the state of Israel (something they have not done - its been a reality for almost 70 years) and stop trying to fight an unwinnable fight we would a step nearer a solution. The rest of the region (with the exception if the mullah's in Iran) accepted political reality decades ago.

If this happened then it would be easier to get a proper Palestinian state. And they could concentrate on trying to build a future. However the Israelis also have to bend, they have to allow the Palestinians to rebuild, they also have to abandon the illegal settlements and return that land.

I do not for one second agree or condone what the Israelis are doing. No one wants to see pictures of dead children. Both sides have to bend though and this once and for all. It doesn't help when Hamas reject ceasefires brokered by Cairo. Israel should never have committed ground forces and this is to be condemned.

I'm Russian by birth and an EU citizen by nationality so I have no particular allegiance to either side.

Kim Philby

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YoungKenny22 Jul 2014 06:54

Kim - you say you have no allegiance but your comment comes across as very sympathetic towards Israel. How can you say it's the Palestinians who are the ones dragging this war on? As far as I'm concerned it was their land and they have the right to defend it. How would any of us like it if someone just came and took our house and we had to 'accept it'?

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18 Jul 2014 13:04Discussion #11095Talk Sense

18 Jul 2014 13:42:28
Hey folks, a friend recommended a book called Behold a pale horse by bill cooper about conspiracys and I enjoyed it, it's a collection of documents and so on but it open my eyes specially the bit of the bush family and the evidence of Underwater UFO's anyhow cheers

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18 Jul 2014 12:27Discussion #9391Talk Sense

18 Jul 2014 10:28:47
Morning all, Just to move away from the shot down plane for a second, quick question for you guys and Ed's ( I know I always have questions, rarely contribute) A while ago, there was a post about a guy in the uk who became a free citizen, went to court and relieved himself of any embodiment with the government. Can that video be reposted please?

{Ed033's Note - I am unfamiliar with the video

Vambo18 Jul 2014 14:36

Am sure this was an American in court

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Not Registered18 Jul 2014 17:58

Hi mate, not really my area but I was told to watch this guy called John harries a few months back and found it very interesting. Here is a link to one of his vids, not sure if its what you are after mind.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GMfWJW7ZCZ8

Harold

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Garbo19 Jul 2014 06:36

Good man Harold but that's not the one I was looking for, interesting all the same

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Not Registered19 Jul 2014 11:24

This link was shared a few months back, man arrested for fishing without license defends himself in court

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1rUPFXbADvE

Harold

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18 Jul 2014 12:24Discussion #9924Talk Sense

18 Jul 2014 12:11:15
On the subject of the shot down plane, it's being suggested that up to 100 leading Aids researchers were heading to a conference in Melbourne. I know a few of you think it's a coincidence with other goings on but I know others here believe Aids was created by man. So does anyone think in addition to the violence in Gaza etc that these men perhaps made a breakthrough in curing Aids and the powers that be wanted this to be silenced?

HERBIE18 Jul 2014 13:15

There already is a cure for aids, been around since the early 90's.

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Kaizer18 Jul 2014 14:18

What cure are you talking about herbie

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Not Registered18 Jul 2014 15:55

I believe there was a post on here maybe 3 months back. Patent 5??? can't remember the numbers, maybe the ed knows.
Within the cure was if I remember some sort of mercury formula.

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HERBIE18 Jul 2014 15:55

Patent US5676977.
Found it, try google.

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YoungKenny19 Jul 2014 06:36

While I agree with you, Herbie, that there is a cure for AIDs out there somewhere (I believe it's man-made so surely man can also cure it), gaining a patent for a so-called 'cure' doesn't mean it's effective or even useful.

All a patent does is confirm that a product/ compound etc. is unique.

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18 Jul 2014 12:24Discussion #2107Talk Sense

18 Jul 2014 11:20:24
I do wholeheartedly agree with the 9/11 conspiracy, and don't think there was a plane.

One of the arguments is that aluminium cannot go through steel (which is obvious ) but the counter argument is suggesting that a straw can peirce trees in high speeds.

My question is depending on how fast the 'plane' was going, would it have been able too highly damage the steel (say going 10 000 km/h (sorry live in aus, don't know mph) ) would it alter it and would aluminium be able to go though steel.

Sorry, I haven't worded it well but could anybody englighten me? Cheers

{Ed033's Note - The speed of the alleged plane that hit the 2nd tower was travelling faster that it was capable of so therefore your point is mute as there was no plane. Please take notice of the below video especially after the 19 minute mark for the evidence of no plane

Aron18 Jul 2014 12:48

18 Jul 2014 13:44:41
Yeah never thought there was a plane

Cheers for the vid, will give a watch

Thanks again

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Not Registered19 Jul 2014 17:04

It was a US drone

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17 Jul 2014 16:05Discussion #10737Talk Sense

17 Jul 2014 16:51:55
Malaysia Airlines MH17 en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam has just crashed in the Ukraine. 295 people aboard.

Ryan.

Not Registered17 Jul 2014 16:36

Looks like it was shot down by a surface to air missile. Everyone is denying responsibility.

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - Maybe they'll blame it on ISIS, Syria or Putin

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frankyscouser17 Jul 2014 16:46

Not great on geography, is that a standard route to its destination?

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frankyscouser17 Jul 2014 17:33

Apparently it is, someone retweeted a guy took a pic of that plane and joked this is our plane in case it goes missing.

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Not Registered17 Jul 2014 17:33

17 Jul 2014 18:02:42
Anyone want to say that now we know what happened to the one that disappeared.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered17 Jul 2014 17:33

Same make and model as the missing plane!

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