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Discussion #10546Talk Sense

14 Jan 2014 20:00:58
Terrifying article on the state of the oceans, is this the start of the new world order? could this be what the chemtrails and haarp have all been aiming for. This could be how they kill us all off. Seriously if this is true we are doomed as a race, and a planet.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-oceans-are-dying-rare-sea-creatures-washing-up-on-shore

 

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Thanks for the article, its pretty startling stuff. To me it seems as if, once again, the Mayans were right. The end of the fourth world isn't far off. I doubt there is much, if anything, we as a race can do about it now.

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Undeniably, we have damaged our environment to the point we have affected the natural balance.
Soil destruction, dam construction, deforestation, concreting, dumping of radioactive waste etc. are only the ones everyone would agree are detrimental to the life supporting balance of the environment.
We have done a lot more damage than that, that a lot of people are either unaware of or unable to comprehend their effects.

However, before we despair and surrender, why don't we allow human ingenuity to attempt to restore that balance?
Soil restoration is ancient practice that has evolved but is still not practiced on a large scale. Viktor Schauberger had an egg shaped machine able to charge and purify both air and water in the 1930s. Since then we have also discovered techniques that can stabilize radioactive materials so they are no longer emitting radioactivity.
We are devoting our resources and the products of our labor to rewarding the most destructive and selfish people on this planet. A tiny portion of that would allow us to repair the damage done to all of nature.
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I have not surrendered by anymeans, Zari. Nor will I. I just suspec this is not a mistake or accident, and no matter the effort put in, we are fighting a losing battle. I also suspect the Mayans knew the fourth world would be coming to an end close to Dec 21, 2012. They have rarely been wrong mate.

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Hey Melbourne CFC,
I was not suggesting that you personally surrendered. I was making a general statement. The fact that you are here with all of us, reading, thinking and expressing yourself is proof that you have not surrendered.
As for the Mayan 2012 prophecy, a lot has been said about it and many different understandings of what was implied exist. Some talk of a raise in consciousness and others of the next cataclysmic event.
Either way, I do not subscribe in a static universe theory. By that I mean that I do not believe that we are bystanders to external events. I believe in a dynamic universe where the will power of even a single human being can alter the future of our whole species.
Zari
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I don't disagree with your belief, however, the Mayans to me, have rarely been wrong or specific. They viewed the fourth world ending and fifth world beginning around Dec 2012. No specific mention of what this means. I believe we as a species control our on destiny, my worry is those that control our species. What our happening to our planet indicates the end is far closer than predicted by modern science. For us, as a species, anyway. I don't think the date of Dec 21 2012 will be more than 100 years off the end date. We may try and curtel it, but as we know, we don't make the decisions.
We are no use to those in power, unless we are submissive, and submissive is not something I view most on this page as being.
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Discussion #1991Talk Sense

14 Jan 2014 23:02:43
Please sign this petition to stop the goverment naming the August bank holiday after Margaret Thatcher.
http://epetitions. direct. gov. uk/petitions/52411
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They can call it what they like its still in her honour. Thatcher done well shutting businesses down looks like she's doing it again from the grave even if it is for a day.
I for one will not be using this holiday. I don't get holidays as they come I take them when suits me as I work in care.

For my own gain I hope it's nearer the Scottish independence referendum so it goes in favour of a yes vote
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Discussion #10545Talk Sense

14 Jan 2014 09:19:53
Quick question who believes in plant x and do they believe it will affect earth anytime soon. On the other hand who does not believe it. Would like to hear people's views as I've be reading a little bit on it and can not decide what I believe.
Thanks stevie7 x

 

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Don't know either stevie7.

I have read about Nibiru/Planet X, the supposed 10th planet with a 3600 year vertical, elliptical orbit.
How comet ison is one of the objects that precedes its coming.
About Marduk/Moloch, Anu, Enki, Enlil and their similarities with Abrahamic religions.

There is no definitive proof so I would rather not think of it as a reality. For now I keep it in mind and perhaps one day we will know.
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14 Jan 2014 13:09:38
I know not about such things, I come to learn. But to me it seems like trick to distract from something else? While everyone look one way not looking at something else? We have word maskirovka. I think this put into practice a lot. Not sure what they are hiding but some sort of deception.

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14 Jan 2014 20:12:01
call me awkward but wouldn't someone have spotted it? A dirty great planet earth size or bigger coming straight at us would have been seen by somebody. There are millions of amateur astronomers. You can't bribe them all.

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The story is always about the fall of light, and the return of the golden age of $aturn (planet x). pea
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Well on YouTube there is plenty of videos good and bad I must say. Some off them seem to have some good evidence. I had never heard off anything like this before I found this site so was hoping some one would be able to put me on to a good link about it all. Thanks Stevie7 x
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Discussion #9857Talk Sense

14 Jan 2014 00:14:24
Been reading today about the national service bill that is currently being ushered through parliament (on the quiet ). Basically it makes all 18 - 26 year olds will have to do a years service as either cannon fodder or will have to work a menial job for less than minimum wage! Looks like another way for the business men to make more profit without the social responsibilty.
Also looked into the bedroom tax loophole that frankie was talking about lower down the page. Apparently 40 thousand people were paying that shouldn't have been, unfortunately one of those people had committed suicide before it came to light. Those responsible ( ian duncan smith et al ) should be held accountable and should be made to pay for what they have done. Don't want to be british anymore!

 

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People in that age bracket better start challenging the governments authority over them.
How to guarantee the decline of future society. The recipe:
Use mandatory conscription, force the few conscientious objectors to do meaningless jobs, brainwash the rest and ship them abroad to fight for the furthering of the establishment's goals. Torture the survivors with no health care, no benefits, no prospects.
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Yeah your right mate. The whole point in it is for cheap labour.
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14 Jan 2014 13:05:52
I remember my own national service. Sergeants are such horrors. But I have good time, I learn to drive tank and to fix engines :) and ladies always like a uniform ;)

Of course is cheap labour but you had national service once, some have always wanted to bring it back. Some people think you need to solve unemployment of youth and not pay them to do nothing. Others think you import too much foreign labour. Others worry about your youth in criminal gangs. This seems to solve lot of problems.

But time has moved on, old ways no longer work. Does not seem democratic to make youth do things youth do not wish to do. Maybe England become more totalitarian?

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Your right Kim Philly, totalitarianism is exactly where this country is heading.
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I agree to Kim excellent post!
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Discussion #10544Talk Sense

13 Jan 2014 19:16:47
Ed/Posters,
I was just reading some stuff about ancient aliens and came across this. Appparantly there has been a nuclear war around 2000 b. c. (not sure about the date) in India. This can supported by finding of an ancient city irradiated with an atomin blast. Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur.
Incidently in the vedas (ancient indian texts)
there is a passage which states

"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor. it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river. "This I think clearly depicts a nuclear war.
Now in oklo, gabon refined uranium was found by the french. This shows that nuclear technology was availaible since long ago. This may suggest that our ancestors were more advanced than us but the question is Who provided them such technology?
Gomu
P. S-Sorry for the poor english. It is not my native language

 

{Ed001's Note - I have read these reports before, but, to me, they are indicative of the Maya's belief in ages of man being correct, rather than evidence of ancient aliens.}
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Ed,
Do you think this technology (atom bomob, aircrafts, etc. ) that are ancestors possessed was the reason that led to their destruction and perhaps the dark ages.
Gomu
{Ed001's Note - yes to destruction, but 100% no to the 'Dark Ages'. They were not actually dark, an era of the highest literacy rates in Europe up until the late Victorian era. The only reason they are called dark is that the Catholic Church lost control of indoctrination/education during the period. They are the ones that label it as the Dark Ages and we get taught that in our schools because the church still holds a lot of power in the indoctrination/education system we use.}
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Your are right Ed001.

The dark ages are labeled in the same way the golden age and golden century of ancient greece were.
I have heard it referred to as the slave and master reversal theme of saturnalia.
As an example, the winter solstice was an ominous period for the Mayan civilization. As sun worshipers they thought of the smallest day and longest night of the year as the day where evil spirits roamed the planet. They would not leave their houses for five days, would prepare their food and collect their water before hand and would avoid making any sound.

Compare that with the modern behavior of celebrating darkness and hurting nature (christma's tree cutting) and one can notice the saturnian practice I was referring to.
Rather than celebrating the balance of the equinoxes as nature does (spring and autumn) or even the summer solstice (sun appreciation) when the day is the longest and night is the shortest it will be all year, we are indoctrinated into worshiping darkness.
In the eyes of the establishment what we perceive as darkness is light and their darkness is our light.

Trying to put that in perspective I offer a hypothesis.
We descent from the source and enter our bodies to have this three dimensional experience, while always remaining connected with the source.
They ascend from the pit, posses bodies and continue to live in darkness as they are unaware of the source.
Or perhaps their ass is on their face and their face on their ass. Thus they are always facing the other way around.
Zari
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Here is a link to ancient discoveries that show some of the tech we had and lost

http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=75
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Thank you for the link KVOHV.
The electric universe principle could be used to explain the spheres mentioned in that link. Ed033 placed a link to aspects of it further up the page.
The rest can be explained by the multiple civilizations/reoccurring cataclysms theory.
Zari
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Thanks Zari yes I read about the electric universe theory which could definitely explain the spheres they are very weird the grooves on them they look like cricket balls made of stone. The Dropa stones/discs are very interesting too supposedly micro hieroglyphics telling of spaceships crash landing in Chinese mountains. The Ica stones interesting but has been called a hoax. The Baghdad battery from Babylonian times. What looks like a modern spark plug fossil encrusted in rock 500. 000 years old. There is so much history we have yet to learn that may have been kept away from us because of religion used to burn stuff that didn't correspond to their history.
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Discussion #10543Talk Sense

13 Jan 2014 11:10:15
Reading the thread further down the page between RR, frankyscouser and you ed001, was very interesting regarding has Alien contact been made. Personally I believe so, but that's simply my own opinion.

For anyone who is wanting to see the video of the former Canadian defence minister disclosing the existence of aliens I'll put the link in below.

Again it is very difficult to know whether this man is being genuine or simply spreading disinformation. Interested to know what you guys think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Q20RKx_bU

KiwiRed

 

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I have the same feeling as you kiwired the 360 uturn he does seems pretty strange!
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I've always been sceptical myself, until recent times, that is. Haven't done any research into Roswell etc. but after watching the John Lear interview Ed033 provided as well as the bloke from The Sixteen, I've certainly become a believer that contact of some sort has been made.

Knowing you, also KR, leads me to believe they live among us. i'm fairly confident Ed002/001 are both far from human also ;-)

In all seriousness though, how could it come as a surprise to anyone. The amount of lies we're told, and the vast amounts of historical bs taught in schools, in my eyes points to a huge coverup and brainwashing exercise to make the masses believe, from a young age, that aliens are almost like fairys and leprecauns.

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It's just so difficult to know who is telling the truth and who is simply spreading disinformation to throw you more off the scent than before, franky.

What makes it even harder is that generally the people who bullsh*t sprinkle in some truth to make it more believable.

This guy could be spot on, but personally I'm a little sceptical.

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frankyscouser
So much disinformation out there I think there is about 75% bs the rest can not be explained, I am a firm believer that they have always been here.
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RR!
It's a tough subject to comprehend! One hand you have all these high ranking officials making statements it's true! On the other hand you know the government throws out disinformation to put you off! Me personally I think there has definitely been contact! I totally believe reverse engineering has occurred on E. T spacecraft! We discussed the other day what is believed they took from the crash at Roswell! Although Tesla was way ahead of his age in technological advances! I don't think he was at the point where he was designing Kevlar, fibre optics and the so called special repulsion system that was reverse engineered!
{Ed001's Note - fibre optics were mooted long before 1947. Kevlar? Seriously? You are really going to claim that was reverse engineered even though there was a clear development of it? There are thousands of different materials developed every year, what on earth gives anyone the idea that Kevlar has to be reverse engineered? As for 'special repulsion system' what on earth is that?}
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Discussion #10542Talk Sense

13 Jan 2014 05:14:16
Just watching batman 'the dark night rises' and notices the sandy hook thing. And also martial law. Any more conspiracies from the batman series or other films?

Aron

 

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Watching Fast Five last night (brillant movie) the drug lord Reyes is talking about how to control people saying being ruthless doesn't work as they would fight back as they have nothing to loose, so he gave them things like schools running water and electricity etc to loose so they can't fight back.
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What was the Sandy Hook Thing? I'd like to think there would be Martial Law if someone like Bane was tearing up my City blowing up football grounds & such lol. You've got me thinking about other links in the movies I'm trying to think as I am a huge fan. There's is the mass Surveilance in Dark Knight.

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Someone put on a list of Conspiracy Films before when I mentioned Capricorn one (excellent but old) maybe I can tempt them back out with this so I can have a look at them never got round too it last time. There's plenty of wee silly things out into Films that can go down as either "conspiracy" or "coincidence" I can't think of them all right now but 2012, the day the earth stood still, The matrix have plenty wee signs in them. Does anyone know the film that Paul Walker was in about Masonry I can't remember the name
I'd like to see that? You know I have a sick sense of humour so I enjoy a bit of South Park I take my Hats off to them they can subtly get the MSG out there to people about things that happen in the world but still take the piss at the same time and make it out that there not serious. I'm pretty sure the Writers are "Conspiracy Theorists" if you like and the wonder of South Park is no topics safe. Last season there the Zimmerman/ Treyvon Martin Case & there was a NSA sort of Edward Snowden linked ep. If you look past the sick Humour & Stupidity there's some excellent wee snippets of info well put that could be just what it takes to wake some people up to the real world.

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13 Jan 2014 18:55:55
RM8 there's a bit in the film where you can see Sandy Hook marked on a map, I think its one of the Jim Gordon bits about half way through, I need to have another look to find the exact place, but it was really weird watching it after the Sandy Hook stuff went on.

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Thanks Mort il check it out. I've just noticed on the front of my National Treasure DVD is an all seeing eye on top of a pyramid plain as day. I think il need to watch it again for symbolism since it's Disney & would be an easy film to put it in along with the plot I've not saw it for a while so I don't remember such things although at the time I wasn't looking.

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Discussion #9073Talk Sense

13 Jan 2014 00:28:23
Labels?nah I just need to know I am chatting to the same person, I am sorry that you feel like this is your last post, plenty and plenty of people do not agree with what I have to say you won't be the first definitely not the last! Some of the points you made were valid but even if it's one suicide is that right to slash the welfare budget? I have read your all the replies of your posts and not one of them has criticized the people in power not one of them has criticized the bankers and money grabbing corporations who pay a fraction of tax that the rest of us would have to pay, I find it strange that you have gone for the jugular f the weakest!

 

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Frankly you are so right, so many people are quick to blame an easy target, the easiest being the ones who generally can't stand or speak up for them selves. The poor are always who the government target, after all it's easier to blame them, than the leader of a political group, or people who have a grip on society in general, as they are the ones who control this illusion. The media constantly shifts anger and manipulates emotions to its own benefits, and people must realise this. If a single mother who needs a home and money to feed her child, without having to scrape a living whilst leaving her child with a unstable upbringing, then surely that is what we pay tax for, so that people less fortunate than us don't have to suffer. Surely that is what a "civilisation" actually means. Ultimately that is what the establishment want though as all that produces is unstable adults who they can persecute and manipulate easily. "An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern"- Tony Benn
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13 Jan 2014 13:09:48
Frankyscouser I did add to that regards the capitalist exploiters. Of course we should all be very angry. I may have been too harsh in my words, but it is another system of control and one put in place by a nominally socialist party! Of course your conservative party will try to remove it, tools of the bankers that they are. And attempts to strip it from the very weakest must be resisted. But the English will not revolt, not for anything meaningful, when was the last English revolt?

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Kim Philby,
The absence of partitioning justice is not a polarized conflict between conservatives and socialists (capitalists and communists). The cold war is over and we can no longer be bound by dualistic paradigms.
The politics industry serves the establishment and no person in a position of power echoes the peoples voice nor promotes solutions that benefit the people in the long run.
Their microscopic, conditional and pretend ideologies, which are nothing more but propagandistic labels, exist solely to divide the people and keep their logic captive.

People should read and understand the etymology of the labels they are using, as that empowers one to realize that most of them have no relation whatsoever with their modern day namesakes.
The establishment promotes its agenda by creating arguments which are fought between impersonators of authority and impersonators of rebels. The outcome of these simulated conflicts is always one of their design.
After all our work and achieved progress the vast majority of the population is barely scraping by. This is unacceptable and inexcusable.

As for an English revolution, don't forget that those in the eye of the hurricane only experience sunshine.
As the hurricanes center relocates everyone could be in for a surprise.
Judging from current events I would say the English are well equipped and more than capable to topple the local part of the establishment. As long as they rid themselves from notions of oligarchy that is.
Zari
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The last time the English went to the streets on mass was in the 1980s I was 11 or 12 and we lived in the heart of it (toxteth) it was pretty when I think back watching baton charges and tear gas by the police and seeing petrol bombing and fires all over the area, the reasons for the surprise was mass unemployment and police brutality plus race hate by the establishment (deja vu?) things will have to get a he'll of a lot worse all over the country not just the poorest cites and in a macabre way I hope that day comes as democracy does not work.
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Hey Franky,
Democracy is a synthetic word, from Demos and Kratos. Demos translates to the people of a country and Kratos to power.
Democracy means power to the people.
There is currently no country in the world using a democratic system and there hasn't been one since ancient greece.

Modern labels such as democratic republic, social democracy, representative democracy etc. are means through which the establishment limits people's imagination and logic.
Of course such practices are not complete without the necessary overcomplication of simple matters, that urge people to feel powerless and unable to decide for themselves.
It appears humans have such intensity in their attempt to improve themselves (a rebellious nature) that a vast web of illusions is necessary to even fail to subjugate them.
Zari
{Ed033's Note - What most people don't know is that within the legal system they use another language called legalese. So when communicating with anyone working as an employee within UK [PLC] (or whatever the corporation is that took over), whether they know it or not, they're probably communicating to you in legalese where their definition of a word is different to yours.
Legal and lawful are not synonymous.
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Discussion #9580Talk Sense

13 Jan 2014 00:08:02
anyone have any Irish related conspiracies or anything intriguing or intersting people have heard as regards goings on in Ireland?
Thanks
Jack!

 

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Depends what your looking for you have the ones from other countries ie. chemtrails/contrails corrupt government, vaccines or natural ones such as lake monsters, mountain men, leprechauns, fairies
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Potato famine was caused by the elite as Ireland was a very confident and hard to control country, and due to Irish descendants in America, they knew how hard Irish people were to control. Ireland has never been the same since.

Also what is happening now is they are leaving you lot skint, taking all your land and fishing rights. All this just so they can class themselves as separate from UK. Although separating was a good intention, it was always going to be the case that use wouldn't benefit from it.

Soz about the long post lol. Just pisses me off because I like the Irish. Girls are gorgeous and the patter and parties are top class.

Also - use need to end the obsession with Americans. YouTube the Irish girl in parliament and watch the bad reaction she gets for calling Obama a war criminal. Unbelievable man.
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On the behalf of Ireland thanks for the complements, the Irish famine is interesting alright although I think it was more of a case of taking advantage of a bad situation. With all these taxes coming in water charge and property tax I'm fairly sure that's against our civil rights for free water and free roof over our heads.
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Discussion #12245Talk Sense

12 Jan 2014 23:38:26
Another thing about Roswell that has always mystified me. If there was a alien crash then why would Colonel Blanchard issue the press release of a recovered disc in the first place only to retract it soon after? With the cold war in its early days the need to keep anything secret is obvious but why this admittance about a saucer retrieval at all? It might make a bit of sense there wasnt a saucer retrieval and they wanted to try and make out that they were now in the possession of uber technology. Now I must admit I am on the side of the crash but I just cannot understand if this was so why a Colonel would order the press release of this statement, any thoughts?

 

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13 Jan 2014 00:24:20
Disc yes, alien no. Captured Nazi technology. The Colonel was an person and had to retract it. CIA did not want Moscow to know they had Nazi discs. Moscow already knew. Moscow had their own Nazi discs. Moscow knew most CIA secrets. Why do you think they were the first people to get into the Soviet state archives when they were opened by their puppet Yeltsin? Why do you think certain files disappeared? Kim Philby
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Thanks for reply anon, appreciated. Sorry can't have that either. The Colonel was a person! He is also supposed to be a experienced professional high ranking official knowing when and when not to make any ground shaking press releases. The disc was Nazi? Well yes the nazi's had discs but what about the testimony of numerous witnesses (a lot of high ranking witnesses) about the material, little bodies with reptile like skin etc. Also if the nazi disc theory is true then why is this still supressed and why hasn't this "true account" been released as the real reason after all these years and not some lame balloon theory they still stand by?
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Hey VincentV,
DNA was discovered in the 1870s so would it be preposterous to assume that genetic experiments had produced results by the 1940s?
Also, the military still uses the national security excuse to withhold information from the public. Why would you expect them to have a change of heart and share their toys with the public?
After reading Tesla's and Schauberger's research I am convinced that we had anti-gravitic technology by the 1930s.
Zari
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13 Jan 2014 18:21:03
Zari this is correct, both sides conducted research into anti gravity technology. I suspect it still goes on, certainly America still does.

The American colonel was unwise to be so open with journalists. A soviet officer would not have made a mistake which would then have needed such a big cover up.

Given the timing and location it is a far more logical assumption that it was captured wartime technology.

The alien cover story took root in public consciousness and proved a good distraction away from the reality.

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Kim, what if the colonel's statement was part of the cover up? Americans do seem to opt for logic stretching disinformation.
In claiming that it was extraterrestrial, plus what they have added since then, they indoctrinated people in believing that such advancement could not be achieved by man.
The result, 70 years later and one cannot hold a serious discussion on unity field energy devices and anti-gravitic (higher dimensional) technology.
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Discussion #9072Talk Sense

12 Jan 2014 23:27:24
Watching in the name of the father movie about the Guilford bombing in the 1970s it still shocking watching it now, uncanny parallels with Hillsborough and the cover-up.

 

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Not to forget the Maguire Seven, and the Birmingham Six, Franky. All stitch up jobs. Just like Hillsborough.

Have you ever done any research on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974?

Ryan.
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frankyscouser
No not proper research Ryan just fleeting snippets, have you mate?
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I don't know if the Eds will allow this Franky, but I was in Dublin that day and I heard three car bombs go off in quick succession. They killed 26 people, and maimed and injured hundreds. I have always believed that the British army was responsible and I am not alone in thinking that. The UVF was blamed and still is, but that is a bit like saying OBL was responsible for 911.

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frankyscouser
Interesting post mate this week I will look into that, I would not surprised at all if they did plant it on the ira, I find it very hard to trust the government if they said it was going to be warm out I would bring a sheepskin coat with me, off to bed now but will check that out.
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Discussion #10541Talk Sense

12 Jan 2014 13:57:11
Ed what do you make of the Apollo 20 mission and the ancient pilot and airport structure, gold and massive ship

 

{Ed033's Note - That alleged ET female looks fake imo but who knows?
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12 Jan 2014 21:27:48
What about the rest of it? The structures, gold, ship and nazi base?
{Ed033's Note - it could be part of a sci-fi film someone made somewhre for some reason. What's your opinion?
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12 Jan 2014 22:44:32
Not overly sure it looked too big to hide from people so probably not real or something from a film like you said. I've only just come across the info so not sure to make of it unless theirs more I don't know
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I thought they stopped at Apollo 17, or did I miss something?

Mort
{Ed002's Note - 17 or 18 depending how you count. 20 was cut.}
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