15 Sep 2013 23:00:18
here a theory for you then. how do you know that terrorists did attack the trade centre with a plane knowing people like us would start to question our own governments in the hope that if enough of us believe it we will turn against our own goverments. saves them doing it. reverse psycology.
{Ed001's Note - except that the evidence says that a plane did not do the damage, so you would be suggesting that the terrorists had a whole, huge organised network. A network that stood down the air defences of the whole country, a network that could plant demolition charges on the towers ready to bring them down when the plane hit them. As the planes themselves could not have done so. If the terrorists are capable of such a huge wideranging deception as you, quite bizarrely postulate, then the rest of the world has already lost.}
Why do you assume the terrorists don't have a huge network or don't get help from other nations. maybe western propaganda has led you to believe that only the western powers have the numbers, intelligence and technology to do such things. just a thought.
{Ed001's Note - I don't assume anything, I was just pointing out that, if they could possibly have the entire air defence network of the USA switched off for a day, then they had already won. That is not something you can just ask some junior clerk to organise, that takes people right at the top of the tree in the military. Perhaps you don't quite understand the suggestion you are putting forward, nor what it would take to do. The kind of network you are talking about would need to involve generals and the like, to be able to wield the power that was shown that day. Like I said, you are suggesting the terrorists are in charge, which isn't that different from the government organising it, just a lot less likely.......}
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Ok ed in fairness you do make a valid point. I was just playing devils advocate. its just that the more I start to question what is supposed to be the defacto truth I tend to find it doesn't stop. before you know it a feesable conspiriacy theory then gets deeper and deeper. the possibilities are endless. conception and misconception. information and misinformation. trust disintegrates and you start to question everything.
{Ed001's Note - no harm in questioning anything, it is a good thing doing that. I am of the opinion that we should never believe in anything too firmly, always be ready to change our mind when someone shows us why our current beliefs are wrong. Only by discussing them can we discover new ideas and compare them with our own. Like I said though, the only thing that seems to be correct with 9/11 is that a plane did not bring down the towers. A plane may well have hit them, that is difficult to be sure of, as they did such a good job of destroying evidence (except for paperwork pertaining to those they want to point the finger at!) by demolishing the towers so thoroughly. No matter though, because the plane wouldn't have done so much damage, and it doesn't change all the oddities surrounding how a plane would have been able to do so anyway. The whole thing stinks, really stinks, whether it was just people sitting by and doing nothing or people actively involved in aiding and abetting, there are people in power who are to blame for the whole thing. If you sit by and do nothing, while innocent people die, knowing you could stop it, then you are as guilty as those involved.}
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16 Sep 2013 13:37:38
Exactly Ed it would take the same sort of network that left their own commander in chief exposed in Dallas. Standing down defences etc takes only a few key people. Mort
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16 Sep 2013 16:07:24
Trust rusts, OP.
The best sentence i've heard describing the events of 9/11 was that it was "an inside job for outside influences".
Vague as that may be, I feel it paints the most accurate picture of those atrocities. pea
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One thing I have noticed that is happening a lot more is the disinformation being put out there its getting harder to separate the wheat from the chaff, early on you had many debunkers whose arguments were laughable on subjects like 911 77 jfk etc and since that tactic was failing miserably and it pondered more questions than answers their has been a steady increase of rubbish put out there to steer you away from the real truth, all the events that has happened in say the last fifty years prove to me one thing above all, never ever trust what authority is telling you and as Chris carter famously wrote "trust no one "
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15 Sep 2013 13:42:45
If people want a documentary on the financial crisis watch Inside Job narrated by Matt Damon. Quite interesting. Mort
Good shout mort seen it a few months ago.
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16 Sep 2013 13:40:09
I suggested it back then as well. Thought I'd suggest it again though. Mort
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15 Sep 2013 10:37:46
Shouldn't Obam get done for treason if he aids Al Qaeda in Syria?
15 Sep 2013 13:45:00
He only does as his masters tell him. He's only a puppet like Kermit or Sooty. Mort
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Shouldn't the whole administration get done for ordering and carrying out the invasion of peoples privacy, for defrauding people by forcing them to pay income tax, for granting charters to companies without the peoples best interests at heart, for corruption in accepting ludicrous amounts of money as campaign contributions, for treason in deploying the national guard inside the country, for war crimes in invading countries without congressional approval, for abuse of station in helping international companies get away with murder and using the police to suppress peoples protests.
They are all criminals but somehow I do not think we can get them to prosecute themselves.
Zari
{Ed001's Note - the USA will not sign any convention that allows the UN to prosecute them or their armed forces for war crimes. That to me makes their actions premeditated.}
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Exactly Ed001. The people setting the rules and those enforcing them are not bound by the rules, except for when cosmetic purposes require it. Right now the USA is playing global enforcer.
Whoever follows, and someone always does, will pick up exactly where they leave off.
Zari
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15 Sep 2013 01:31:15
Just watched White House Down and Olympus Has Fallen both films the white house gets destroyed and they try using norad is this warnings of what's to come?
{Ed033's Note -
The elitists have a religion, whereby they have to somehow let you know what they are going to do before they do it, so there is a possibility they might use a 'holy wood' film to convey what they are going to do.
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Its just a wee bit strange the 2 films come out at the same time and are almost the same.
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When the movie Armageddon came out there was another similar film called Deep Impact that was released at the same time. As it turns out, there was a NASA experiment taking place at that time going by the same name. The mission involved hitting a passing comet with a negatively charged craft and provided evidence for the electric universe theory.
I did try to find a connection at the time, as I do not believe in coincidences, but found nothing conclusive. The production studios of both films had interesting names but that is as far as I got.
Zari
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Its possible that whoever wrote the script may have sent it to two studios who then put it into production, then realised too late they had the same film but went ahead with it hoping one was better than the other.
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Hey Ed033, could you share some more info on their religion?
Zari
{Ed033's Note - One of the reasons they tell us that they are going to do something before they do it, is because they believe they get some sort of 'magical power' from telling us.
Another part of their religion is the "as above, so below" doctrine. This is where what happens in the 'heavens', happens on the ground. An example of this is where they want to attack a country, they would announce/'start' the attack when one of the belt stars of Orion (associated with Osiris, god of the dead) is directly in line with the place to be attacked on Earth but is at 19.47 or 33 degrees below (below meaning death) the horizon.
Another example would be that in 2025 the 'heavens' will in their most war-like state, astrologically speaking for quite a while to come so if (and only if) they decide to start the thermo-nuclear bombing part of WW3, that would be their preferred year.
Obviously their religion is highly ritual and not only do they take part in rituals, they also make everything they do as ritualised as they can which not only includes symbology, numerology and astrology but also the colour of clothes they wear each day. It's about doing certain things on certain days and even at a particular times of the day.
They also love prophesy so much that they will actually try and make interpretations of nonsense like Nostradamus into reality.
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15 Sep 2013 00:36:37
9/11 drone / military plane flown into 2nd tower
http://youtu.be/xsmc_rS2jOo
Rip to all the people who lost there live on the year of 2001 September 11. My heart and soul goes to all the families and freinds
Ed, I've looked at what you've said on here, and I support the theory of a military plane crashing into the building, as a plot, and the building to be rigged with explosives. That's my theory, it's quite self-explanatory, the holophram theory is also strong in my eyes.
But I have a question, why would the government do this? I've heard many things such as for money of insurance to making the government sound big, what are your veiws on the matter?
Cheers buddy
Aron
{Ed001's Note - the same reason they initially came up with the plan in the 1950s, though then they were thinking of blaming the commies. It is simply a good way of getting through measures to take away people's civil liberties, because now you get accused of helping terrorists if you want any kind of civil rights. Let's face it, can you imagine if they hadn't done this and the recent revelations regarding how they read everything we do online had come to light? Right now, they cloak it in nonsense about how they are just looking for terrorist activity. But how do we know that is all they use it for? I mean if you want someone to support your bill for increased spying budgets, you would just go check out what they do online and read their texts etc until you find something to leverage them with. Then you have them under your control too.}
{Ed033's Note -
Aron, firstly read, Dr Judy Wood's book.
The twin towers could not be allowed to hit the ground, otherwise they would have cracked the 'bathtub' that the twin towers were standing in and then Manhattan would have been flooded. This is why they used the black technology energy beams to turn the towers and steel internal frame to dust. The seismic data shows only a small part of the towers actually hit the ground.
Whoever carried out the 9/11 attacks had that black technology. Al Qaeada does not have this technology and neither does the regular military/regular government. So imo, it was the 'secret government' that must have carried out the attack.
There were multiple reasons for the attack and we probably don't know most of them such as lots of records being conveniently 'disappeared' by saying the records were lost in the towers. Possibly stealing of gold that was being kept in the towers somewhere like the basement.
IMO, the main reason was to forward the total control agenda against the people with lunatic legislation that nobody would go along with. Massive funds were released to forward this agenda. i. e. fusion centres where all data about everyone is put together. The People went along with all this control and then people got the TSA in airports that is being expanded to all public places, where every bit of everyone gets checked like in some nightmare future police state movie.
It also gave the excuse to go to war with any country in the world by saying there are terrorists there with the agenda to take over and steal that countries natural resources.
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15 Sep 2013 03:00:25
Wow, thank you ed001 and ed033, ed033, you have reccomended judy woods book on many occasions, and my favourite topic is 9/11, I'll be sure to check it out. Thanks guys, it was a very sad day, and I'm with you with the 'secret government', do you reckon illuminati or something similar mate? Or it could be the explosives, the holophram and secret government is my guess, you guys are very well educated haha
Cheers
Aron
{Ed033's Note - I don't know what the 'secret government' comprises, only that it exists.
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9/11 was a crime scene so in any other crime you need motive, now since 9/11 and 7/7 what has changed? well take your pick! this act was not to solely invade the middle east, our liberties are vanishing plus their is a clear agenda on a race divide, I read somewhere that on the day of the 9/11 attacks some legislation was passed threw without any news, so in my opinion it was like a famous saying "kill two birds with one stone"
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How do u know that it exists? Where is the proof, prof of this and black tech? Actual proof. Not some lame YouTube vid of an 'ex scientist working for NASA during the 60s'
GBI
{Ed001's Note - so there is plenty of proof that 9/11 did not happen how it was claimed, but that isn't good enough for you? You now want people to prove what did happen, when the whole point is that we are only putting forward a few theories that could explain what did happen, when the lies in the media do not explain what did happen. You can prove or disprove almost anything, but it doesn't mean it is the truth, that is why our understanding of the universe changes on a daily basis. Science is purely theory, there is no 'proof', just theories that best fit, which you accept as facts. So why are you now asking us to prove our theories? Intelligent people can see theories for what they are, then make their own decision based on whether they are true or not. You seem to be a sheep, that wants the decision made for them.}
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14 Sep 2013 23:47:47
Honestly. All this talk of nwo is really wearing thin, if you really think about it they would have took control of us when we were at our most vulnerable, September 11 or during the recession. I honestly think it's bogus
15 Sep 2013 11:20:40
Look at the legislation passed by Bush right after. That was them taking control. Look at the laws Blair passed afterwards as well, and again after the tube bombs. Look at the war we been involved in for twelve years. Who benefitted from that? Not the quarter of million or so who ended up dead. The arms companies did well. The oil companies did well. Look at who sits on the boards of these companies. Cough Rumsfeld cough. Look at what happened in the recession. Wages froze and fell, tax rose, and its not worth saving, but the banks carried on as they were. They did take control and have been tightening their grip since. Mort
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I think the point they're making is that NWO have had us under control for centuries, the laws they have now are the same as medieval times i. e. medieval times they had crusades as an excuse to go into the middles east and slaughter people on grounds of heresy and blasphemy and steal their gold and treasure, now the "west" go into the east on grounds that terrorists are there.
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Can edd 33 explain to me how he knows for certain that "black technology" was used to bring down the towers.
Surely if a weapon that could do that sort of damage existed why hasn't it been used in any conflict?
Marky Mark
{Ed033's Note - How many times do I have to say, read Dr. Judy Wood's book, Where Did The Towers Go. All the proof of Black Technology being used is in that book.
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14 Sep 2013 23:29:58
My reply to the 9/11 post,
You say the buildings were meant to withstand planes yeah, we'll they was, but not massive jumbo jets that are built these days, and you said why did the building fall down so fast, because the fuel on the plane, the fuel, it wa planes
And secondly, answer me this, why would they go to all this trouble of planting explosives or making a holophram, why couldn't they themselves fly a jet into the plane?
Gobblemaster
{Ed001's Note - actually they were not hit by jumbo jets, they were within the size range and travelling within the speed range that the building were designed to withstand. They were also built to withstand the heat of the fuel burning. Your points are just clueless and are pure ignorance. Instead of regurgitating media lies, why don't you take the time to do your own research? Then you would find that a plane could not possibly have done it, nor could 2 or 3 planes, unless they were packed with high explosives, which none of them were.
Whether it was a hologram they used or just flew planes into buildings rigged to blow and then blew them, is the main question.}
15 Sep 2013 08:37:09
Talk about feeding the troll, right then gobblemaster if a plane hit the Pentagon, where is the wreck? Where is the video footage?
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He makes a point. Because we all have seen the video, a plane hits the building and it falls. Is that so hard to believe? Or do u just make it so?
GBI
{Ed001's Note - ah well if you are that gullible, perhaps you believe wrestling is real too? After all, I have seen a video of that, so that must make it so, right? I mean I have seen videos done by the Nazis of a Polish attack on their border posts, which were the excuse for invading, that must be true too right? I have seen videos done by them during the war, that we now call propaganda films, but as they are a video you must believe them. You really are wasting everyone's time on here. You just want to be obnoxious and blinkered, you don't want to consider the possibilities, just be a total knob. Sad that some people are so lacking in any kind of open mind.}
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I got to say I've watched many 9/11 progremmes, videos etc heard plenty of theories and I just don't buy any of it. I don't accept that any western government would intentionally kill thousands of innocent people for an excuse to start a war. I accept that they may have had intelligence warning them something may happen I still find it odd once they knew the planes were highjacked that they didn't just shoot them down. but holograms? haarp (spelling?) technology? etc. really? just as some people find it ignorant that someone believe it was terrorists in aeroplanes some would find it strange that some people really believe in some frankly outlandish conspiriacy theories too.
in 2000 there was meant to be havoc because of the millenium bug? NOTHING. the world was meant to end in 2012? NOTHING. world war 3 is just round the corner? well i'm not a betting man but i'd guess we will still be here a year from now waiting for it to happen.
{Ed001's Note - actually the millenium bug was mainstream media talking crap, not really a conspiracy theory as we think of them. The 2012 thing was just nonsense, just a few loons being talked up by the mainstream media, again. Neither are in any way relevant to what happened on 9/11. I think a better example you could have used, to illustrate your point, would have been any of thousands of attacks allowed to get through during the Second World War that could have been stopped. Coventry's firebombing, for example, was known about in plenty of time, but the govt decided not to act in case Germany realised that they had cracked the Enigma machine's codes. Now that would be similar, in that both govts stood aside and let thousands die.
Not really the same in any other way though, that was the middle of a war, when revealing knowledge of an event would have revealed the source of that knowledge. On 9/11 there were hundreds of warnings given in advance that could have been acted on without revealing a source.}
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16 Sep 2013 17:13:55
Ed correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Microsoft make a killing off the Millennium bug selling upgrade patches? Mort
{Ed002's Note - I am sure I would remember if they were selling patches.}
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14 Sep 2013 23:18:13
{Ed033's Note - 9/11 In 5 Minutes - video by James Corbett
Great video ed short and sweet
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14 Sep 2013 11:14:17
I see people talking about how the NWO is supposed to be this organisation taking control of the world, long story short they sound the same as the Old World Order threatening people trying to rule the world etc, now if you think about it if the OWO are still in control they're going to use propaganda to make the NWO sound bad i. e. all the films based in the future have dictatorships etc etc. Basically the NWO could be better just my opinion then again they could be worse.
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14 Sep 2013 00:27:33
Can someone tell me why people think 9/11 was a plot and that it was a missile with a holophram or something, it was Osama bin laden flying a plane into a building, that's all, no conspiracies. Tell me some proof why this isn't true, one reason and proof why it wasn't a plane, then tell me why it was a missile or something
Thx
Gobblemaster
{Ed033's Note - I guess you selectively read stuff on this page and you believe anything the mainstream media tells you.
If you're interested in 9/11, instead of asking for proof on 9/11 related stuff, you have to do 1 of 2 things for an over-abundance of proof that the official story is bogus.
Either read Dr. Judy Wood's book 'Where did the towers go' or
go to http://richplanet.net/starship.php and watch all the Andrew Johnson and Dr. Judy Wood video interviews about 9/11
Gobblemaster, how did you even find this site mate it seems you wouldn't dare question what the media tells you! Anyway I found the 'Loose Change' documentaries very interesting as well. There is so much proof out there it's frightening. I mean how the powers that be get away with such lies is beyond me despite the amount of evidence! I guess the fact they own and control the media who in turn control small minded people who can't think for themselves helps them get away from being caught! Love this site btw guys I'm always checking it out. Keep up the good work all contributors!
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Maybe you're just being a bit tongue in cheek saying it was Osama Bin Laden, and if so fair enough.
But just in case you're genuinely curious about what really happened that day, watch September Clues & September Clues Addendum, by Simon Shack. They're both available online. They're probably the most comprehensive documentaries on the no plane theory available, along with the Judy Wood book and interviews.
Study the evidence. The 'no plane' theory sounds absurd at first, but if there were no planes in Shanksville, and at the Pentagon, it's not unreasonable to at least consider the evidence for no planes at the WTC 1 & 2.
According to Shack, there was a 17-second delay between the attacks and the screening of the footage, long enough for passenger planes to be inserted into the film. He reveals technical glitches in the footage of the jets hitting the towers.
Various shots from both the TV footage and alleged 'amateur cameramen' show United Airlines Flight 175
disappearing into the South structure like a ghost.
If you study the footage of the so called 2nd plane strike, you have to ask yourself how can an alleged plane hit a massive building and scythe straight through it and the nose cone comes out the other side of the building completely intact? Through 208 feet of steel and concrete and keep it's shape?
But if you want to believe it was Bin Laden, then you must believe that Satam Al Suqamis passport really survived a blast that melted a commercial jet and reduced a skyscraper to dust, and was miraculously found intact nearby. Maybe YOU could prove how that can happen?
You might also want to believe that it was mere coincidence that NORAD was running a drill of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and the Pentagon on the morning of 911.
You might also want to explain how WTC7 fell in 6. 9 seconds (virtually freefall speed) despite not being hit by an aircraft. Larry Silverstein (the recent buyer of the WTC) is on the record as saying 'we made the decision to pull tower 7'. So did they just stroll into tower 7 with explosives while all around them towers 1 & 2 were exploding? And then set the charges in a matter of hours, when demolition experts say this job take weeks?
Maybe you can also explain why the WTC complex was completely shut down for 3 days only three weeks before 911 allegedly to install internet cables?
Why not offer us some proof of your theory if you're so sure?
Ryan.
{Ed001's Note - more importantly, if anyone could explain why towers that are specifically designed to deal with a plane strike, as all high buildings in New York have to be, were so easily destroyed by planes hitting them? In fact, the damage is so extensive that it destroys a nearby tower that wasn't hit, or even claimed to have been hit. That seems to be something that deserves an explanation and/or proof.}
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I am sorry but watched the september clues films and there is nothing there apart from somebody trying to convince people that it was a hoax.
I have no doubt that the american government knew there was going to be an attack but if you think that no planes crashed into the towers you are seriously deluded.
Marky Mark
{Ed033's Note - it turns out that september clues was rubbish, so what. Dr Judy Wood's book, 'where did the towers go' is not rubbish, why not read that book?
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13 Sep 2013 23:06:25
i recommend going on YouTube and watching The artist taxi driver News, he is a top feller who speaks sense on everything, I have been watching him for a few years he is a taster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZNJJlYi3qM
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13 Sep 2013 11:40:52
Just got back from my hols a week ago and felt the need to post on my visit to Disney land, florida. My wife and kids particularly wanted to go there and it's difficult for me to say to them lokk at that symbol blah, blah. Since coming on this site and learning about what is potentially going on I could'nt help but see some things there in a different light. They've wasted not time in their purchase of Lucas/star wars to now have very obvious pyramid symbolism with their new "star tours" area/ride. Can anyone say if George Lucas had any links regarding the star wars movies or is this something new since its been taken under disneys wing as I've never noticed it before. I also re-thought about the whole "monsters inc" film which was one of my favourite animated children films. Consider 2 male "monsters" one with horns the other with 1 eye getting emotionally attached to a young female child after the child learns that's it's ok to go through different "doors".
They then are reluctant to hand the child back all the while this child is lead to believe she is in a very safe environment. I have started to think there is a very dark undertone to the film which is a shame. Not to mention the big letter M with a single eye on it. M being a significant letter to some as it's the 13th in the alphabet maybe as significant as the M in mcdonalds whose owner had shadowy links. Does anybody remember when monsters inc came out as I think it would have still been just Pixar. Did Pixar have some shadowy links to anyone previously? Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this about this particular film? I haven't seen the new one but I know my kids have but at the same time it's almost impossible for me to subtly suggest it may not be a good film to watch.
Not to mention then going to Kennedy space centre and learning that they are developing a new launch system called SLS which should be able to transport something not only into space and say the moon but also to another destination or 2 after that which then got me thinking about the potential for a breakaway civilisation. It's being developed by none other that Lockeed who if I'm right in thinking have a clear (well to me now anyway) freemasonry or pentagram logo depending on how you look at it. Don't get me wrong I still had a great time doing other stuff and being with the family but felt myself analysing a lot of the details. Sometimes it would be easier to be ignorant and not know what you see.
Going back to Disney, it must be owned by so many different shareholders that how is there potentially someone within the organisation still potentially putting these things in films and logo's? Who would it be? Sorry for the slightly rambling post but feeling a bit hungover and wanted to get it out my system as it's a bit tricky to talk to the wife in depth sometimes about this sort of thing.
Yeah mate you see things in a different light and their is more questions than answers, who owns it Disneyland and everything?shareholders /corporation in other words no one knows, I am still trying to find out who gained from the global crash, anyways budd as long as you and family had a good time.
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Sorry my main point though was the more I think about the film monsters inc the more it has a peadophile or even satanic undertone to it.
Apparently although maybe by coincidence the big clock above them when all the monsters walk out in a scene which I think is mimicking the Armageddon movie? (Not sure) the clock is reading 9:11. This film was made a little while befoe, someone just teasing us or just coincidence. Just added that as it all links in nicely with the anniversary a couple of days ago.
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Think of Hollywood as propaganda spewing HQ, anyone working there is definitely on with the plan. It would be impossible to have all the symbolism injected into a movie post-production without anyone finding out about it.
Star Wars is filled with propaganda as much as any other Hollywood production, e. g. the republic fighting the good fight against peoples that wish to be sovereign. Sounds like NWO to me.
If you are searching for alternative conditioning for your children I would recommend animation from Studio Gibli. You get all the dazzling details that suck you in, bright colors and imaginative animations, but with a meaningful and thought provoking storyline.
In all honesty, I'm still at a loss as to what purpose the illuminati symbolism serves. They keep projecting the same symbols over and over. Have they discovered that some images affect cognitive thinking, are the symbols used for secret communication, maybe using particular symbols repeatedly opens a portal to Cthulus dimension? Anyone?
Zari
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